"... And the Democrats in Congress Just Sit on The Their Hands..."

[WillyT]

BuzzFlash Headline:

Bush Stumbles Toward Armageddon: Iraq's ruling parties demanded U.S. forces cede control of security on Monday as the government launched an inquiry into a raid on a Shi'ite mosque that ministers said saw "cold blooded" killings by U.S.-led troops. And the Democrats in Congress Just Sit on Their Hands. (Forget About the Republicans. They are Opportunistic Traitors.)

Link to story: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-03-27T191932Z_01_L27605414_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml

Curiosly, they've been on our side for some time now. I believe the Democratic powers that be, need to know, that patience is wearing thin EVERYWHERE!

DO SOMETHING !!! - ANYTHING !!!

:wtf:

[Cocoa]

1. blaming the dems is even stupider than blaming the media

this is Bush's baby.

[bpilgrim]

8. they bear responsibility for not speaking out

unless they think they can assume the mantle of power with 0 responsibility :shrug:

peace

[Cocoa]

10. they're speaking out

[bpilgrim]

23. no where near enough of'm - who's with Feingold?

or are you gonna tell us it's all in our heads?

perception IS everything - fyi

peace

[flyarm]

12. WAIT A MINUTE..

THESE ARE PEOPLES LIVES BEING SNUFFED OUT and or destroyed..are we all to sit quietly back and forget that and not even demand action by our own or responsibility by our own??

this reminds me of being numb..when you watch tv and hear murders daily on your local news and you no longer hear it..i call congress people daily ..yes dems and i demanmd that they stand up and speak out..i get hung up on by our own..and i cry for the lives being snuffed out daily in iraq...

so what ...we hear of more deaths and murders and we should wait for dems to speak out..because the repugs will self destruct??

well then we are all self destructing when we care so little about human life..yes human life in a country we had no damn business destroying and starting a war in..i am sick of- all americans- who care so damn little about the lives being lost and destroyed in iraq..

both repug and dem need to be held accountable..for those who started this murder and those who are silent about it....these are peoples lives being snuffed out..

i see the little ladies crying in iraq and i cry and ache for them..and i have begun to hate my country ..the country i have loved for 50+ years..i used to feel embarrassed by my country when * started this illegal war....the Brave and proud USA..now i feel shame..

disgust and shame..

and my heart aches for a people i do not know..and the loss ..my country... has brought to them!

and its not just repugs that have caused their loss!

its about time every responsible American start screaming from the roof tops..and that includes dems who are supposed to be representing us..

fly

[WillyT]

18. Exactly Fly... Exactly !!!

Perfect.

:pals:

We wanna win so bad, some of us are willing to forget why we're not them.

:shrug:

[Cocoa]

22. the democrats can't stop the war

it sucks, but it's true. :-(

[bpilgrim]

24. they can HELP - by RESISTING and SPEAKING OUT - it sucks that they don't

but it's true =(

peace

[Cocoa]

29. they ones that do are being ignored

[bpilgrim]

32. the few that do are ignored - they should cause a SCENE like Feingold

when the people lead the leaders will follow

peace

[flyarm]

42. no but they can darn well speak out about the lies!!

no one is stopping them from that but themselves..i would have more respect for anyone who spoke out..like we all cheered Helen Thomas..i would cheer and send them every dime i had if they spoke out..and called the lies what they are... damn filthy lies..i will not sink down to the keep quiet group.. ..or the "we won't win game"..win what then??

what will we have won??????
this isn't a game of win and loose..the people loosing daily are those in our uniforms and those who are being treated inhumainly or being killed and murdered illegally in an illegal war ..in our name...

not in my name ..thanks but no thanks...

there are still people being murdered in our name every day..and i do not want my name on this murder..and if i am going to support anyone they damn well better start speaking out about the lies and this illegal war of murder and lies of this admin that took us to this illegal war..

what is the fact that dems have no power keeping them from going on tv and telling the american people about PNAC??

what about power is stopping that??

what about being in power or not is keeping the dems from saying this war was a war of choice..and an illegal war???????????

what is it about having power or not that keeps dems from speaking the truth???????
that * concieved of this war illegally and planned it..and executed it..alll in the name of a god he lies about???????

what is to keep any dems of saying * is lying that everything is under control in iraq when it is obvious it is now in civil war...

what is it about not being in power that is keeping dems from supporting feingold for holding * accountable for breaking our laws and shredding our constitution?????????

i give respect now only to those who earn it.,..and that number is shrinking by the day..

