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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:45 PM
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"I am sure not going to sit back and have Feingold spout off." - Specter


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/25/politics/25censure.html?ex=1300942800&en=c8077a1aa0634ef8&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

March 25, 2006

Senator Sets Hearing on Censure of Bush
By THE NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON, March 24 — The Senate Judiciary Committee has set a hearing for next Friday on the call by Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, to censure President Bush for his approval of a program to allow electronic eavesdropping without warrants.

Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who is chairman of the panel, said he had decided to schedule the session after Mr. Feingold, in a television interview, pressed for hearings on the censure proposal.
........

Mr. Specter said his intent was not to use the session as a political forum but to explore issues surrounding the proposed censure. He said he believed the proposal was baseless.

"I am prepared to deal with it," Mr. Specter said. "I am sure not going to sit back and have Feingold spout off."........

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Given the upcoming Senate hearing (Specter, Chair)---on the the resolution, our CongressCritters NEED to hear from us!--both Dem and Repug.
*Also below is a list of Intel Committe Members--hit em!

** Also please email C-span to
Suggest Events: Submit a public event that you think C-SPAN should cover - events@c-span.org


http://topplebush.com /

SUPPORT FEINGOLD'S RESOLUTION CENSURING BUSH: Call your two Senators today and tell them to support Sen. Russ Feingold's resolution censuring Bush for authorizing NSA to illegally spy on Americans and for lying to both Congress and the American people about this illegal program.

http://contactcongress.blogspot.com /

TOLL FREE SWITCHBOARD (ask for Senator by name)
888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641

For detailed fax and local office info, click the appropriate state on the right.(ALL the numbers you need for Senators are listed--just a click away :-).

AND:

http://topplebush.com /

SEND AN EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS NOW! Tell them that legalizing ongoing executive branch lawbreaking allowing Bush to spy on Americans is not what the Founding Fathers meant by checks and balances. Sign PFAW's petition now!

http://actions.pfaw.org/siteapps/advocacy/index.aspx?c=...
Don't Let Congress Fail America
Take Action On This Issue

The GOP controlled Congress appears ready to abandon any investigation into possible violations of law by the executive branch, with regard to the NSA’s warrantless eavesdropping on U.S. citizens. Worse, it is now planning to pass legislation that rubber stamps that eavesdropping!

Send a message now:
Take Action
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Review the Message......

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http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm

Arlen Specter - CHAIRMAN, PENNSYLVANIA

Orrin G. Hatch UTAH

Patrick J. Leahy - RANKING DEMOCRATIC MEMBER, VERMONT

Charles E. Grassley - IOWA

Edward M. Kennedy - MASSACHUSETTS

Jon Kyl - ARIZONA

Joseph R. Biden, Jr. - DELAWARE

Mike DeWine - OHIO

Herbert Kohl - WISCONSIN

Jeff Sessions - ALABAMA

Dianne Feinstein - CALIFORNIA

Lindsey Graham - SOUTH CAROLINA

Russell D. Feingold - WISCONSIN

John Cornyn - TEXAS

Charles E. Schumer - NEW YORK

Sam Brownback - KANSAS

Richard J. Durbin - ILLINOIS

Tom Coburn - OKLAHOMA
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http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/06/03/2...

Remarks of Senator Russ Feingold
Introducing a Resolution to Censure President George W. Bush
As Prepared

March 13, 2006

Mr. President, when the President of the United States breaks the law, he must be held accountable. That is why today I am introducing a resolution to censure President George W. Bush.

The President authorized an illegal program to spy on American citizens on American soil, and then misled Congress and the public about the existence and legality of that program. It is up to this body to reaffirm the rule of law by condemning the President’s actions.

All of us in this body took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and bear true allegiance to the same. Fulfilling that oath requires us to speak clearly and forcefully when the President violates the law. This resolution allows us to send a clear message that the President’s conduct was wrong.

And we must do that. The President’s actions demand a formal judgment from Congress..........


