Moussaoui says he was supposed to crash a plane into the White House???

[Cyrano]

I heard this story on the radio this morning and my skepticism antenna instantly started beeping red. He yelled this out in court along with a few other things before he was shut up.

Okay, they've had this guy for ... is it four or five years now? Given their drugs, their torture chambers, and four or five years to mess with his brain, you could get him to swear he was the Easter Bunny.

He also said that (shoe bomber) Richard Reed was his partner. If Reed was his partner who was supposed to fly into the White House with him, what the hell was he doing on a plane trying to give himself a hot foot?

This story doesn't pass the smell test. It has Karl Rove written all over it.

[dogday]

1. Also Reed was in France at the time of 9-11

Makes it kinda hard to of been on a plane in the US, don't you think?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. I'm not defending the government on 911

but when Mis. was arrested, then it would make sense that Reed pulled out as well because he had no partner? And therefore was in France? I would assume they needed to work together?

[dogday]

14. I guess it would depend on how long Reed

was in France and was he is France at the time of Mou. Arrest? I am sure if traced backed, we will see discrepancies in his testomony...

[Yupster]

32. Pretty big article on this in our paper today

It seems ZM is a bit of a nutcase.

According to him he was pulled off the plot and sent to Malaysia where he did not make a favorable impression on the Malaysian AQ leadership. Then he was brought back to Afghanistan where he had a heart to heart with OBL before he was put back into the 9-11 mix.

I think by then it was too late to get his part going though and then he got arrested.

It's an interesting read and I'm impressed by how these guys are able to travel all over the world seemingly at considerable cost.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. Bush wasn't home. Reed was to dumb to even light a match.

[bryant69]

4. How exactly do you think Rove pulled this one off?

CIA mind control?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. When he starts saying stuff

that isn't already public knowledge, then maybe he might have something of value to say. Otherwise, he's just a wacko al CIAda wannabe.

[bullimiami]

6. yup. it stinks.

[tocqueville]

7. Moussaoui : I killed Bambi's mom

and Marilyn Monroe, JFK, Martin Luther King too

please kill me, kill me

[rman]

17. At least now i know who to blame

for one my youth traumas.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. I've never gotten over Marilyn either. nt

[rman]

27. Well in my case it was Bambi's mom,

but that kind of shit can haunt you for the rest of your life, doesn't it.

[Lerkfish]

8. LOL, you and I are on the same wavelength on this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=765611&mesg_id=765737

even using the term "smell test".

[shoelace414]

9. and the other planes had..

five or four hijackers. and it was going to be just the two of them, and one of them wasn't in the country a month before the plan, while all the rest were.

[leveymg]

10. There's one piece of circumstantial evidence that supports this.

Before Flt. 77 made its turn to spiral down into the Pentagon, the White House was evacuated. The Secret Service told everyone to just run out of the building because a hijacked aircraft was "inbound." Why did they assume the WH was the target rather than the Pentagon or the Capitol?

It wouldn't be too much of stretch to assume that the WH might be a target, but the message given was the WH was the target. Nothing conclusive here, but worth considering.

[endarkenment]

15. Why wouldn't they assume that the WH was a likely target?

Moussaoui is a raving nutcase daring the government to martyr him, which we will likely do. The fact that the WH was evacuated does not support or falsify Moussaoui's ravings of yesterday.

[leveymg]

19. I've long wondered why the Pentagon was targeted rather than the WH or Cap

itol Bldg. If the attack was simply a symbolic one, wouldn't the seats of gov't be a more important target?

That led me to conclude that there's another reason why the Pentagon was targeted. I'm not sure why.

It's a natural assumption that the WH was Target #1 in DC. It's a strange, and I think meaningful, omission that the WH was not targeted. Also, I had been under the impression that Flt. 93, which was apparently shot down over Western PA after having its navigation jammed, was headed for DC.