Helen Thomas gets my respect..she is willing to fight for my country and her integrity..

Russ Feingold gets my respect..because he is willing to stand up for truth and the laws of my once proud land..the rest have to earn it for now on!

fly

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. There's an old saying

Don't interfere when your enemy is destroying himself. If the Dems keep their hands clean, the next election will be a referendum on the current regime. We want that ...

[WillyT]

3. I Agree, But When Your Allies Start Putting Their Foot Up Your Ass...

It's time to take another temperature of the corpus politic, no???

:shrug:

[Fredda Weinberg]

30. Haven't you been following the polls?

We're not going to change human nature - nor increase the average intelligence of Joe Sixpack. Roll with the punches and live to fight another day. Hopefully, we'll do better than we did when Dems last controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress.

[bpilgrim]

9. we've heard that for two election cycles now, at least

the referendum will be what the reTHUGs frame it to be if their is no resistance.

peace

[Fredda Weinberg]

28. And public opinion has turned

I doubt it would have happened any quicker had the Dems acted any differently. It's taken a long time to get past 9/11 - I'm relieved we seem to finally be coming to our collective senses.

[bpilgrim]

40. because the world is on FIRE! is that what we have to wait for to 'win'?!?

i don't think so, i think we can do BETTER!

have you forgotten about BBV, get off your ass and kick your congress person in theirs!

peace

[Fredda Weinberg]

48. On fire? Not here

My Congresscritter is Major Owens and I'm not takin' on his black ass.

BBV? Dude, in NYC we've had lever machines with no paper trail since I was born - and my state, true to form, hasn't made a decision on a new system, but heck, we even signed the Declaration of Independence a week late. We've already got a law mandating a voter verified paper trail, so that's covered.

I perform my public service every day - but don't want to discuss my work here. I act locally, but think globally - and action is the remedy to the despair you express.

[bpilgrim]

51. well that explains it... me-me-me

well, get out of the way then

peace

[Fredda Weinberg]

60. LOL, dude, I'll wait for you to catch up

I believe in long-term, permanent change. I was raising money to promote alternative media while progressive bloggers were still setting up their accounts.

I was convincing powerful forces to reject e-voting before most DUers even heard of Diebold.

And every day, I'm helping the greatest city in the world stay safe.

So you can keep shouting - I'll enjoy the fruits of my labors.

[bpilgrim]

61. sure you are...

peace

[IsItJustMe]

4. And the Dems will help chimp pass his immigration bill. I feel sick.

[Minnesota Libra]

5. Why are you in such a hurry to interrupt neocons hanging themselves? nt

[WillyT]

11. You Know... You Have A Point... I Hope Our Nooses Are Less Scratchy...

Then theirs are.

:wtf:

[radwriter0555]

6. Why should they? They have a fine lifestyle to live, secrets to keep,

mistresses to feed...

Pay close attention to the democrats who have the balls to publicly oppose the bush regime and to the cowards laying up and taking it up the ass while YOU, the people who elected them, SUFFER.

And appreciate the few heros you have, like Gore, Kerry and Boxer.

[WillyT]

13. Oh... I Appreciate Those I Have, Just Hate That Those I Have Are Few !!!

:shrug:

[wisteria]

7. You know, there is a lot of inflammatory things coming out of Iraqi now.

These are serious charges, I think it might be better to wait and see what a little more investigation turns up.

[WillyT]

15. Unable To Hold My Breath Any Longer, The Only Thing Turning Blue Is Me !!!

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

14. Oh, good for you for calling out those bad Democrats.

Just because they are leading in the polls now means nothing.

