Oceanfront property in Florida

[underpants]

Two views of southern Florida's topography in a shaded relief map. On the left is a standard view, with the green colors indicating low elevations, rising through yellow and tan, to white at the highest elevations. On the right, elevations below 16 feet above sea level have been colored dark blue, and lighter blue indicates elevations below 33 feet. (NASA/JPL-Caltech/Reuters)

Melting ice sheets could spur oceans' rise: study
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060323/sc_nm/environment_oceans_dc_1

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
Sunday February 22, 2004

World Bank, Pentagon: global warming red alert
Weather of mass destruction bigger threat than terrorism22 February 2004
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/world-bank-pentagon-warn-cli

The Pentagon Sounds The Alarm On Global Warming; Why Isn't President Bush Listening?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-13.htm

[annabanana]

1. Does anyone have a map

or a link for the rest of American with these parameters?

[mtnester]

4. Try here:

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/research/other/climate_change_and_sea_level/sea_level_rise/sea_level_rise.htm

However, if you proceed from there, I recommend a broadband connection (if even that will do...like all .shp based stuff, it takes FOREVER to load)

[AndyA]

2. I hope Ann Coulter doesn't get stuck with a home under water!

Or worse, stuck *IN* her home under water!

No doubt the government will just buy out the rich people who lost homes, so they can go elsewhere. If any of them still live in America, that is. Most will have likely relocated to their area of expansion - India, China, etc. After all, you have to be where your company is growing, right?

And that surely won't be in America if The Bush Crime Family™ is allowed to continue abusing Americans.

[MADem]

3. I always wanted to live right by the ocean

...but not this way!

[HereSince1628]

5. The 9th ward ain't worth saving, but please put up levies in Tampa!

Somehow I have the feeling that as the water rises the republican business leaders will beg for protection they would deny the 9th ward of New Orleans.

[soothsayer]

6. 100 million people globally live w/in 3 vertical feet of seal level

they say

[Wilber_Stool]

22. Years ago I remember reading that

85% of all the people on Earth live within 60 miles of a shore line, to include rivers and lakes. I have googled this over the months and have never been able to confirm it. It dose sound plausible.

[Solon]

30. Actually, that makes sense...

The first civilizations on the planet were founded in river valleys, where silt provided rich farmland and the rivers with easy access to fresh, drinkable, water. The Nile, Indus Valley, and Tigris/Euphrates systems were locations for some of the first civilizations on the planet. Being near an ocean means that you can easily trade with neighbors, ocean travel was the fastest for over 4 thousand year, and have easy access to food, fish most especially.

[Virginia Dare]

7. Question for anyone who feels like putting their tin-foil hat on...

Do you think that the powers-that-be actually know that there is nothing that can be done about this, and that's why you don't see a major effort to try and do something about the situation? In other words, do you see a "Katrina-like" response to global warming/climate change, sit on your ass, cross your fingers and hope for the best?

:tinfoilhat:

[raccoon]

17. Yes. Yes. nt

[Dr.Phool]

8. I can market my house as future oceanfront.

If memory serves me correctly, I think it was about the time in 2001, when shrub withdrew from Kyoto, that he said something along the lines of, we'd better start preparing to live with it.

[gasperc]

9. Looks like Disney World will need big huge walls

to protect their investment because Jeb and George are selling them down a river

[soup]

10. Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships

All together now--

And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be.

Atlantis - Donovan

[converted_democrat]

11. We own a piece of gulf front property just south of Cedar Key.. I watched

the reports last night, and we decided that the property is going up for sale on Monday.. We had wanted to build our dream home there.. (I want to get out from under it before it becomes unsaleable all togeather..) Florida is just getting to be too much. The hurricanes, while good for our business, are a real pain to deal with.. Our insurance is so expensive, and they changed the laws around to where it is harder to collect if you do have damage.. It's just too much to deal with..