Something is definitely not "right" with Moussaoui's story.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. To get the military in line behind retaliation, regardless of the cost?

That, of course, would be a political consideration of someone other than AQ being behind the attack.

Another argument for MIHOP.

[leveymg]

28. The military would have given 110% anyway.

Someone else was behind UBL. Did you see yesterday's story about the Al-Qaeda top lietenant, Saeed Sheikh, being a triple-agent with ties to Pakisani, US, and British intelligence? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=767417&mesg_id=767417

This article, http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060327/main2.htm if accurate, provides important new details on the information that was alledgedly withheld from the 9/11 Commission Report at the behest of GOP lobbyists wotking for Pakistan. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/14/133330/930

It also appears to confirm that CIA had penetrated al-Qaeda with double-agents, and how Mr. Sheikh put a "secure" communications system in place that was ready-made for NSA interception.

We have to ask, why is this being released now?

More of the report, below:

Despite startling revelations about Islamabad’s involvement in the 9/11 by Newman, the military government of General Pervez Musharraf succeeded in getting vital information removed from the final report. Bin Laden referred to Sheikh as his son. No attempt was made to arrest when he returned to Pakistan from Kandahar where he was set free in exchange of Indian hostages in IC 814 episode. The ISI gave him a house and protection from the police. He lived openly and frequented swanky parties attended by senior government officials, observed Newman adding that the US government sources told Newsweek that he was a “protected asset” of the ISI. Sheikh, who carried many names, including Mustafa Ahmed, Mustafa Shmed al-Hasawi, Mustafa Mahmoud Saeed Ahmed, Mustafa Mohammed Ahmed, is a hijacking, kidnapping and financial expert. He was tasked with killing Daniel Pearl and is understood to have funded 9/11 by wiring $100,000 to Mohammed Atta.

Sheikh, the man about whom the Commission of Inquiry report utters no word, overhauled Al-Qaida’s logistics, communications and financial networks and was given responsibilities in international liaisons such as relations with the Hezbollah or the Sudanese National Islamic Front. To facilitate financial and communications needs, he designed a new secure, encrypted, web-based communications system for Al-Qaida. There was talk that he would someday succeed Bin Laden. Over and above all these responsibilities, Sheikh had another extremely sensitive job for Al-Qaida.

He was the group’s principal liaison with the ISI. He worked closely with various current and former officers of Pakistani intelligence, including Lieut-General Mohammed Aziz Khan, who along with President Pervez Musharraf himself, was the most powerful commander in Pakistan. A product of the London School of Economics, he went on to play a vital role in 9/11 by financing the hijackers. For his trouble, he received the same impersonal budget as the two other key coordinators, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin Al-Shibh. As the 9/11 attacks neared, ISI chief General Ahmed became more deeply mired in the plot, apparently to secure new sources of funds for the airline tickets needed for the reconnaissance flights on the date of the attack.

SNIP

On the orders of the ISI chief, Sheikh wired the money to hijack leader Mohammad Atta. Flush with money, Atta Hamzi and Hanzour flew first class on the type of aircraft they would use on September 11, 2001. All this does not find mention in the commission report because both the USA and the British governments were keen to enlist Pakistan as a key ally in their attack on Afghanistan. Recent revelations in the Pakistani media have confirmed that Islamabad had paid tens of thousand dollars to lobbyists in the USA to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 report.

SNIP

[pberq]

11. defense attorneys say that Moussaoui may prefer execution

So Moussaoui may be saying this to avoid life in prison.

And for anyone who takes at face value KSM's "statement culled from government interrogations", I've got some land in Florida you may be interested in.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui

New Versions of Moussaoui's Role Emerge

<snip>
Moussaoui's defense attorneys, in their opening arguments, suggested that Moussaoui may prefer execution, which he would see as martyrdom, to life in prison. He isn't cooperating with his court-appointed attorneys and testified against their wishes.

. . .