Doggone it I knew people here at DU would not fall for it. When I saw the polls listed at the DNC blog....I knew someone here would catch on that it was a bunch of hooey.

Good for you for calling them out.

:sarcasm:

[WillyT]

17. Hey MF !!! - Check The Link !!! - That's BuzzFlash Who's Kicking Balls !!!

Have they gone 'leftwing wacko', or is our goddamned party petrified itself in the collective cloakroom???

:wtf:

[madfloridian]

19. Petrified...frozen.

You and Buzzflash are doing a good job.

I could mention some things the last few days, but no one would care. They got the immigration bill out of committee with the part out of it about making the good Samaritans felons....because they hung together.

[seabeyond]

16. democrats have been talking non stop whenever on media

it isnt the democrats.

they dont have the power. it is as simple as that. you demand something that cannot be done. they can do no more until they have the power. and not only house and senate, but the change of the war is going to come from the presidency

[PassingFair]

20. Did anyone hear Gary Hart on Rachael Maddow's show this AM?

He actually said "The Republican controlled congress and their ALLIES across the aisle."
Or something to that effect.
I almost did a spit take on the way into work. He repeated it SEVERAL times.

He also made it clear that over half of SITTING dems voted AGAINST the IWR. A
point that is not made NEARLY enough!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Oh For Gods Sake. This Is Getting So Out Of Hand And PATHETIC.

I don't know who the brilliant fucking strategists are on these blogs, but I want to send them a message: Using every opportunity now to bash Democrats with every bit of eagerness as the right wing does, IS NOT GOING TO HELP US FUCKING TAKE BACK CONGRESS THIS YEAR! All this stupid, short-sighted unproductive bickering and dem bashing is doing nothing to help our cause. Fucking nothing. It is imperative that we win back congress this year. Guess what blogger Einsteins, publicly bashing the democratic party every chance you get ain't gonna fucking do it.

[blue neen]

25. .

:thumbsup:

[WillyT]

26. *bzzt* yes, you are correct *bzzt* we must follow our leaders *bzzt*

we must not criticize in any way *bzzt*

BTW - "Open the pod bay doors HAL!"



"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

31. bzzt... you arent being factually correct, merely bashing for bashing

sake then dare to say we must follow your bogus story that can be proven wrong or we are blindly following.... bzzzttt pathetic

[WillyT]

33. So... When Our Allies Start Turning Against Us Before The 2006 Election...

you think we can win this thing all by our little selves do you???

Don't be blinded by what you think you already know, visualize what others need to know.

THEN FUCKING LEAD THEM !!!

Otherwise this is just one gigantic exercise in mental masturbation!

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

37. mixed up argument. not a whole lot of allies with us to turn

firstly. secondly i dont think we can win with or without this illusionary allies you speak of.

and in all your wisdom what you think you need to create for others to visualize is that the democrats dont say nuthin......

and that is a FUCKING LEADER

i think you are already in the masturbation stage

[bpilgrim]

36. bzzt... sounds like you and many dem 'leaders' got a preception problem

bzzt... reception coming in fuzzy bzzt...

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. So I Guess Taking Back Congress Is Of No Importance To You?

Hmmm. The state of things today I would think you'd actually care. Silly me.

See, challenging our leaders to do better and voicing displeasure and dissent are welcomed and necessary. I'm the last person to walk in lockstep. But there are worlds of difference between constructive criticism and simply all out counter-productive, would make the right wing proud dem bashing. It is the latter that I rally against, as it is just simply AGAINST everything we are here to do, is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to our mission and goals, and is quite simply just plain stupid.

[Rainscents]

27. AMEN!

[bpilgrim]

34. this is only just the beggining... blogs are not going away just grow

the politicians that adapt will survive, the ones that can't will be left behind.

more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[WillyT]

35. Amen Pilgrim !!!

:bounce::pals::bounce:

[bpilgrim]

38. we are here, we are fearless & WE are gonna WIN!

sup WillyT, good to see you fighting the good fight as always :toast:

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Gonna Win What Exactly? The Only Thing We Need To Win Right Now

is congress. I mean, you do support the democrats regaining control of congress from the neofascist country ruining parrot headed criminals right? Or are you just fighting against everybody for your own agenda. Cause bashing our entire party ain't helpin anybody, so I gotta wonder just what it is you think you are going to win?

