Someone help me pls. How do we win if we impeach and get Dicky?

[BigBearJohn]

It's like a puppet master putting his puppet back into the trunk.
You still have the puppet master.

Now, if we could somehow impeach both of them, I could understand that.
But really, can someone explain to me how we win if we lose George
and get Dick?

[loveable liberal]

1. we dont impeach.... we continue to watch them implode....

hehehehehe....

[Raine]

3. I agree

really who needs to impeach them, they are self-destructing on their own. I'm just going to sit back and watch the fun as chimp and his party tears itself apart. The MISadministration sinking lower and lower in the polls and failing on all their issues. As it is now they have only themselves to blame.

[Zimmy44]

18. Not about 'winning'

1. It's about holding a president accountable for grave violations of the Constitution. Presumably, we'd all feel the same if it were a Dem we were talking about.

2. I think Dick so does not want to be Pres, that he would resign if Bush were forced out or resigned. So, it's really the Speaker of the House you have to worry about.

[indie_voter]

23. I agree with your first point.

However, Cheney is already president. Maybe if he actually held the title, people would turn away from what the republican party has become.

[shraby]

2. Impeach the both of them along with

their cabinet. The whole lot were complicit in the lies and cover up of all their crimes and deserve impeachment...along with those members of congress who aided and abetted them by not conducting the necessary oversight.

[pnwmom]

4. Impeachment won't put him out of office. He would have to be

convicted in the Senate for that to happen. But the country could only benefit from having his administration's crimes exposed in impeachment hearings.

[benburch]

5. Because the stress of office will stop his ticker...

and then the whole nightmare is over.

[BigBearJohn]

6. or it might make him a martyr: "look at what the Dems did to dick"

[RagingInMiami]

8. To who?

The 18 percent who still approve of him?

[BigBearJohn]

9. hahahahahah good point

[RagingInMiami]

7. Cheney is already president

But impeaching Bush will expose that fact to the nation and the rest of the world. And it will cause a lot of republicans to become democrats.

[tech3149]

10. How about I go hunting with Big Dick?

I'm not far from Rolling Rock Farms and he likes it there.

[madokie]

24. Have you heard that knock on your door yet... just kidding

[DLnyc]

11. Isn't there a clause that the P can't pardon impeachment-related crimes?

I believe that's in the Constitution. So impeachment proceedings could hinder 'safety' pardons, concievably. That is, if the Constitution means anything anymore.

[Rowdyboy]

13. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for impeachment related crimes

so I think you're wrong on that point, though I'll be happy to apologise if anyone can show us such a law.

[bowens43]

17. Nixon wasn't impeached.

The Constitution prohibits pardons in the case of impeachment.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

[never_get_over_it]

21. Ford pardoned Nixon after he resigned

therefore he couldn't have been impeached and removed because he removed himself. A President can not pardon for impeachment.

[DLnyc]

32. I found it: Article II, Secton 2, Paragraph 1

The President shall be Commander in Chief . . . and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

How Ford was able to pardon Nixon, I don't know. Perhaps he wasn't legally allowed to, or perhaps because the impeachment proceedings were halted when Nixon resigned. However, I think a case could be made that shrub could not pardon potential witnesses in a crime which formed part of a bill of impeachment (e.g. Scooter Libby, etc.) or at least until the impeachment hearings have been dropped due to shrub, dead-eye dick, kinda sleezy, dumbfeld and all their friends resigning. (Hey, without our dreams we are nothing.)

[onyourleft]

12. Impeachment isn't about us "winning" is it?

In my mind, bringing about articles of impeachment is because the law has been broken and because the Constitution has been violated. This is not about "winning" anything.

[BigBearJohn]

14. Well, we don't want cheney to shoot us in the foot either!

[onyourleft]

16. I believe we already received a full face shot when

Mr. Bush stood up on national television and admitted he was breaking the law and intended to continue doing so.

If indeed Cheney is already "the power" in Washington, and I believe that he is, how would we be worse off with Bush gone? At the very least impeachment would send a message, as it did in Nixon's case, that no one is above the law and that the people of this country believe their "leaders" should uphold those laws.