[Loge23]

13. Hearing a lot of that lately...

I live and operate a business in FL as well. Many of my clients reside in toney sections of S.E. FL, including Palm Beach. It is in Palm Beach that I am hearing most of what you stated in your post.
One quote just yesterday:"We have houses in several states. Florida is the most difficult one to maintain a house in".
R.E. has gone flat and the exodus has begun.

[converted_democrat]

18. We used to have several rentals, and we flipped for awhile..

Many folks on this board don't like flippers, but I don't care.. I worked hard for the money, and we turned crap properties into decent places to live and work.. All we have now is a piece of commercial property right on 19 close to Tarpon Springs, our home, and the gulf front property.. The rental business just got to be out of control.. With the way the laws work, you basically have to rent to anyone that has the money, and if they have kids it can take 3 months or more to evict, plus the time it takes to get the property back in order.. The last 3 eviction notices we served the people outright trashed the homes.. I'm talking stealing the plumbing, the light fixtures, putting holes in the walls, and ripping the electric out of the walls, and cutting the wires back as far as they could.. That was just the damage that was caused by the tenants, mother nature gave us a run for our money too.. The only decent tenants we ever had were senior citizens.. I wouldn't mind getting back into the rental business in another state, but I'd never do it in FL again..

Are you thinking of leaving FL too? We can't figure out where we want to go.. We have been talking about Mexico if the 2006 elections go badly, but that's assuming that the dollar is still worth anything.. We have been talking about the midwest.. I want to end up with some tracks of property one way or another, because if oil goes through the roof due to the dollar losing value, (among other reasons) I think American grown meat and food is going to be a precious commodity.. (It will no longer be cost effective to import food like it is now, and right now America does not really produce enough food to feed itself.) Plus, I was raised on a farm, so I like the atmosphere.. Where are you hearing people are planning on going? I like New Mexico and Arizona, but I think there are going to be water issues there not too far down the line..) We want to leave FL, but we are having a hard time figuring out where we want to go..

[Loge23]

23. Where to go?

We looked at Arizona and that is still a possibility for us down the road.
I also like the idea of leaving the U.S. - Mexico, Costa Rica, and Panama are all on the list.
There are pros and cons for anyplace really. However, you will find literally thousands, if not millions, of American ex-pats in the three countries I listed.
Florida is definitely getting tough to handle. Rampant, uncontrolled growth one way until the new arrivals get their insurance and tax bill. It used to be a bargain of sorts to live here, but no longer..and that's if you can get insurance!
I see a major R.E. correction down the line for FL, particularly if we keep getting whacked with hurricanes each season. The supply, even now, is clearly outstripping the demand for new housing.

[alpizzy]

12. Stupid Question....

Will the Great Lakes be inundated with salt water?
I don't know how high they sit. Would sea levels rise
enough to kill our fresh water source? This isn't
my area so please excuse me if this is indeed a
stupid question.

[karlrschneider]

14. If I recall correctly, the Great lakes are from about 300 ft ASL

(Ontario) to somewhere around 750 (Superior).

[alpizzy]

15. Thank you! n/t

[PA Democrat]

16. Anyone know if bullshit floats?

If not, Rush may want to take swimming lessons. After endorsing the global warming deniers, he had better worry about his Palm Beach mansion.

[MadHound]

19. Well, this may or may not come about

As more and more ice melts, more and more fresh water enters the ocean, it is theorized that all of this fresh water with put a halt to the oceans' major currents. It is currents like the Gulf Stream that keep Europe warm. And if you halt one current, you halt all of them, since they are all interconnected. Stop the warm currents from circulating and a new Ice Age will appear, thus trapping a lot of water in ice again.

So perhaps the ocean levels won't rise as much as they are predicting. But either way, rising oceans or a new Ice Age, we're in for some really rough times ahead.

[400Years]

21. I read a good book called Late Victorian Holocausts and he spoke

about currents and weather pretty extensively.

Might be worth a look.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. One thing is certain, President Gore would NOT have labeled

Global warming as "junk science". Thanks again Supremes! :sarcasm: :grr:

[Stephanie]

24. This is the only issue that's going to matter in 2008

But it may be too late even then. We need Gore.

