The Washington Post has a front-page article on Impeachment today.

[kpete]

Near Paul Revere Country, Anti-Bush Cries Get Louder

By Michael Powell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 25, 2006; Page A01

HOLYOKE, Mass. -- To drive through the mill towns and curling country roads here is to journey into New England's impeachment belt. Three of this state's 10 House members have called for the investigation and possible impeachment of President Bush.

Thirty miles north, residents in four Vermont villages voted earlier this month at annual town meetings to buy more rock salt, approve school budgets, and impeach the president for lying about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and for sanctioning torture.

Window cleaner Ira Clemons put down his squeegee in the lobby of a city mall and stroked his goatee as he considered the question: Would you support your congressman's call to impeach Bush? His smile grew until it looked like a three-quarters moon.

"Why not? The man's been lying from Jump Street on the war in Iraq," Clemons said. "Bush says there were weapons of mass destruction, but there wasn't. Says we had enough soldiers, but we didn't. Says it's not a civil war -- but it is." He added: "I was really upset about 9/11 -- so don't lie to me."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032402248.html


MSNBC has the same article with a different headline and sub heading.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12003304


via:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/25/8405/95176

[bryant69]

1. People are talking about it

that's certainly better than pretending Bush is doing great for us all.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[sweetheart]

2. He should resign

I think everyone in the whole country besides the mullahs and the devout republican doners,
realizes that he is grossly incompetent for the job, and has always been so, for all the
grandstanding, what we now see as out-of-touch mismanagement. His people should whisper to
him to fall on his sword and spare the repukes a long painful farewell.

The republicans should take him down to avoid blackening their party's reputation
with toleration of incompetence... seems their style, and i'm not for impeachement
any longer. Bush is doing a better job for the dems in-power than out. This
mal-administration is now a free advertizing gift for the dems in the next 2 polls
as the lame ducks fat government slop leaks over the top of the rubber boots of
the stanunches republican supporters.

As an american patriot, of course i'm for impeachment, but not just of bush, the
entire government, all of them, not missing a one. They have disgraced us all, and
human justice should simply step in and they should go away and retire so that
the republican party can get back to its roots. Bug alas, they stay as billboards
for democratic candidates across the country... glory be!

[Ian David]

8. It's not incompetence. It's sabotage

Bush's "failures" are calculated to drive us to The Apocalypse because he thinks he is fulfilling Biblical End-Time Prophesy.

[Dr. Jones]

10. Actually I'm not sure about that.

I am of the opinion that he's not even a Christian, but faking it. And this talk of Armageddon and Bush saying he's been "chosen of God" to rule right now, it all plays into the fear factor that the Apocalypse is near. Thus people will be more apt to be fearful and easily manipulated.

[glitch]

19. Anything for profit.

Not that his weak mind doesn't buy into his own personal passion play though.

[fooj]

30. You are spot on...

He's anything BUT a Christian.

Peace.

[sweetheart]

13. christianity that facile

Is not devout or fanatical. It is lunacy, fantastic stories and we're to
believe the entire government moves to this pantheistic horsepuckey.

I don't believe bush is a religious man at all.
He's a man who exploits the tragedy of others for profit, and that has
been the story of him since day 1, and will be forever more.
There are no religious people behind that aggressive war, behind that
roman fervor of the angry crowd; bush is entirely secular, selfish,
greedy, and fastidiously ignorant. He has proven time and again, a
gullible killer, and his grave will aways be remembered for the
hundred thousand he killed in his great leap forward.

Perhaps a photoshoper can re-make the mao poster of olde with
bush's image... he's a maoist at heart that old turk. :-)

/no seriously, when a bank is being robbed, does anyone seriously
call the bank robbers "the current government"? .. hardly. You
wait for the robbers to leave or screw up, and arrest their
tukus's... levenworth. But as long as the bank robbers stand
in the bank, since the coup 2000, their claim to represent anything
but their thugs is increasinlgy thin.

[Canuckistanian]

36. Here's a few....

[WolverineDG]

53. Nah, he dodged the Armageddon question

when posed to him last week. It was almost like he was holding back an "I think all you fundies are nuts, but I need your $ & your votes."

dg

[KharmaTrain]

3. Careful...The Is A Strawman Game

The other day Ken "doll" Mehlmann drew the direct line from censure to impeachement to scare the Repugnican base...and it could work!