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:46 PM
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1. thanks Arlen!
:patriot:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Seriously man
At least he's TRYING to come to a reasonable conclusion about all this rather than dismissin git as a "political stunt"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Specter is ticked off--First Russ walks off Senate floor, then he challeng
es Specter on national TV
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. When did Russ challenge him?
I missed it...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:05 PM
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46. Feingold "stressed for hearings on the censure proposal" on TV interview
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 10:43 PM by rodeodance
from nytimes in IP:
Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who is chairman of the panel, said he had decided to schedule the session after Mr. Feingold, in a television interview, pressed for hearings on the censure proposal.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. I wonder what interview they are talking about
...not the Jon Stewart one. Right?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. Specter is the "cover up man" of the Republican Party. Always
has been.
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kayice Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Him and lapdog, Pat Roberts.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Yes, the gemini of evil. They are the worst. Of the two, specter
is worse because he is smart enough to know better. Roberts is simply an idiot doing what he is told.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #4
25. No. He intends to do everything in his power to bury the
resolution. It is VERY important to the Republicans that he succeed.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
42. If he is trying to bury the resolution, why would he hold hearings?
It seems to me that if he was really trying to get rid of it, talking about it more wouldn't be among his preferences
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #42
58. It is subtler to have the hearings, declare the reasons for the
resolution to be invalid and them don't allow it out of the committee. In as sense, he is using the committee as a burial device for the resolution.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. But wouldn't not talking about it be a better burial device?
Talking about it in committee is just keeping it alive longer than he would desire it to be. Bills die in committee because they don't do anything with it. If the Chairman keeps it alive by discussing it then the chances of it dying becomea tad more slim.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:38 PM
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61. I don't think so. Specter will want to make it appear that the
resolution received a fair hearing and then bury it. Just a theory on my part based on the way I've seen Specter handle cover ups in the past. He's rather skilled at that process.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #61
67. you are right. that is how Specter operates.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #67
76. That's why he's the Republican "cover-up king".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
50. As. Chair, I believe he can do just that (bury it).
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. Yes he can and probably will. But, the resolution is so timely and
strong that it will continue in the minds of most Americans. Specter's treachery will backfire.
Even if the hearings are televised, Democrats on the committee will report whether or not there was a fair hearing. Feingold probably never thought that the resolution would pass. He wanted to make the point, have it discussed and then wait for a natural resonance to build up support for the idea of calling Bush out. Time will show that his calculated gamble was a good one.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:49 PM
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2. Hey Arlen...The president BROKE THE LAW. Do something about it.
Peace.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. Correctimundo!
Exactly my thought when I read that story this morning. I expect a complete and utter whitewash from whatever they're setting up. Arlen has bent over for the WH again, as usual.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
27. Right. After a lifelong career of covering up things for the
Republican Party, he will decide to come clean on this resolution. That most definitely won't happen.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:50 PM
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3. Bring it on!
This will be Feingold's finest hour. :patriot:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
28. The Resolution is a suggestion who's time has come.
Specter is going to find that regardless of his skills at covering up things, the resolution has
a power of it's own. It clearly states that the President is flagrantly breaking the law and that he should censured for that. Ninety percent of Americans know that to be true. If Specter totally buries the resolution in the committee, which he most definitely will attempt to do, that act itself will give the resolution an added resonance with the American people. They will see Specter for the slimy crook and hypocrite that he has always been. Arlan, you have met your match. You are facing a dynamic duo in Russ Feingold and his resolution as well as a large majority of the American people.

The entire world knows that Bush is a crook. How are you going to continue to keep that a secret?

In the history of the Senate Arlen Specter will be remembered for his ill-fated attempt to silence the will of the people,represented in the Feingold resolution. It speaks for the people and the people are very tired on not being heard or represented. Sorry Senator Specter. It's taps for whats left of your shabby reputation.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #28
73. you bet, we need to keep it on the front burner.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:52 PM
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5. Good. An open debate about this program/issue should be a good thing.
Whether or not that's what this will be remains to be seen, (and I do, of course, have my doubts that that's what it will be), but I'm glad they're taking it up on the off chance they actually do it right. Hopefully something usefull will come out of it. Could have done without the snippy "spouting off" comment though Arlen. :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Contact cspan (IP address) and ask to cover this hearing.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Will do.
I'd imagine that they would cover it anyway, but I will make sure to let them know I want to see it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. yes, all the committee members with have a chance to say what they want.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. I just meant will it be an actual hearing, or will it simply be Arlen
using the hearing to "put Russ in his place" and attempt to make a fool out of him?