[hunter]

26. This is going to be the only issue for the rest of our lives.

It seems very likely that the drowning of entire cities is about to become a regular occurance.

[donsu]

28. kick - yes, the only issue for the rest of our lives

nt

[lpbk2713]

31. The RWers will spin it

to look like it was the fault of the city's founders.


For establishing a city too close to the waterline.


Even if the city had to be on a river or a harbor for commerce reasons.

[RedEarth]

25. Very interesting..... thanks

[Virginian]

27. So that light blue area will be swampland for a while

before it is submerged.
Prime real estate becomes swampland -- hmmm.
How much did you say you paid for that swampland?

Won't the mangrove trees keep some of it above water?

[PATRICK]

29. Our chosen port security company

link to my journal today for a post about Dubai creating a rich man's oasis by a super city of sand islands built off their coast. To see this is to be stunned, no comment on global warming needed. This is a Bush partner remember and reality means nothing to them. Just ambition.

[Nothing Without Hope]

32. S. La., Bangladesh & the Netherlands would also be gone. LINK & EXCERPT:

Scientific American has a report on a new study published in the front-line scientific journal Science. (I was able to open it without registration):

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=0007FA05-10BC-1423-90BC83414B7F0000
SCIENCE NEWS
March 24, 2006

Climate Model Predicts Greater Melting, Submerged Cities

Caption: Image: COURTESY OF JEREMY WEISS AND JONATHAN OVERPECK, THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA

Over the past 30 years, temperatures in the Arctic have been creeping up, rising half a degree Celsius with attendant increases in glacial melting and decreases in sea ice. Experts predict that at current levels of greenhouse gases--carbon dioxide alone is at 375 parts per million--the earth may warm by as much as five degrees Celsius, matching conditions roughly 130,000 years ago. Now a refined climate model is predicting, among other things, sea level rises of as much as 20 feet, according to research results published today in the journal Science.

Modeler Bette Otto-Bliesner of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder and paleoclimatologist Jonathan Overpeck of the University of Arizona matched results from the Community Climate System Model and climate records preserved in ice cores, exposed coral reefs, fossilized pollen and the chemical makeup of shells to determine the accuracy of the computer simulation. Roughly 130,000 the Arctic enjoyed higher levels of solar radiation, leading to increased warming in the summer and the retreat of glaciers worldwide. The model correctly predicted the extent of the resulting Arctic ice melt, enough to raise sea levels by roughly nine feet.

(snip)

But sea levels rose as much as 20 feet 130,000 years ago and Overpeck speculates that may have been the result of additional melting in Antarctica. After all, the ice there is not all landlocked; some rests in the ocean and a little warming in sea temperatures could melt it or pry it loose. And this time around, the warming is global, rather than concentrated in the Arctic. "In the Antarctic, all you have to do is break up the ice sheet and float it away and that would raise sea level," he says. "It's just like throwing a bunch of ice cubes into a full glass of water and watching the water spill over the top."

Such a sea level rise would permanently inundate low-lying lands like New Orleans, southern Florida, Bangladesh and the Netherlands. Already sea level rise has increased to an inch per decade, thanks to melting ice and warm water expansion, according to Overpeck. And evidence that the Arctic is exponentially warming continues to accumulate. Indeed, in another paper in the same issue of Science, Goran Ekstrom of Harvard University reported a marked increase in so-called glacial earthquakes (seismic events recorded throughout the world when Greenland's glaciers slip past rock) since 2002. In fact, last year alone saw twice as many quakes as in previous years, with most of that increase coming during the summer months.

(snip)

[skids]

33. Hrm. Any more recent stats?

I don't feel like waiting until 2010 to find out how much U.S. land BushCo has managed to lose
to the sea. Katrina/Rita took their toll, and apparently California recently lost a land area the
size of Rhode Island due to oil industry activities.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h986.html

[RobertSeattle]

34. Gee, wonder how Limbaugh's 50 Mil Mansion will fare?