He's playing on the sod Rove has spread since day one with this regime that an attack on anything to do with this "administration" is a personal attack on boosh. While Repugnicans were stupid for trying to impeach Clinton as the inquisition resulted in them losing seat in that election, Rove sure saw one important lesson...the majority have little appetite for impeachment, and if anything will rally around their manchild if this image is raised. Thus it is.

Censure is not impeachment. But listening to the Repugnicans, they've already jumped into circle the wagons mode and attemtping to distort the issue by claiming this isn't about FISA or anything imbedded in the Constitution (such as the 4th ammendment), but strictly a personal attack on booosh...the one thing the fundies and the wingnuts can wrap their bird brains around.

Surely Rove knows there's gonna be more bad news coming ahead and the gameplan appears to be to scare the shit out of the base with a combination of terror and impeachment/censure. They're planning a truly Orwellian campaign...denying realities wherever they can, manufacturing their own "truths" and issues to divert attention away from real scandals and using the corporate media (like the Washington "Box Turtle Ben" Post) as a conduit.

Yes, this regime must be held accountable and Senator Feingold's resolution should and must be passed. But the game here isn't to destroy the regime, it's to bloody it further. It's been dying a death by one thousand cuts and continues to implode...we need not scream for anything more than accountability at this point. Justice will come in time and if it's not in a court of law in history.

[sweetheart]

4. it always is

Bush's apologist, the blair poodle, recently explained that "benign neglect"
was no alternative to invading iraq. This strawman "benign neglect" is "our"
theoretical firing solution for the saddam issue prior to the bush blitzkrieg.

So what *we* stand for is benign neglect, is that so? I think blair does not
understand the arm-twisting power of pacifism, being a man of war, makes his
arguments in war, positing surreal straw men that should be on exhibit at the met,
rather than used to excuse war crimes in public.

[sendero]

7. Let 'em..

... Americans are pretty ignorant but they are not so ignorant they don't know the difference between a trumped up bullshit charge of lying about a blow job compared to lying that led to the death of 2500 of our soldiers, 50,000 Iraqi civilians and probably $500 billion dollars, most of it absolutely wasted.

The idea that an impeachment is going to rally Americans into a sympathy state I just don't buy.

Except for his hard core base, which will remain fairly constant because they are not reality-based anyway, Bush is now a pariah in this country. A pariah. He is not going to be rehabilitated that (impreachment) easily.

[KharmaTrain]

12. I Wish That Were The Case...Too Many Sheeple

This regime has polarized the country that there is no real "majority"...it shifts based on who manipulates it...from Karl Rove to Roger Ailes to Les Moonves to any one else with access to a megaphone and a lot of cash. There's 30% that will truly accept booosh killing a baby on live TV and then saying it was in "national defense". There's also 30% of us who are minimalized...outside...shut out (and most are too busy fighting with themselves while others are running from the fights...Democrats have done a marvelous job lately forming their own circular firing squads)...what we say or think, no matter how based in reality and truth it is...no matter how right we are...will not be listen to. If anything, the fact we are so right and can (and do) rub it in their faces makes it harder to get a fair hearing. The corporate media is loathe to admit it was the conduit of the misinformation...it'll only turn on this regime when it sees it in its own political and economic interests. That isn't going to happen any time soon, so those messages to scare people in the GOOP base will go out uncontested and Democrats will constantly be put on the defensive to defend them not beating their mates.

The big goal of the Repugnican machine is to detach as many from the political system as possible. They know they can only win by polarizing and playing minorities off against one another (it's their concept of blue and red states, not ours). If they're not a minority, they create the illusion they are...or being "persecuted" by Democrats. The game here is to make so much noise as to make the 5 or 10% in "the middle"...the ones who care more about their NCAA brackets and American Idol magazines than want to deal with "ugly politics". Rove hopes these people...even if they're pissed...will be so tired of all the hot air and rhetoric, they'll say a pox on both houses and not vote at all...enhancing GOOP chances through lower turn-out this fall. What else can they run on...surely not their "record".

Cheers...

[sendero]

33. I hope we get the opportunity...

... to find out. It looks like the "they'll impeach" is the rallying cry for 2006. Why? Maybe they've polled it and think it will play or maybe, just maybe it is because it is ALL THEY'VE GOT LEFT.