I'm sure he'll try to make Russ look like a nutcase, but I think regardless of whether the Republicans on the committee take the hearing seriously or not, it will have something good come out of it even if it's just getting some information on the record or just showing that, (if the hearing becomes a farce), that Republicans don't take our security, civil liberties, and laws seriously.

I'll be interested to see how it goes, though if I were a betting person I'd have to go with "farce" on this one. I do sincerely hope I'm wrong on that. Regardless, I believe Russ will do us proud.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #5
30. It will not be an "open" debate. However, as the resolution
speaks for a majority of Americans, Specters' act of covering it up will actually resonate in the minds of the people. They will see the cover up for what it is. Specter, the whitewash king has more than met his match. Not only is the resolution, in itself, an incredibly powerful idea, Feingold is about three times smarter than Specter. And even though Specter has the advantage of the chairmanship, there is only so much chicanery he can get away with. There are Democratic members on the committee that will report to the Country what happened in those meetings and the people aren't going to like.

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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. Yep. That's what I was hinting at but you said it a lot more clearly than
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 07:52 PM by jane_pippin
I did.
I don't for one second believe Specter is actually going to conduct an open and honest hearing, though I would love for that to be the case. I agree-Russ and the other Democratic members will speak out about it and we can add one more notch to the list of things to be outraged about. Russ will handle whatever the outcome is well--that I trust. I'll still hold out my naive hope for the best until the thing actually starts because I am, if nothing else, an optimistic cynic. :)

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Feingold is a powerful communicator and his resolution carries
a massive amount of weight with a majority of Americans. I'm also an optimistic cynic who believes the old phrase that "nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come". A majority of Americans clearly see that the President is committing massive felonies from his position and that such vile behavior as that must end. Most Americans already support the resolution and there will even more support as each day goes by.

We shouldn't be discouraged that most other Democratic senators were too
afraid to back it. Many of the more prominent senators were hoping for a 2008 Presidential candidacy.
Feingold beat them to the punch, leaving them in the position of damned if the do and damned if they don't, a double bind.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. 3.7596 percent smarter. You should really round to 4. And that's not
counting his sense of humor, which is an important indicator of intelligence.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
48. and I hope we can watch it on Cspan (contact them)
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:54 PM
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8. This IS a stunt people
Look at what Specter is saying about Feingold. This is a setup to smack Feingold around and THEN say they actually had a hearing. Don't get your hopes up. Arlen Specter talks big shit and then backs down. Just like McCain. Just like ALL Republicans. This is a big fucking setup.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Of course it is. Specter will use it to announce how "irresponsible"
Feingold is for even suggesting censure, and shut it down as quickly and quietly as possible. Then all the Republicans will run around on television saying that 'censure was discussed but determined to be unwise and premature at this time'.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
37. You have described with surgical precision the Republican
plan. What they might slip up on is that the resolution is a "idea whose time has come". I believe that they will discover that it will be more difficult to bury than they think. (or hope)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #37
63. If R's go on record for no censure then the Nov elections will assure D's
that if THEY are elected Bush and co. will be held accountable since R's lack any discipline. Things are just going to get worse as long as R's are in control and the country is waking up.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. And the Democratic senators who failed to back the censure
might find some rough sledding down the road. They will have outfoxed themselves with too much caution.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. yes, , they are listening to the strategists who say it is NOT a winning
issue
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #65
75. Too much Donna Brazille and others like her.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. Exactly .. What we need to do is prepare a smack back at Arlen
big time... in the form of Op Eds.. LTTE's etc..

and hell, take to the goddam streets BEFORE THE DOG AND PONY SHOW HEARINGS.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #20
51. committee members are listed in the IP---contant them also all of them.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. Yes. It is most definitely a "stunt". But, I believe that it will blow
up in Specter's face. The resolution itself, the sympathy of a majority of Americans and the brilliant intellect of Senator Feingold will save the day, even if the resolution is formally buried and killed in committee. (which is most likely will be.)

