Delta Force Founder: BUSH MAY HAVE STARTED WORLD WAR III!

[kpete]

Delta Force founder: Bush may have started World War III

RAW STORY
Published: Friday March 24, 2006

A founding member of the elite counter-terrorist unit, Delta Force, suggested that President Bush's invasion of Iraq may have started World War III, according to an interview set for Saturday's Los Angeles Daily News, RAW STORY has learned.

Retired Command Sergeant Major Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" became the basis for the CBS drama "The Unit," where he now assumes technical adviser and executive producer duties.

Excerpts from the forthcoming article written by David Kronke:

Q: What's your assessment of the war in Iraq?

A: Utter debacle. But it had to be from the very first. The reasons were wrong. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward.

We have fomented civil war in Iraq. We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis, and I think Bush may well have started the third world war, all for their own personal policies.

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[H2O Man]

1. Interesting.

None of my friends with military experience believe that this war is going well. None think that Mr. Rumsfeld has shown a respect for the military.

[FloridaPat]

2. My comment the day of the invasion is that we are seeing the last war

of the Crusades. And with the coalition, that would equal a world war. So would the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq the first time.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. I am still hopeful

that humanity will prove the PNACers wrong, because via peaceful means of resistance is the only way we can win this thing.

[AuntiBush]

11. Same Here

Sadly so... Been saying in since day one: "This is going to head us straight into a world war like no other."

[CrownPrinceBandar]

3. I remember the warnings before the invasion.....

an American invasion of Iraq would further decline an already degrading, volatile situation in the ME and W. Asia. For a bit of oil and political capital, this administration has created a self-fueling wildfire that is set to engulf all the world.

Its too bad this warning will be dismissed as liberal propaganda.

[cantstandbush]

4. How long before the swiftboaters come out agianst him...or are they

afraid of taking on a Delta Force member?

[hobbit709]

5. Swiftboating him

may be the dumbest in a line of dumb moves by that crowd.

[Roland99]

7. Dang liberal cowards always dissin' our military and our President

Oh wait.....

[LiberalinNC]

8. I have felt this since the beginning, the idiots in the wh have no idea

what they have done or what they are doing!!! I don't think they will they ever realize what they have done is/was wrong, seeing that this is "no mistakes" administration!

[Ufomammut]

15. Given the staggering degree of planning, precision, funding, technology...

And so forth, don't kid yourself: the planners of what's happening have had some very definitive, calculated ideas in the works since long before they orchestrated this phase of their plan by staging 9/11 as the needed justification. Way too much riding on all of this for them to do it willy-nilly like, which is all part of the show - get you to believe they're bumbling incompetents while in reality, they're just evil fuckers.

[teryang]

9. It's a stepping stone to world war but not necessarily

...a line has been drawn at Iran. If the American elites or their Israeli proxies decide to attack Iran, then I think the road to WWIII will be difficult to step back from.

At present short of an attack on Iran, we are losing our power, influence, status, prestige, and capital, not to mention lives. We are going bankrupt. Russia and China can just stand by and watch us bleed out.

However, if conquest of Iran is attempted the vital interests of Russia and China are at stake. This is why they are stalling the American offensive. The longer they put it off diplomatically, the weaker the current American regime becomes. Nonetheless, some desperate ploy by the bushistas could precipitate the expansion of a huge war in Asia. It seems as if bushista interests anticipate this as they have bought off India with nuclear power and god knows what other promises. Indian conduct of foreign affairs has been stupid in my opinion. I think they have little idea of how weak our administrations position is.

[BlueEyedSon]

10. The Cold War = WW3, The resource wars = WW4

IMHO

[bridgit]

12. that sounds right...

x( but right

[AuntiBush]

13. Chilling

But if ones been paying even half-attention, well, what you say is probably correct.

How do the congress members go on about their lives, partying, raising money for the 2006/2008 elections like all is hunky-dooie? That's what I can not figure out.

Watch any station. Each commercial is buy, buy, buy another new truck, SUV, big car - whatever, like there is "no tomorrow."

One gets the feeling we're so over-owned by China, Japan and Germany (and Gawd known who else) we're the ones being economically hit upon and the Bushivitzs are making sure they won't be on the loosing stick when its all said and done.

Will middle-america wake-up in time? Where I sit I just don't know.