Right now all I care about is winning back control of congress, as it is the most important method to ending the madness. But to each their own.

[bpilgrim]

43. we are gonna WIN back our country by getting politicos who LISTEN

this is much bigger than just the next election... this fight is for all future elections as well.

wining more of the same is a loser for most people.

people want real CHANGE and that doesn't happen by not expressing yourself... if our politicos are wise they will be listening otherwise they will be left behind.

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. I Pray There's Even A World Left By The Time Your Self Destructive Plan

actually bears any fruit, with all due respect.

In the meantime, I'm gonna fight for what matters right fucking now, which is taking back congress in 06 (ya know, that might just be the best first stepping stone towards helping accomplish the greater goals of which you speak. Hey, might even be better than assisting the RW in democrat bashing and helping ensure they retain control so they can wreak even greater havoc on the world! Ya think? Maybe? McFly? Hello!!!!)

[bpilgrim]

46. that's your opinion, i have been witnessing steady progress since 12-12-00

i have seen the constant pressure from the blogs grow into a powerful political force of influence.

in the meantime instead of fighting us, you should join us, we'll always be here.

:hi:

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. Never Fucking Said Otherwise.

They are amazingly powerful. And I'm overwhelmingly thankful for the democratic blogs that support democrats and want democrats to win and want the democrats to take back congress. The other blogs, such as the RW blogs and others that trash the dems, can go fuck themselves to oblivion. But the democratic blogs? We absolutely are damn powerful and will continue to grow!

[bpilgrim]

50. don't get all hostile on me pal...

the blog in question is a dem blog :freak:

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. But The Post In Question Isn't.

The author of the post can go fuck themselves in my opinion, but whatever.

[bpilgrim]

53. this is posted on a dem website - > BUZZFLASH

hello... McFly...

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. I Know The Site Well. But That Doesn't Change That They Are

effectively working against us with that header, and our goals to win back congress. So overall a democratic site or not, in this case it is just dembashing the same as if the RW did it, and whoever wrote the header can go fuck themselves. I hope that's clear now, ok McFly?

[bpilgrim]

68. nonsense - your name call'n & thugishness is the problem

imho

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Yeah, It's My Name Calling Against Irresponsible Dem Bashers That's Gonna

cost us control of congress in 06. Do you still have the receipt to the 'beginners book of logic' you bought? I'd return it.

[bpilgrim]

71. i should have said PART of the problem

since that is EXACTLY how i perceive my dem leaders responses to me and my family. can't take ANY CRITICISM and LASH OUT at their critics, just like children.

peace

[madfloridian]

54. Oh, come on, Pilgrim....lots of bloggers support the party in many ways.

Just cause a person blogs doesn't make them right. Many bloggers are responsible in their criticism.

Have you even checked out that our Democrats are trying? No, I did not think so.

Change is not going away, but it will NOT be as radical as you think it will be.

Just sounding big and tough is not the solution.

[bpilgrim]

57. lots of bloggers are speaking out for CHANGE and STANDING UP to the neoCON

have i paid attention for the last 6 years and witnessed everything go to hell with nary a whimper from the majority of dem leaders?

yes

am i and many others sick of it?

yes

is the www a radical change?

you better believe it!

just standing up is a START.

peace

[WilliamPitt]

45. If this is satire, it's absolutely brilliant.

If it isn't... :eyes: :yoiks: :freak:

[bpilgrim]

47. you don't think many dem leaders are sitting on their hands?

if that was satire, that was absolutely brilliant... if not :eyes: :yoiks: :freak:

peace

[WilliamPitt]

62. Come on

Views on immigration break into two camps. At one end are law-and-order types, mostly conservative Republicans, who want to tighten border security and step up enforcement against illegal workers. The business community, the Roman Catholic Church, many Republicans and most Democrats occupy the other camp -- joined, notably, by President Bush. Although they generally support tougher enforcement, they also want to change federal law to allow illegal workers to gain legal status so they can continue to fill many low-skill jobs that they believe would otherwise go vacant. Moreover, they say, welcoming outsiders is a core American ideal.

