No joke: Heard second-hand of ex-soldier saying U.S. near civil war

[stevietheman]

A friend of mine who works at a store of a national retail chain was in a conversation with a co-worker about Bush, Iraq, etc. when an eavesdropping customer who was in or recently in the armed forces said, paraphrased, "Bush is cutting all our V.A. benefits, and now I have to pay every time I go to the VA hospital. Because of all the bad things Bush has been doing, the U.S. is headed toward a new civil war, a civil war to get Bush out of power".

I kid you not. This is a friend who would never lie to me about something like this.

[catmother]

1. music to my ears.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. The concept of Bush out of power

is musical to me, but NOT the concept of civil war.

That didn't go too well last time around. I think the number was 600,000 dead and five times that wounded. A whole generation of men gone. I'd assume that today it would be worse.

[catmother]

9. he said a civil war to get bush out of power. that's really not

the same as our "civil war".

[TallahasseeGrannie]

14. Oh. Well, I guess to me

war is war. But it is just semantics. Maybe "coup" would be a less frightening word.

[bedpanartist]

38. if you are afraid or unwilling to die

then you will never achieve greatness.

We are a great nation today because so many people were willing to die to make things better. Witness the labor movement, civil rights movement, etc...

People must stop being so goddamn docile.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

40. I am personally not afraid to die

and the things you are referring to, the civil right movement, labor movement, etc. were certainly dangerous but they were not war. I AM afraid of war. Because I see what war can do.

[bedpanartist]

41. don't kid yourself

the civil rights movement was a war. So is the current prohibition on drugs. It's a war. It's all a war.

love and gravey,

davey

[TallahasseeGrannie]

45. Well, there are war-like elements to them

but I'm thinking shock, awe and smart bombs.

[Mutley]

16. Removing Bush from power would be great

but civil war would not be good news at all. Can you imagine how bad that would get? Right vs left? Rural vs Urban. Etc?

The cost of a civil war would not be worth removing Bush from power.

[Vexatious Ape]

20. I'd be screwed

I live in a red county in a red as a baboons ass state--Georgia. And these people are armed. I'll have to go Hunter S. Thompson and start my own gun collection.

[helderheid]

21. Utah here

:hi:

[Maru Kitteh]

23. Nebraska here!

We'd be big red toast.

[Mutley]

32. Well, I live in a solid blue city within a pretty blue state

and I'd still be in danger as well. A civil war would not be a good thing.

[adigal]

34. Don't worry - the 101st Fighting Keyboarders

are cowards - they would never put themselves into a position where someone could shoot back. Unarmed deer, bear, turkeys - those are safe. But an armed liberal?? They wouldn't come within 1000 yards of you.

[catmother]

25. i think you're over-reacting to what the guy said. i don't see this

country having a civil war. and i too, live in a red state.

[long_green]

28. and mine. Let the Republicans lose the Reagan Demos and

they won't get them back for at least one generation. I would much prefer to beat the GOP's with Joe Sixpack than have the oligarchy toss out their own in a fit of self-preservation.

[Cleita]

2. I hope not..

I'm for forcibly removing Bush from office, but civil war is kind of extreme. There are provisions in the Constitution to remove a President if he is no longer able to fulfill his duties. I think, we the people, should push Congress to do that.

[atreides1]

11. In case you haven't noticed

We the people, have been pushing Congress, but they don't seem to be listening, at least not at this point in time.

I'm against the use of violence, except as a last resort. The people are speaking now, but the Repukes are doing everything they can to maintain their hold on power, and the Dems are either
not doing anything, or just biding their time.

If the Dems can't take back the Congress this November, then civil war might be the only way to remove the self proclaimed King from power, along with his cronies in the White House, the Congress,
the Supreme Court, and the US military.

The provisions in the Constitution only work if Congress was working for the people, the Repukes stopped working for the people back in 2000, and the Dems it appears don't seem to have a grasp on who they work for, at least some of them don't.

[Cleita]

29. If we have another rigged election in November, then

I'm all for the states that are fed-up with the neo-cons in power seceding and forming a new union. This will, of course, lead to civil war. One thing the neo-cons want power for is for all those tax revenues that come from the liberal states. If their money spigot is cut off, they will be pissed.

[tlsmith1963]

42. I've Been Saying...

...that this country has until the next election to redeem itself in my eyes. If there is another rigged election, I say give them hell!

Tammy

[movonne]

13. Yeah right, what makes you think that congress would do anything

unless it is majority Dems..

[sweetheart]

17. time for the chickens to come home

The chickens are coming home to roost,
with no effort on their opponents behalf,
the repuke submarine has gone down for a boost,
deep buried hunkered under, hiding from the public's ruthless laugh.
Of course we should impeach the surley devious connecticut son,
so we can get the scowling crashcart, heart gone naff,
and his evil henchmen, he can blast them with his shotgun,
given the short time, we can cut their elected numbers by half.

Let the advertizing campaign continue,
every TV channel's expose, a republican corrupt epitaph,
the idiot sovereign bankrupt's his very retinue,
leaving no more neocons around to take the staff.
Why meddle with the republican karmic return,
Dem's got their own policy engines to burn.

[cannabis_flower]

22. Yeah but..

the provisions for removing a president from power put the Vice-President in power. If you impeach the Vice-President to then the Speaker of the House becomes president. What if the whole damn lot of them are corrupt and need to go? It doesn't really address how to get rid of the whole damn administration and all their cronies. A coup could do that but the constitutional provision don't.