[lonestarnot]

14. He may very well have started WWIII.

[RBHam]

16. Who's to say World War wasn't the goal?

In stark terms, for a very few lucky insiders...

War Pays.

Very well.

Ike was right.

[Toots]

17. War Profiteering should be a crime

It is how the Bush*'s came to their money and power. They thrive on blood money. They are even worse than the Mafia but I am beginning to think Amerika deserves just what they get. I am a believer in Karma and the USA has a lot of Karma that is coming due. Slavery, killing off of the American Natives, destroying the environment for wealth. Bush* and his Cabal are America's Karma and I am not sure that even if an all Democratic Congress is elected this year and a Democratic President in 2008 America can be saved. It may be too late..

[RedEarth]

18. That might be george's plan.... WW III would hasten the second coming

[ChairmanAgnostic]

24. we know he came once. He had the twins.

But as for the second coming, he continues to throw out hints to his religious base along those lines - and they love it.

Too bad they will be sorely disappointed. And it is far worse that they are destroying our econony, our education system, our ecology and our self-respect in the process.

[leveymg]

19. Latest in a growing wave of public discontent by U.S. military

leaders and rank-and-file troops with Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld. Founding member of the Delta Force's criticism follows an emerging consensus within the American armed forces opposing the Administration's Iraq and torture policies:

* Stars&Stripes, 3/17/06, several highly critical LTTEs including letter asserting right of enlisted to criticize the CIC. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x750046; http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=35783

* Reuters, 3/14/06, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff contradicts Rumsfeld on Iranian responsibility for Iraq explosive devices. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-03-14T194139Z_01_N14358184_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-IRAN.xml

* Stars&Stripes. 3/1/06, poll of troops on the ground in Iraq show 72% favor complete pullout within one year. http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=34538&archive=true

* Joint Chiefs of Staff award prize to essay criticizing abuse of prisoners at GITMO and deviations from Geneva Conventions under current policy. Joint Forces Quarterly, Issue 39, Spring, 2006. http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pages/editions/i39/i39_essaywin_03.pdf; http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/22/113634/029

* AP, 11/30/2005, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff contradicts Cheney in duty of US personnel to intervene and stop prisoner abuse. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/30/91042/028;
By WILLIAM C. MANN
The Associated Press
Wednesday, November 30, 2005; 3:19 AM

WASHINGTON -- The nation's top military man, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, said American troops in Iraq have a duty to intercede and stop abuse of prisoners by Iraqi security personnel.

When Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld contradicted Pace, the general stood firm.

Rumsfeld told the general he believed Pace meant to say the U.S. soldiers had to report the abuse, not stop it.

Pace stuck to his original statement.

"If they are physically present when inhumane treatment is taking place, sir, they have an obligation to try to stop it," Pace told his civilian boss.

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I believe that the above reports buttress the argument that has been made that the Pentagon brass are ill-disposed to any preemptive military strike against Iran, and have been actively resisting pressure for such moves from civilian Defense officials and the neocons in the Administration. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/17/172417/205

The U.S. Military Will Not Go to War With Iran for Bush
by leveymg
Fri Mar 17, 2006 at 03:24:17 PM PDT
Don't fight wars you can't win.

That's the bitter lesson of Vietnam; it was the mantra of the U.S. military until the Bush Administration took power and changed it to, "Attack first, plan later". The old doctrine was codified as the so-called Powell Doctrine, which is back in vogue at the Pentagon after its most recent demonstration in Iraq.

In just five years, the unthinkable has become real. That includes both the threat of a nuclear war in the Persian Gulf or that a sort of legal coup might overthrow this Administration.

The fact is, Bush-Cheney screwed the military so badly in Iraq, that the Pentagon brass, along with the CIA, decided in 2004 to bump the Admininistration rather than being dragged into a far more disasterous adventure in Iran. The Joint Chiefs of Staff joined the CIA in referring the Plame case and the Larry Franklin OSP-AIPAC spy case to the Justice Dept., effectively crippling neocon ambitions for "regime change" in Tehran.

The war drums we hear now are part of large disinformation campaign intended to keep Iran off balance while we withdraw from Iraq.

MORE . . .