"Each generation of immigrants brings a renewal to our national character and adds vitality to our culture," Bush said in a speech yesterday. "Newcomers have a special way of appreciating the opportunities of America, and when they seize those opportunities, our whole nation benefits."

But Bush's position has split Republicans . Former White House aide David Frum, writing on the Web site of the National Review, said of the president's proposal: "His version of immigration reform can only pass Congress with Democratic votes, and there is zero possibility that the Democrats will help him -- but every likelihood that they will egg him on to incite a Republican civil war on the issue that most bitterly divides the president's party."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/27/AR2006032701837.html

Think about it. Sitting on their hands is the very, very best thing they can do on this issue. We need 15 seats to take back the House and put Conyers into the chairman's seat on the Judiciary Committee...and the only thing that makes getting those seats anything other than the longest of long shots is the possibility of the GOP incinerating itself over an issue of signal importance.

Like this one.

We are at war with the GOP and this administration. Sometimes is war, the best way to do something is to do nothing, and let the enemy damage itself.

Now if that's cowardly, if that's quisling, well then tell me where to sign and I'll join the Cowardly Quisling Democrats Club. Stuff like this can put Conyers into that chair, and there's your impeachment, there's your accountability, there's checkmate on these psychopathic idiots. That's the most progressive goal I can imagine, and yes, the Democrats sitting on their hands so as not to get in the way of a perfectly good train wreck is part of achieving that goal in this specific instance.

Let them tear themselves apart. It will be vastly entertaining to watch.

[bpilgrim]

67. "Sitting on their hands is the very, very best thing they can do"

they have to vote don't they?

"the only thing that makes getting those seats anything other than the longest of long shots is the possibility of the GOP incinerating itself over an issue of signal importance"

don't forget BBV.

but besides, the point is they HAVE TO participate in the governance or why do they even show up? this, in my mind is larger than just this single issue... it is indicative of their whole approach to governance, lets just sit back, let the reTHUGs get what they want till people want a change than we'll give'm reTHUG lite.

i am sick and tired of it and i ain't the only one.

change is a long time comin & it is way over due.


more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[WillyT]

55. Let's See... BuzzFlash Fires A Wake Up Shot At The Dems...

Malloy does the same every hour of his show, nightly... Seder and Garafalo likewise... Maddow and half the blogs as well.

I repeat it here, and many on DU wet their jammies in a Feingold night-sweat.

I'm sorry, must have missed the memo when DU was instructed to be sycophants of the Democratic Party.

So much for the underground part.

When I think the party I've been loyal to since 1974 is fucking up, I'll damn well say so.

:shrug:

[bpilgrim]

56. yeah, i don't know what is with these quisling dems

you'd think they'd had enough spinelessness by now :shrug:

i think will is in his cups, again... i'm sure he'll come round, again ;->

peace

[WillyT]

58. I Swear B... I Had No Idea That Some Dems Here, Are As Frightened...

as some of our elected Dems. Talk about your representative government, sheesh.

Sad... ain't it?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

63. I am frightened of people who despise Democrats so much..

that they would rather attack them than attack Republicans. Our Democrats moved more ahead in the polls today, but it does not seem to matter to some of you.

That worries me.

[bpilgrim]

64. that is a tired knee-jerk response that gets trotted out EVERY-TIME

when Dem's get rightly criticized.

that worries me.

peace

[madfloridian]

65. I hate it when people use the knee-jerk in reference to what I say.

When they are painting everyone in the party with the same tired old brush, without realizing that many are fighting for us.

[bpilgrim]

70. then stop using that tactic

i am real sick & fucking tired of the lame refrain... 'you all just hate dems, don't wanna win, are far-left wackos' so how you like them apples?

kapeesh

peace

[Greeby]

59. It's hard for the ones in the House who will fight

When this bloated lardass Hastert keeps the House from being in session as long as he can