It might appear that I'm too optimistic and perhaps I am. I base my prediction on what I believe to be the ultimate timeliness of the Feingold resolution. It is an "idea whose time has come". Bush has been flagrantly breaking the law and committing treason for years. Most of the world, including most Americans know this to be true. All of those people are ready for someone or something to bring this
nightmare to a halt. The very least we can do is indict Bush for the criminal he is. This resolution
represents that thing. I believe that in one way or the other, it's power will be revealed, perhaps in unpredicted ways.

I further believe that Feingold has outmaneuvered the other Democratic hopefuls in the race for the candidacy in 2008. They were not bold enough to make the move when the time had come. Feingold will be immune to swiftboat damage.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
13. Recall this (below)--it is Specter who is rewriting the FISA law--that Bus

H broke.


Posted 3/22/2006 6:13 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-22-specter-eavesdropping_x.htm



Critic of spying program to shepherd bills through Senate
By Katherine Shrader, The Associated Press
......



The Senate Parliamentarian last week gave Specter jurisdiction over two different bills that would provide more checks on the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program.

One bill, written by Specter, would require a secretive federal intelligence court to conduct regular reviews of the program's constitutionality. A rival approach — drafted by Ohio Sen. Mike DeWine and three other Republicans — would allow the government to conduct warrantless surveillance for up to 45 days before seeking court or congressional approval.

Specter said the House and Senate intelligence committees could have had authority over the program under the 1947 National Security Act, which lays out when the spy agencies must tell Congress about intelligence activities.

But, Specter said, the committees haven't gotten full briefings on the program, instead choosing to create small subcommittees for the work.
.....
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:36 PM
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16. Magic Bullet Man getting on his knees again for those he loves so well.
Who's your daddy Arlen?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
38. I would say that you have "Bullet Man" pegged. Good comment.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
49. Specter grabbling to the likes of Bush/Cheney is not a pleasant image.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 04:40 PM
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17. "I am sure not going to sit back and have Feingold spout off"
I guess we are getting another look, this time from Specter, at the GOP civility and collegiality they talk so much about.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. And he is so pissed, he's makin' 'em work on a FRIDAY!!!
Hell, they only work about 80 days a year as it is...they take a friken WEEK off for St. Paddy's day!

Arlen is so irritated, he's INCONVENIENCING them as a punishment! No trips back to their states that weekend!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #17
36. He made that political comment in the very next sentence after
he said that "I'm not going to allow this to be political forum". What a slime ball!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 05:07 PM
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18. Repugs have no defense
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 05:11 PM by MissWaverly
Bush shuns Patriot Act requirement
In addendum to law, he says oversight rules are not binding
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | March 24, 2006
WASHINGTON -- When President Bush signed the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act this month, he included an addendum saying that he did not feel obliged to obey requirements that he inform Congress about how the FBI was using the act's expanded police powers.
In the statement, Bush said that he did not consider himself bound to tell Congress how the Patriot Act powers were being used and that, despite the law's requirements, he could withhold the information if he decided that disclosure would ''impair foreign relations, national security, the deliberative process of the executive, or the performance of the executive's constitutional duties."

It seems to me that Bush admitted to warrantless wiretapping last December on tape. He
now has added a signed statement to the Patriot Act saying that he will not submit
to any congressional oversight or accountability. The repugs can't spin this, he
has clearly made the case for censure and maybe impeachment. From where I sit, this
is more serious than a blue dress. They have tangible evidence that the president
has not followed the constitution that he has sworned to uphold.

A key point in this debate would be, is Bush's presidency based on the constitution or
not. His installation as president circumvented the process outlined in the constitution,
the investigation of Valerie Plame outing was obstructed by White House officials, there has
been a flagrant disregard and skirting of the law by this administration. The question
is will the congress fulfill it's obligation to protect and defend the constitution that
they are also sworn to uphold and defend.

