Official NSA Spy Hearing Thread # 4

[liveoaktx]

Link to thread 3

[dogday]

1. Spector is the only Senator present?

[liveoaktx]

2. Wish Feingold was there

[dogday]

5. I just love to look at him

aren't I a bad girl? :evilgrin:

[The Witch]

3. Specter is interrupting this guy which is so rude

This guy is fighting back. Thank god for CAFP :)

[dogday]

8. Is Spector going to let this witness be a witness

or will he keep flapping his jaws????

[liveoaktx]

4. Halperin/Specter- Taking AG certification?

No, Administration must inform fully what program is.

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. ohhh...conflict from the get-go!

They keep talking about "the program". Let's talk about spying without a warrant. (period emphasized)

[liveoaktx]

7. Halperin- President cannot do survill UNLESS he goes to FISA

to get a warrant first.

[liveoaktx]

10. Halperin- Govt would argue that Congress has authorized this new

program IF it meets the standard in your legislation ... by its wording.

[Norquist Nemesis]

9. Specter said this part was going to be short

Looks like he's shutting it down from the start.

[liveoaktx]

14. Halperin going over the fine points of his bill- AG needs to certify

how relevant the people being spied on are, which looks like authorization of NSA spying program

[The Witch]

18. Specter is Mr. Interruption all of a sudden.

I wish he had cut off some of those bloviating judges when they were putting me to sleep.

[radio4progressives]

11. where are you guys watching this??

i have c-span and c-span 2 -

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. CSPAN 3 live feed

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

Biden just arrived.

[dogday]

16. Online link.......... Here it is

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[radio4progressives]

Thanks for the link, what is Time Warner CEO doing here?

[dogday]

From what I understand

they use some type of communications involving TW in wiretapping???? Maybe someone can enlighten further....

[rodeodance]

19. cspan 3 streaming video Real player.

[The Witch]

12. Tying in the Hamdan case. very relevant point

By Congress providing for judicial review of a program, the gov't argues, Congress is implicitly authorizing that program.

[rodeodance]

13. someone saying Specter bill actually authorizing the new PROGRAM

but Specter is dismissing him.

[liveoaktx]

17. Interesting isn't it? Is he trying to sneak this by the public?

[The Witch]

Undoubtedly, and the Hamdan case will have a big impact on this.

[rodeodance]

21. well, if he is, the public now knows, but who in power will notice?

[liveoaktx]

23. Well, those of us watching on Cspan... and not just on Cspan but on

the computer!

[liveoaktx]

20. Halp. Focus on what the AG has presented-WHY IS FISA NOT SUFFICIENT?

[liveoaktx]

22. If it's a time issue, give him additional time?

[liveoaktx]

Halp. Telephone companies wanted clear guidance (FISA)

otherwise FBI, NSA, etc in jeopardy of civil liberty violations and you also get LEAKS.

[rodeodance]

26. Hal. is basically saying what Kennedy said earlier.

[liveoaktx]

29. Important point about WHY the people leaked, because they

believed the President was illegally spying

[rodeodance]

30. The initial reason we got FISA is that a Pres. was illegally spying. GOT

IT. Mr. Specter?

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. Looks like Biden's up next

Hope he asks concise questions.

Please, Joe...

[The Witch]

28. Pray for brevity :grin:

[Sydnie]

25. Have to leave for work. Will check the threads later

I hope they replay this later too.

thanks for taking notes for those of us that can't be here ...

:grouphug:

[The Witch]

27. bai sydnie

:hi: take care :hi:
:hug:

[liveoaktx]

31. KRIS- (Telecomm) believes NSA program violates the law!!!!

[liveoaktx]

34. Kris(Time Warner) Consider legislation to authorize and regulate NSA

[The Witch]

32. Oh! Surprise! Time Warner guy testifying as an individual - on our side!

:wow:

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. My jaw hit the floor!

Constitutional crisis; Pres broke law; spying unconstitutional...

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[The Witch]

39. wish I could see his legislation. can't wait to see the details.

And remember, this is a corporate dude. He likely has M-O-N-E-Y.

[Norquist Nemesis]

43. Time-Warner's bank account is not ambulance chaser level. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Wow! That Time-Warner guy sure has some hefty connections

from past government positions.

But wow oh wow!!! He says Pres broke the law and what we're looking at is a Constitutional crisis.

[rodeodance]

35. Witness sees this as a 'constitutional moment"--the separation of powers

[liveoaktx]

38. I'm pleasantly surprised- wish he'd talk about the technical issues

of this as well.

[rodeodance]

42. will be interesting to see how Senators respond

[helderheid]

37. this is AMAZING!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

41. Surprised and amazed Specter hasn't cut him off yet.

Oh, but he's throwing kisses to Specter on his bill.

[liveoaktx]

44. Somebody tell me -are their TWO bills? Specter's and Dewine's?

Seems to me that Specter doesn't like the congressional oversight to intell committee that Dewine Hatch propose.

[Norquist Nemesis]

47. I'm still trying to catch up on the "advisory opinion" that

Specter keeps referring to. "Advisory" warrants? :shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. Apparently there are two

They keep talking about "the other bill".

[liveoaktx]

51. I know what Dewine's TRAVESTy seeks to do which is to have

Congress do oversight of the program instead of sending it to a court... only if the INtel committee (and possibly others) decide to forward it IF they think someone has been spied upon wrongly, would it then go to a court. Specter is against this.

So it appears that, despite newspaper accounts, Congress has NOT agreed upon Dewine's bill.

[liveoaktx]

40. Kris- Specter's bill specific and concrete vehicle for extended debate

[rodeodance]

45. 'extended debate" is key.

[babylonsister]

46. Just tuned in for a minute; why isn't something of this

much importance being aired on CSPAN 1 or 2? Jeeze... priorities...

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. Republicans control the cameras

Not sure if they also control the programming, too.

[liveoaktx]

54. I imagine it will be played again tonight on regular tv

[napi21]

58. I think cspan has a contractural obligation to cover the House &

Senate while they are in session, so 1 & 2 are committed. I suspect you might see this hearing reaired on one of them either tonight or later in the week. They do that a lot.

[liveoaktx]

48. Specter-Congress would authorize FISA to review Bush's program

not authorizing the program per se, not about to authorize it, don't know what it is. IMO not the function of the Intel subcommittee.

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. Biden to Specter..."Keep going!"

Hunh! That's a first.

[The Witch]

53. Biden won't let Specter weasel out of difficult position

Mahahaha.

[liveoaktx]

55. Going to make a 5th thread-link in a moment

[BuyingThyme]

56. Good start, Joe.

[wtmusic]

57. Halperin has isolated the issue perfectly

Regardless of what legislation is passed: if the President argues he has powers above and beyond it, it is useless.

[The Witch]

59. Biden: thinks Intel Committee should be censured. thinks Congress

is not doing its job and is retreating from the "battlefield" and not holding admin to oversight despite its utter lack of credibility

[LeftCoast]

60. Locking

Please continue in thread 5