In any event, here's something to ponder. Sometimes (people, politicians) should do something because it is the right thing to do, not for the expectation of some kind of "gain". Impeaching George Bush IS the right thing to do, he HAS ABSOLUTELY commited crimes against the constitution, and no amount of political handwringing is going to change that.

[TankLV]

46. "Circular Firing Squad" - utter and complete BULLSHIT!

I am sooooo SICK of that STRAWMAN argument label and the people who constantly use it.

But it's OKIE dokie for YOU all to DO it - like you did in that post - to everybody else who doesn't put up with this bullshit.

We can't complain about YOU, but YOU can camplain about US?

Riiiiiight.

[tomp]

27. underestimate the stupidity of the american people...

...at your peril.

[glitch]

21. I hope you are right, which could be why our big players, our smart ones

are going for the apparatus behind him.

At least, I hope that's what they are doing.

[electropop]

24. That was then. This is now.

Yes, in the Clinton era the majority had little appetite for impeachment because Clinton was doing a good job and the public liked him by overwhelming numbers.

Bush is despised by over 60% of the nation now. Those who like him are in the minority, and their feelings are growing tepid and weak.

The day of judgment is coming.

[bleever]

31. I agree. If Rove thinks impeachment is a winning issue for them,

I say: Bring it on.


:)

[KharmaTrain]

32. Let Judgement Take It's Course...It Will

Priorities now are to remove Repugnicans from the levers of power...to diminish the ability of this regime to rubber stamp the fleecing of national treasure in materials and flesh. It's to put the breaks to a runaway train that has been building steam over the past decade and now not only has careened off the tracks but is crashing down the mountainsides...the job isn't to go after the engineer or the train designer...it's to stop the train before it does more damage.

Yes, polls show a majority of people don't approve of this regime and aren't in favor of many of its "policies", but that's still not the same thing as equating it with "hatred". If anything, those rising disaproval numbers show a rising amount of apathy among booosh's base...his own hive busy fighting against itself and while one may disaprove of how this regime mishandles Iraq, they still may be 200% on board about gay marriage or abortion or some other issue that has drawn them into the GOOP coven. Keep 'em fighting and keep them home in November...give 'em a reason to unite and watch that "disaproval rating" turn into yet another false signal read wrong by Democrats.

The image of boosh isn't that of a Nixon...one of a sinister, evil tyrant (that's reserved for Chenney)...it's of an oaf, a simpleton, a fool...stupid but not criminal...a moron yet not capable of being directly responsible for things that are going on during his watch. That's why going after booosh alone is a losing strategy...it should only serve as a back-up in conjunction with any of the myriad of Repugnican scandals that have occured over the years. Every Democratic candidate should be able to find one or two issues and/or votes by their opponent that will tie them into a very unpopular local issue and this is the ticket back to a majority in the House.

Yes, Booosh needs to be held accountable and my hopes are someday we'll see a tribunal in the Hague that will finally get to the bottom of this great trangression of humanity. Sadly the American system and public aren't capable of handling this task and the international community stands by as they watch this regime self-destruct. One day the bill for this regime's profiteering and bloodlust will come due, but in the meantime, the immediate job is to turn back a tide of lies and deceptions and to showcase Democrat strengths...not expect to win due to hating boosh.

Peace...

[Mr_Scarecrow]

58. Right on Kharma Train

I think we sometimes forget that the right-wingers who are unhappy with Bush are not magically enamored of Dems. A lot of former Bush supporters want someone who is MORE right-wing. It's kinda like when Clinton pushed NAFTA. Many lefties hated it but it certainly didn't make us want a Republican in office.

[hobbit709]

40. Clinton's impeachment had little to do

with him doing a good job or not. Like Andrew Johnson's impeachment after the Civil War it had more to do with party ideology than anything based on reality. The GOP has become a party of fanatical ideologists that no longer owe allegiance to the Constitution over their own power.

[TankLV]

49. I believe that statement is more closer to the realilty today.

The whole problem with the DEMOCRATS today (oh, no - "circular firing squad"!) is that they are TOO goddamned worried about WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL THINK instead of DOING WHAT IS "RIGHT", the public opinion or lack of opinion be damned!