[EVDebs]

20. The Powell Doctrine, as shown on a PBS weblink

"Essentially, the Doctrine expresses that military action should be used only as a last resort and only if there is a clear risk to national security by the intended target; the force, when used, should be overwhelming and disproportionate to the force used by the enemy; there must be strong support for the campaign by the general public; and there must be a clear exit strategy from the conflict in which the military is engaged."

MILITARY STRATEGY: POWELL DOCTRINE
Background, Application and Critical Analysis
By Doug DuBrin, an English/History teacher and editor/ writer.

This article outlines the 1991 'Powell Doctrine', which Powell himself inadvertently disowned in order to do his UN deceptions for the administration rather than uphold his oath to the Constitution and legitimately preserve protect and defend the Constitution. Powell chose to protect Bush first.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powelldoctrine_short.html

[unblock]

21. shrub already declared war against the world

the declaration that we can and will attack any nation that shrub decides aided or harbored terrorists amounts to a declaration of war against anyone and everyone he wants to.

the fact that we've already invaded 2 nations in response to one single crime (a huge crime, but not an act of war), shows that it's ALREADY a world war, especially given that iraq had nothing to do with the original crime.

[Rocknrule]

23. Sad thing is

when Idiot Son was first "elected" I always joked about how he would declare war against the whole world because he was such an idiot, but I never thought he would actually DO it. I guess I was a prophet.

[tomp]

22. why let franks off the hook?

the guy should have resigned before the war.

[TacticalPeek]

25. "The Unit" on CBS ain't bad.

:kick:

[LizW]

27. My favorite actor is in it.

Robert Patrick plays the Colonel in that show. Robert comes from a military family and is mega-patriotic. He's also a Democrat. He went to Washington to attend Bill Clinton's first inauguration, and says he had a blast. He played the evil liquid-metal terminator in Terminator 2, and in an interview he was asked what event he would change if he could go back in time. He said he would change the outcome of the 2000 presidential election.

:loveya:

[deminks]

26. Q: What do you make of the torture debate? Cheney ...

Q: What do you make of the torture debate? Cheney ...

A: (Interrupting) That's Cheney's pursuit. The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It's about vengeance, it's about revenge, or it's about cover-up. You don't gain intelligence that way. Everyone in the world knows that. It's worse than small-minded, and look what it does

I asked here in a post not too long ago who in this administration had a jones for torture. I think it was concerning a statement that the torture continues to this day. Now, I may have found the answer.

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Wow!

[upi402]

29. Who is HE to tell a chickenhawk about war? n/t

[sofa king]

30. Yeah, it's a war for oil, but what about the others who want to steal it?

China and India are all going to be facing dramatically increased oil demands, and the U.S. and Britain have just stolen the some of the largest and cheapest to extract of the world's reserves.

Soon, if it hasn't happened already, demand is going to start outstripping production, and I have a hunch the Republican party doesn't want to share with godless or wrong-godded people. That's going to be plenty of justification for a world war, and by stealing it first we've automatically made ourselves the bad guys. But the bad guys are the ones most likely to survive.

One way or the other, very few of the six billion of us alive today are going to be alive at the end of this century. But if two out of three of them die right now or very soon, the oil economy might live another hundred years, and the people who own and control the oil economy now will still control the oil economy then. Recently, those same people have gained total control the most powerful and deadly war machine the world has ever seen.

For years now I have been amazed at the string of similarities between the modern GOP and Hitler's Nazi Party. There has and always will be one glaring difference: the Nazis plotted and carried out the murder of nine million people.

I used to think that the difference between the GOP and the Nazis was that one was planning to murder millions of people and one wasn't. Now I'm starting to think the difference is that one was planning a series of murders in the millions, and the other is planning a series of murders in the billions.

Just like the Germans looted and exploited their perceived social inferiors before murdering them, the GOP is looting and exploiting us. What's the point of drilling in ANWR if it only has enough oil to satisfy current consumption for six months? If two hundred million Americans are dead, suddenly that supply is a lot more valuable and worthy of exploitation. If the Social Security savings of two hundred million soon-to-be-dead Americans were privatized, that money could be put to use before they die, rather than just sitting in a fund which is going to become irrelevant when there's nobody to collect. What's the point of saving the environment now if soon environmental pressure as a whole is going to be reduced by two thirds? What supports the unholy union between brilliant greedy fascists and ignorant drooling Bible thumpers?

Maybe the preachers are being told that the end of the world is nigh.