We are past partisan politics and into the debate of legality. I think we have
crossed into dangerous waters when the highest official in our country has no respect
of our laws or constitution and places his own needs abouve established laws and
procedures.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/03/24/bush_shuns_patriot_act_requirement/
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:04 PM
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21. Censure is baseless? Think again, Arlen.
What an ass. Clinton lied, no one died. Bush LIED THOUSANDS died.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:50 PM
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23. He hopes that he can convince America that it is baseless.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:04 PM
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31. Without Specter this
spy cam outrage would be dead and buried under two feet of yesterdays news. He's the only one keeping it alive. If our representatives can't produce the goods to nail him dead to the wall and be convincing enough to win the argument, you can't blame Specter.

They're claiming they have the authority, not that they didn't do it. That's the problem. There are just as many proponents that it was legal as there are that it was not. And the public is on no-doz over this. They don't care. Problem #2.

The best we could have hoped for is at least another hearing and that door was opened by Specter. If we don't kick ass, that's our problem.

Arlen Specter is the only goop of the whole damn bunch that has the decency not to wipe his ass with the constitution.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:41 PM
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35. I believe that you are giving credit to Specter where it's not due.
My theory is that Specter feels like the most effective way to minimize the resolution is to allow it to have a "hearing" in the committee and then bury it dead as a doornail, complete with lots of phony rhetoric. I believe that he will find that the resolution is going to have a life of its own.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:15 PM
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52. Yes, the door is open--now what will happen?--I really do not know given
the Dems, in general are not too keen on the resoltuon (as far as I know), esp. the Dems on the committee.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:16 PM
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53. Here is a list of committee members (from the IP)


http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm

Arlen Specter - CHAIRMAN, PENNSYLVANIA

Orrin G. Hatch UTAH

Patrick J. Leahy - RANKING DEMOCRATIC MEMBER, VERMONT

Charles E. Grassley - IOWA

Edward M. Kennedy - MASSACHUSETTS

Jon Kyl - ARIZONA

Joseph R. Biden, Jr. - DELAWARE

Mike DeWine - OHIO

Herbert Kohl - WISCONSIN

Jeff Sessions - ALABAMA

Dianne Feinstein - CALIFORNIA

Lindsey Graham - SOUTH CAROLINA

Russell D. Feingold - WISCONSIN

John Cornyn - TEXAS

Charles E. Schumer - NEW YORK

Sam Brownback - KANSAS

Richard J. Durbin - ILLINOIS

Tom Coburn - OKLAHOMA
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:48 PM
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22. Specter contradicts himself within the same sentence.
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 06:49 PM by ladjf
Read this quote by him.

"Mr. Specter said his intent was not to use the session as a political forum but to explore issues surrounding the proposed censure. He said he believed the proposal was baseless.
"


Notice that Specter used the session as a political forum and the committee hasn't even met. He further warned that he wasn't going to allow Feingold to "spout off".

Do we get the feeling that fair play will not be the rule of that session?

Specter has a clear track record as "Mr. Cover up of the Republican Party". The Republicans drag him out when they are serious about squelching something.

The FIX is in folks on everything about our government.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:33 PM
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43. Let me ask you a simple question.
Would you rather he not have any hearings at all? Yes or no.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:04 PM
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57. I would rather that the hearings be held because even if and when
Specter tries to kill and bury the resolution, that very act of treachery will help the cause and hurt the Republican position. Yes, having the hearing will be beneficial. I'm sorry that my earlier post didn't make that clear. I'm a bit too lazy to include every point I intended to make.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:50 PM
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24. Arlen - Another Bush enabler.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:29 PM
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34. Spector has been a loyal foil for bush*
Spector will attempt to make the hearing a wash and use it as a platform to spew all of the rw talking points regarding domestic spying. I believe, though, that on Feingold's worst day he can out-class & out-debate the panel of thugs. Add to the mix bush*s signing statement to the patriot act and Feingold will bury them with facts and expose them for what they are. Of course facts will not change the criminal republican's minds, but they will be put on the record and aired for all to hear. :)