As soon as Moussaoui finished testifying, the jury was read statements from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the Sept. 11 mastermind now in U.S. custody, who said Moussaoui was to have been used in a second wave of attacks completely disconnected from Sept. 11.

. . .

Mohammed's testimony came in the form of a 58-page statement culled from government interrogations. He said repeatedly that Moussaoui was to be part of a second wave of attacks, distinct from 9/11.

[BlackHeart]

12. I don't think anyone considers

this to be anything more than the ramblings of a crazy man.

[Ezlivin]

13. He couldn't do it. Our trillion dollar defense system would have stopped

him before he got a chance.

Right?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

16. I would assume Reed is just a tad

TICKED off at Mis. this morning.

[ladjf]

18. He didn't know how to fly any plane. He flunked out of flying

lessons. The guy is a psycho moron.

[chelsea0011]

20. This guy is a crackpot, but probably had usefull information that

the Bush government didn't much care for. Terrorism was not on their radar, Saddam was. Anyway, it doesn't matter what he is saying now. It is all suspect. He will be electrocuted, as Timothy McVeigh was, quickly before the whole story comes out. Can't ever show the government screwed up.

[xchrom]

21. moussaoui is a nut case.

[EST]

22. Please get a grip!

This rascal is enjoying a huge joke at his persecutors' expense. He knows he's unlikely to come out of this alive and he doesn't care. Most of the really dedicated guys, for instance-suicide bombers, simply do not have the reverence for life-especially their own-that most western people accept as a ground of being.

When a thoroughly indoctrinated christian figures out that, if the afterlife is so wonderful, why not get to it right now (and bring along a lucky few with them,) we look on them like they are nuts.
No matter how much we claim to be committed to some eternal bliss, ignored reality seeps in and, though it may not be acknowledged, we make the decision that life right now is to be preferred to some promises, later on.

These folks are a whole lot closer to their spirituality than we--on average--and life just is not as important.

Again, this rascal is enjoying a huge belly laugh at the expense of his ignorant, simple minded tormentors and nothing he says can be taken seriously.

[theHandpuppet]

23. Moussaoui is obviously unstable

At least it's been obvious to me for quite some time, as well as to many other DUers. How in the world could any juror convict a mentally unstable person on their own wild (and constantly changing) testimony? I'm not saying that he isn't guilty of conspiracy or even some greater crime, but I can't see any way Moussaoui can be convicted -- and possibly executed! -- on the basis of his own conflicting testimony. Seems to me there are just some folks who want SOMEONE, anyone to pay for 9-11 and since Moussaoui is the only warm body left, he'll do.

[xiamiam]

26. you're right...something is not right with this one...i was thinking that

hes just lying...why not...hes got nothing to lose...thinks he might become a martyr..who knows...i just dont think its true...

[TNOE]

29. HE WAS WEARING A STUN BELT

< http://www.total911.info/2006/03/msnbc-video-moussaoui-wore-stun-belt.html >



If you're looking for a reason why Zacarias Moussaoui suddenly testified today to a version of the 9/11 plotline that sounds more like the Official story than even the official Whitewash Commission report, this video may have the answer.

In it, NBC news reporter Pete Williams lets slip that Moussaoui is wearing a "Stun belt" underneath his clothing controlled by US Marshals. MSNBC host Dan Abrams gets some more details on the stun belt.

A taste of the exchange:
WILLIAMS: The old outbursts were gone... He was very docile today... We believe that he's wearing one of those stun belts, and it may be that he was very worried about doing anything that would cause those Marshals to press the button....

ABRAMS: A stun belt? They literally have sOmething around his waist? That they can push a button and?

WILLIAMS: Well...


Only in 21st-century Amerika!

[AngryAmish]

30. I'm not even sure there is a "Moussaoui"

There is no proof that he is not a robot.

[hadrons]

31. sounds like Moussaoui is inflating his importance ....

he knows he'll get life and he's nuts, so why not pretend to be the big wheel