[adigal]

35. An election would do both

We need to work very hard at getting out the vote this November, and then nominating an electable, populist (think Edwards, Clark, not Hillary, dear God, NO!) for 2008.

Then we take back the country from these nuts.

[tridim]

3. The Citizens vs. Bush wouldn't be classified as a civil war

More like a revolution. Something tells me BushCo wouldn't have many allies.

[stevietheman]

7. "civil war" was the words of the soldier... he probably meant to say...

"revolution".

[CanuckAmok]

10. More like a slaughter.

Even if he had only one Bomb Wing and one loyal Division, that would be enough to quash any revolutionaries.

I'm all for non-civil war means, myself :)

[napi21]

4. My husband said that at the dinner table yesterday.

I hope we can accomplish this without a civil war! Obviously, none of us were alive during the last one, but everything you read explaines how bad of a time it was!

[Minnesota Libra]

6. Oh, I see and hear this kid of thing more and more every day. nt

[Faygo Kid]

8. Lot of anger out here. It's underestimated.

The mainstream media doesn't get it, despite their own polls. Talk radio has no monopoly on anger. Most people I know have had it. They have moved from opposition to the war and Bush to downright seething anger and resentment, and the Dems better provide a voice. MSM still focused on the 30% Bushbots while missing the solidifying rest of us. We are at the tipping point.

[movonne]

12. If this every happen it would not be a civil war with each other, it

would be against our government..and that might be worse...

[AndyA]

15. I feel this way, too.

Here we are talking about a possible civil war in Iraq, when we seem to be heading that direction here, as well. Take a look outside at America. People are not happy. Things are not good, despite what we're being told.

There are too many Americans being abused by the Bush Administration, the Republicans, and their poor policies. It won't take much more for everything to get pushed over the edge, in my opinion. The Administration is not responsive to the needs in America, which are considerable, and it's insulting to see millions of dollars go to no-bid corporations for Iraq, while we have so many pressing issues here.

Bush is rich - if he wants a war, let HIM pay for it. He can dip into the ill-gotten coffers of The Carlyle Group and pay for it that way.

No child left behind? Forget that, that's minor.

AMERICA HAS BEEN LEFT BEHIND!

[Swamp Rat]

18. I think he meant to say "revolution"

Longer Bush remains in power, the worse the end will be for he and his conspirators.

Even if Bush is allowed to leave office without prosecution, I bet there will be numerous groups dedicated to applying some sort of 'people's justice' ... unless he finishes building his rocketship to Mars. :)

[stevietheman]

24. Yes, the soldier probably meant to say "revolution". and...

I think you're right about Bush being harrassed after he's out of office. He won't be able to ever escape the damage he's done to our nation.

It might even get to a point where he pleads to be taken to the Hague, for his own safety.

[Swamp Rat]

30. If he is lucky, he will make it to the Hague.

I doubt 5,000 SS body guards will be enough to protect him.

[cassiepriam]

19. On an emotional level, the civil war in the US has already started.

The hatred, the bitterness, the divisiveness exists.

It remains to be seen when and if these feelings manifest in a behavioral way.

[cornermouse]

26. I prefer political neutralization till we can get him out.

In other words, I want Congress to grow a backbone, step up to the plate, and MAKE him unable to do anything else until we can either impeach him or until his term is over. That is what I want. It isn't what I expect.

[catmother]

27. i think you're all making too much of the terminology the guy

used. i, for one live in a republican area and i cannot see myself having a war with my neighbors.

think about -- really think about it. it's not going to happen.:think:

[adigal]

37. But they might envision locking YOU up as un-American

if we have another attack and you blame Bush.

[catmother]

39. i'm not going to lose any sleep worrying about it.

:shrug:

[theHandpuppet]

31. Bush doesn'r care what anyone thinks

He's said so time and again. He doesn't care what the people think, he doesn't care what Congress thinks, he doesn't care what the world thinks. He considers himself above the law and above the Constitution. IOW, it's impossible to sway The Emperor Bush on any issue. We have three more years of this shit to go, folks, and it looks like there's no will in Congress to impeach this madman.

[mitchum]

33. About fucking time

[ladjf]

36. Not possible. Too many reasons to even bother listing.

[WestSeattle2]

43. VA Benefits

http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-782283.php

One of my Senators has been front and center on VA benefits, and not out of convenience. It's truly a heartfelt conviction on her part, that we "support the troops" in every sense, not just with bumper stickers and flag decals. There really are politicians who walk the talk, they're not all like republicans.

Bill Clinton was a major force behind upgrading VA Hospitals, bringing them into the 21st century. Veterans can now go into any VA hospital nationwide and doctors on staff can access the patients medical file and history via networked databases. Beats anything going on in the private sector by a long shot.

Just curious how many veterans vote Democratic..........do they support those who really support the troops, or do they support those who pretend to support the troops?

[converted_democrat]

47. Let's put it this way..

Nearly every vet that has returned from Iraq, and is running for office in America is running as a Dem.. (In fact, I honestly don't know of any that are running that are pukes..)

[Brian Stevens]

44. We might not have a choice

Sometimes we have to set aside certain things and do the inevitable. I say lets do it.

[Rosemary2205]

46. I appreciate the sentiment but

clearly the average American doesn't give a diddly flop about veterans.

[stevietheman]

48. I would say the reverse is true... but your mileage may vary. n/t

n/t