They are too afraid of LOSING istead of DOING WHAT IS "RIGHT"!

That is my/our main objection to OUR "leadership" today - no GUTS, no PRINCIPALS - EVEN WHEN THE GODDAMNED COUNTRY IS OVERWHELMINGLY BEHIND THEM!

They are afraid of "losing" some IMAGINARY VOTER WHO NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE for doing something that is "right".

The repukes are NEVER afraid of doing what they desire, even if it is always selfish, wrong, and AGAINST what the overwhelming majority of the country wants! They have proved this time and again, and HAVE SUCCEDED BEYOND THEIR WILDIST CORRUPT DREAMS!

It is time the Democrats get on the same game plan - we only have TRUTH and JUSTICE on our side to back us up!

[peacetalksforall]

5. Impeach or vote him/them out? Either way, the team who have designed

and are carrying out his/their agenda live on. The team who dream up and carry out their agenda - against us. While we have been living in the reality they created for us - a reality based on patriotism, assumed superiority, and sacrifices of many forms - they carried off a strategy of war, monetary prison for many people in the world, in particular, Latin America, a few wars, secret sub-governments, a full on assault against the Constitution, and their own ultimate agenda - to own the earth's resources, inoculate themselves against legislation, and have absolute control over us - for the benefit of their own and their directors - a band of barons.

So we impeach Bush and what do we have? The same stuff, the same people who have been dealing in stealth from that day in 1963 and before. The same people who are determined to create cartels and a war machine to do it. The war machine that is directed against us and all our parallel counterparts in the rest of the world.

Voting and removing him/them from office will delay them, but they never go away - because we haven't known and accepted the reality of what their real agenda is. Theirs is a century of successes. They can no longer operate on their sub-government level as easily, but they are still dominant in their corporate and foundation roles - only they play with the money and lives of our existence.

Impeachment, a vulnerable vote, and the threat of martial law and everything that goes with it are nothing if people continue to believe in 'their' reality and don't wash and replace the 'reality' they have created for us. Waking up is the best deterrent - and waking others.

Some say that we can't impeach this year because of the reality of the numbers in the House and Senate. But, these same people might also believe that the voting machines that they manufactured for us, sold to us, and manipulate for us will work for us.

[glitch]

22. Beautiful.

"Some say that we can't impeach this year because of the reality of the numbers in the House and Senate. But, these same people might also believe that the voting machines that they manufactured for us, sold to us, and manipulate for us will work for us."

[CJCRANE]

44. Impeachment for "incompetence"

would be a lucky escape for Bushco but probably the most that the political will/MSM consensus would allow to happen.

[paul_fromatlanta]

6. This congress will never impeach

The only way an impeachment will happen is if Democrats retake congress by running other issues and then start impeachment hearings.

[Dr. Jones]

9. K&R:

EXCELLENT!!

[goclark]

11. Keep that word out there every day

We need an Underground INFORM Campaign with flyers that we can leave in shopping carts, movies, benches, everywhere that says...

IMPEACH!

Here are the reasons why etc. etc. etc.


Can some one make us a hand size flyer?


The more the public sees the IMPEACH word the better it will become.

[EFerrari]

14. You might check out www.votetoimpeach . org

This is how we get it done. :)

[JDPriestly]

15. Let tyrants shake their iron rods -- old-time hymn

Let tyrants shake their iron rods,
And slavery clank her galling chains:
We see them not; we trust in God:
New England’s God forever reigns.

[EVDebs]

16. Leaving Bush in office reinforces the 'Permanent Bases' in Iraq

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2523882

The permanent bases are what the Quaker's website got them into trouble with the NSA for in the first place

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

The move to Impeach must proceed prior to '08. And Cheney must be a part of the investigation too. De facto, they've 'handcuffed' themselves already. De jure they will be investigated and the truth will come out about Iraq one way or another. Better to speed the process, but R's will put the obvious up for full view during the '06 elections, exposing everthing they've done wrong. D's couldn't ask for this on a platter any better.

[Rose Siding]

17. Mr Clemons, you're a poet

:)

[oasis]

37. Bush "has been lying from jump street". I'll buy that. (eom)

[radfringe]

18. from bush*'s recent statement

about "future presidents" having to clean up his mess...

I say - then "why wait till '08? Impeach today!