[NobleCynic]

15. Because no one likes Dicky

A. Its not like Bush runs the joint anyways.
B. Cheney is so uncharismatic and unpopular right now, it would kill the ability of the administration to get anything done. Given what a spectacular job they've done thusfar, them doing nothing is a step in the right direction.

[Minnesota Libra]

19. Dicky's pace maker can be dealt with easy enough - just think and then....

.....impeach the pResident.

[madokie]

20. First we need to censure the pigshit then we censure the v-pigshit

put'em on notice that we got'em by the balls, As Ralph Steadman of richard nixon's era, the gonzo caricaturist would say 'when you got'em by the balls their hearts and minds will soon follow.' Something to that effect anyway.

My apologies to the swine

[never_get_over_it]

22. Impeachment

I wish people would stop using the term impeachment incorrectly. Impeachment is the indictment and will never cause the removal from office. So please everyone stop eqating the two. Bill Clinton was impeached he was not removed from office

It take two thirds of the Senate to convict and remove someone who has been impeached. Think about it - that is 67 Senators - that will never happen with the current repunks in the Senate they WILL NEVER vote to remove either pResident or Vice pResident

But impeachment will stop them in their tracks - they will have to spend all their time defending themselves and the Congress will spend all their time addressing the impeachment. The year Bill Clinton was impeached the Congress passed ONE piece of legislation and that was to rename National Airport. Impeachment will force an investigation of all the crap these people have done, when Dems take control of the House they can have hearings and then hopefully alot of the truth will come out.

So please impeachment is not about him leaving office it is about him being investigated and held accountable.

[sendero]

25. Like many things in politics..

.... Impreachment and confirmation in the Senate would be a symbolic act.

Symbols are sometimes very powerful and instructive.

The idea that anything would be different with Cheney in office is of course ludicrous, but wouldn't it be nice to see the man who was never elected, who sat and watched 911 happen on his watch, and who's response to 911 was to trash the Constitution, would it not be nice to send a message that there are consequences for being an incompetent would-be dictator?

[GrantDem]

26. 18%

With Dead-Eye-Dick's approval rating and bad ticker he woudn't last long in office.

[Jade Fox]

27. We need to make an important point.....

that a President may not do what Bush has done and be allowed to remain in office. If Bush is allowed to remain in office, I shudder to think of what future Presidents may try to get away with. We also need to make this point to the rest of the world--that we will take responsibility for this criminal who likely got into office illegally and is wreckint so much havoc.

As for Dick, he doesn't worry me. He would likely go down with Bush. But even if he doesn't, he is so wildly unpopular he would be the ultimate lame-duck President.

[Greyhound]

28. Impeachment is just a distraction. The best result of an impeachment

would be to get him out 6 months early, meanwhile it will allow the politiwhores to make things worse and nobody will be watching. Let him finish, keep watching everything they do, and prosecute him and all his cronies once they're out.

[Raine]

34. That's the way I feel too

impeachment would only unite the repukes and right now they are fractured. I think it best to let them limp their way till the end and go down in history as enormous failures. Impeachment would distract from his failures and allow his crowd to claim the failure was caused by him having to fight a politcal impeachment.

[catmandu57]

29. We get deadeye first

and not through impeachment, but through a treason charge. It's in the works right now, Fitzgerald is not going to let the slime off, it's in the back of snarlin dick's mind right now, he knows what he's done and also knows that soon everyone will know too.

After that the chimp* is a cakewalk, a real one not like this fiasco in Iraq.

[mtnsnake]

30. What would you rather do, worry to death about it or impeach one of 'em?

If we stand around with our thumbs up our asses worrying about "what if this", "what if that", both these scumbags will get off the hook scott free. I'd rather impeach Bush, be stuck with Cheney, than not impeach Bush and be stuck with both for the duration. Besides, Cheney will eventually get his, too. If we impeach Bush, that's inevitable.

Think positive for chrise sakes!!!

IMPEACH!!!

[Poiuyt]

31. Impeachment is important for future generations to see that America

will not accept Fascism and war crimes. We MUST send a statement for history.

[BigBearJohn]

33. WOW That's a great point.