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:35 PM
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44. Is It Me, Or Does Feingold's Censure Plan Seem To Be Picking Up Steam?
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 09:37 PM by Dinger
Just asking.:shrug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:21 PM
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55. I truely do not know, These things take time--but need to keep upfront!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:54 PM
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45. At last !
We will separate the men from the boys, the courageous from the cowards. Yes! Let's take a stand! Let's see where they all stand - Democrats and Republicans. Yes, let's have a vote!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:19 PM
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54. Specter is starting off with the assumption that it is 'baseless:

from IP nytimes:
.......Mr. Specter said his intent was not to use the session as a political forum but to explore issues surrounding the proposed censure. He said he believed the proposal was baseless.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:42 PM
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56. March 17--move on had almost 350,000 signitures for Censure. I do not
know the latest count.



http://www.madison.com/toolbox/index.php?action=printme2&ref=tct&storyURL=%2Ftct%2Fopinion%2Feditorial%2Findex.php%3Fntid%3D76600%26ntpid%3D2
Editorial: Kohl should back Feingold

A Cap Times editorial
March 17, 2006

.......
When the online activist group MoveOn.org launched a nationwide petition drive to show support for the Wisconsin Democrat's challenge to the Bush administration's disregard for the rule of law, they set a goal of 250,000 signatures to be gathered by the end of the week. By midweek, they already had almost 350,000.

.......


Feingold's argument is a fundamental one: "What the president did by consciously and intentionally violating the Constitution and the laws of this country with this illegal wiretapping has to be answered."

There is no serious debate on this point. Bush did what he did. The president initially tried to lie about it, but when his actions were exposed, he acknowledged that he had authorized the eavesdropping and said he would continue to do so. That was a direct affront to the Constitution and the Congress that enacted rules regarding wiretaps.

Of course, it is unlikely that this Senate will stand up to Bush on warrantless wiretapping. It refused to stand up for civil liberties in the initial Patriot Act fight of 2001 and again when the law was reauthorized this year. It refused to stand up for common sense and the long-term national security interests of the United States in the debate over whether to allow the president to go to war with Iraq, and it has refused to do so in the debate about how long this country will remain in the quagmire of Bush's creation........
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 03:51 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 03:51 AM
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:40 PM
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62. Remember Alren sold his soul to the devil, to get that Chairmanship
The Rethugs didn't want to give him that Chairmanship in the first place. I think they thought he would let the Dems roadblock Bush's judicial nominees.

So he had to sell his soul to them, for that Chairmanship. I guess he had to double pinkie swear that he wouldn't let those evil, Godless Democrats have their way.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 12:57 AM
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66. yeah, now that you mention it--I do recall that tassle. thanks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 02:38 AM
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68. Contact your Senators here (just a few clicks or toll free number)



http://contactcongress.blogspot.com /

TOLL FREE SWITCHBOARD (ask for Senator by name)
888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641

For detailed fax and local office info, click the appropriate state on the right.(ALL the numbers you need for Senators are listed--just a click away :-).

AND:

http://topplebush.com /

SEND AN EMERGENCY MESSAGE TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS NOW! Tell them that legalizing ongoing executive branch lawbreaking allowing Bush to spy on Americans is not what the Founding Fathers meant by checks and balances. Sign PFAW's petition now!

http://actions.pfaw.org/siteapps/advocacy/index.aspx?c= ...
Don't Let Congress Fail America
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The GOP controlled Congress appears ready to abandon any investigation into possible violations of law by the executive branch, with regard to the NSA’s warrantless eavesdropping on U.S. citizens. Worse, it is now planning to pass legislation that rubber stamps that eavesdropping!
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Notoverit Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 08:40 AM
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74. "dealing with it" - pretty much sums up what GOP-eers are doing in congres
covering up the truth in everything. They do there what media does on their turf. It's just one happy big liars club.
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