(HEY THAT COULD BE A GREAT BUMPER STICKER!!!!)

a bit off topic - but regarding his latest attack on the media -- "Iraq is making progress, don't see it because of the media..."yaddayaddayadda

ok - then declare victory and bring the troops home if things are fine and dandy

[earth mom]

20. K & R nt

[Joey Liberal]

23. Bush is the anti-Christ n.t

[tomp]

28. i'm inclined to agree. nt

[Uncle Joe]

25. Kicked and recommended.

:kick:

[berni_mccoy]

26. K&R!

[rodeodance]

39. k

[JudyM]

29. * and Dick both need to be impeached. n/t

[sunnystarr]

34. Exactly ... do you really want Cheney?

Be careful what we wish for... unless we can impeach this whole administration we could be worse off. Instead of signing impeachment petitions we should be signing petitions to every Repug in Congress and demand they do their job to stop this dictatorship. Work to get Dems in so we can get control Congress. As far as I'm concerned it's the only hope we have.

[Usrename]

35. to the Hague - he has no strategic intelligence value

For the rest of them, heads on pikes!!!

[Trevelyan]

43. I think the PTB (powers that be) have taken over the hague.

There is some interesting discussion of the timing and suspicious details of the Milosevic death, just before Clinton was to be forced to testify and answer Milosecic questions on Rigorous Intuition blogspot and http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition

I have wondered why the powerful people behind the world criminal court were not going after the in-your-face bush junior torture. i read that bush, senior as well as kissenger are on a world criminal court most wanted lists for their genocide and torture in Central and South America and Vietnam.

[Usrename]

55. Agreed, so then put him in stocks for 4 days in New Orleans.

Heads on pikes!!!

[The Wielding Truth]

38. He did not fulfill his oath of office. He has no respect for the American

people or it's constitution. He has run a corrupt and embezzling administration. He and his followers have dismantled and plan to resend many cherished hard fought rights.

He should not be permitted to mismanage the United States of America.

[CJCRANE]

45. True.

This may be the year that we find out if * is bigger than the USA, or if the country can stand up to him.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

41. Like any real American cares what New England thinks...

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:, of course, but you know that's the way they'll spin it.

[Trevelyan]

42. FRONT PAGE!!! The WaPo is either gaining courage or is jumping on bandwago

[Senator]

47. The Truth has a force of its own - but keep pushing!

This could even reach "arab ports" levels. (yes, really)

He could be gone before the midterms.

If you were them, wouldn't you want at least a decent chance of keeping control of congress, with a Pres. Hastert, as opposed to losing it all and seeing a Pres. Pelosi?

These thugs live and breathe paranoia. And the eat their young.

---

[Trevelyan]

48. Current CNN poll on 911 cover-up -- Will wonders never cease!!

Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks?

Yes 84% 38649 votes

No 16% 7314 vote

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/--QUICKVOTE

[BadgerKid]

50. Thanks. Fixed link too

That link should be http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/

Yes 84% 39009 votes
No 16% 7363 votes
Total: 46372 votes

[thereismore]

51. Problem: too many impeachable offenses.

Dems can't seem to agree on one. War? Spying? Incompetence?

[Usrename]

57. Pulling first responders from NOLA for his photo ops

It is difficult to imagine a more hideous abuse of power..

[gimama]

59. go cruise the Gulf Coast

and his abuse of power,WAR on AMERICANS,IN AMERICA,is evident.
I just returned from Vets'Gulf March,from Mobile to NOLA,NOTHING has been done,MILLIONS spent somewhere(?)& in 7 months,not a dang thing has been done..except TRAUMATISING OUR PEOPLE,& plans for LAND-GRABS. Folks, what I saw for MYSELF,is a CRIME against the AMERICAN PEOPLE,on OUR Land.
www.vetgulfmarch.org
www.bringthemHOMEnow.org

[The Wizard]

52. Presidential Malpractice

It's obvious to the casual observer and anyone who grew up believing the the American justice system that the continuous lying and ineptitude coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is grounds for a new category of offenses: Presidential Malpractice. A lying buffoon by any other name is still a lying buffoon. We now have two convicted drunk drivers steering the ship of state. Head spins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Up2Late]

54. "...journey into New England's impeachment belt..."

I like that! :evilgrin:

[0007]

56. bttft