Let's Annex the whole country of Mexico!

[Joanne98]

Let's make it a Commonwealth of the US! Then Americans can move down there, drive real estate prices thru the roof! We'll develope all the beach front properties and we will hire workers from CENTRAL AMERICA to do the jobs Mexicans won't do. Or an even better idea! We'll bring millions of immigrants from CHINA over to do the work Mexicans won't do!
Oh I took a poll at the factory I work at today! the question was, "Do you think Bush should be impeached if he gets his immigration program passed". Almost EVERYBODY raised their hand. I haven't seen people so furious since NAFTA was passed!

[mattclearing]

1. Well, it's a better idea than anything else I've heard.

Dunno how the Mexicans will feel about it, though.

[Joanne98]

2. How could they not like "hard working" Chinese paying their

taxes and doing the work they won't do? I'm sure they'll LOVE IT!

[Ignacio Upton]

3. I call Baja California!

And the sprawl that we'll build there will make "Alta California" look tame :D
:sarcasm:

[Joanne98]

9. We ARE moving there....

Revenge of the Americans.....



Americans Stake Claims in a Baja Land Rush

By TIM WEINER
FOREIGN DESK
The New York Times
Published: October 26, 2003, Sunday

NOPALÓ, Mexico -- Slowly but surely, acre by acre, Mexico's Baja Peninsula is becoming an American colony.

''For Sale'' signs are sprouting all over the 800-mile-long peninsula, offering thousands of beachfront properties. Americans are snapping them up. They have already created communities where the dollar is the local currency, English the main language and Americans the new immigrants transforming an old culture.

''Everything's for sale, every lot you can imagine,'' said Alfonso Gavito, director of a cultural institute in La Paz, the capital of Baja California Sur, a state with 400,000 citizens and some of the last undeveloped beaches in North America. ''It's like 20 years of changes have happened in three months.''

This new land rush, involving billions of dollars, tens of thousands of Americans, and hundreds of miles of coastline, is gaining speed despite the fact that Mexico's Constitution bars foreigners from directly owning land by the sea.

Mexico's government wants foreign capital as much as Americans want a house on the beach -- maybe more. So it worked around the Constitution. In 1997, it changed the law to allow foreign ownership through locally administered land trusts. A Mexican bank acts as trustee, the foreigner its beneficiary.

It took about four years before that new system worked smoothly. But now, most often, it does. One result has been a boom in migration, speculation and permanent vacation. ''It's human greed -- it's human nature,'' said David Halliburton, who owns a hotel outside Cabo San Lucas, on Baja's southern tip, where uncontrolled growth already strains the social fabric. ''The amount of money coming in here through overzealous developers and buyers is staggering.''

Uncontrolled growth is straining the social fabric! Gee, what a bummer!

[Bridget Burke]

4. We already stole half of Mexico.

Look up the Mexican War, 1846-1848.

[Joanne98]

5. How many Mexicans lived there in 1846 do you think?

[Ignacio Upton]

26. Less than 100,000, and I don't think that counts Native Americans

In fact, the Mexcian government encouraged Anglos to move to Texas in order to develop the otherwise sparsely populated area.

[Bridget Burke]

28. And then the Texians rebelled against Mexico.

Mostly because Mexico had made slavery illegal.

Ain't Manifest Destiny wonderful!

[Ignacio Upton]

30. They also tried to convert them to Catholicism

(most of the settlers were Protestant and refused) and many of the people who fought against Santa Anna were Spanish-speaking Tejanos. There were Mexicans who fought for the American side during the Mexican War, and there were also Americans (well, technically Irish immigrants) who fought with Mexico, and they were called the San Patricios. There were Mexicans in other parts of the country (Mexico) that also wanted to break away. The Yucatan peninsula briefly formed its own independent country during the same period, and their flag was loosely based on ours.
BTW, America wasn't the only country that had designs on the southwest. Russia repeatedly tried to settle parts of the California coast during the 18th Century, and the British considered purchasing San Francisco (or the bay that became San Francisco.) The southwestern region of the period was a sparsely-populated region with few Mexican citizens, and quite a few Indian tribes, who themselves didn't always get along with the Mexicans, especially the white Spanish-descendant "Padres" in California.

[Bridget Burke]

39. Mexican land grants required settlers to be Catholic.

The settlers agreed, but many were lying. (Just as some brought in slaves, although slavery was illegal in Mexico.) Nobody was punished. Quite a few Real Catholics did settle here.

The Tejanos who fought for Texas--& survived--were "rewarded" with persecution by the Anglo Texans. We had missions in Texas, as well. Good or bad, they created a culture that remains highly influential in Texas. (Who invented ranching?) Have you ever been to San Antonio?

I know about the Mexican War & the San Patricios. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo guaranteed property & civil rights to Mexicans living in the lands that Santa Ana (merciless in victory, craven in defeat) ceded to the US. If there were relatively few living there, does that make it OK that the Treaty terms were broken by US settlers?

[Jack from Charlotte]

21. So I'm thinking they won't miss the other half. *

*

[kurth]

6. It is a very potent issue, and it seems some Democrats would rather

fight for foreigners than for their blue-collar American brethren.

[Bridget Burke]

7. It seems some "Democrats" would rather support a Republican bill.

Although it may not be tuff enuff!

[Cobalt Violet]

10. And then wonder what happened after the election.

They'll say "What can we do to get the blue collar vote?" They never really seam to learn.

[Cleita]

12. I fight for all blue collar brethren regardless of their race

or nationality. It's not a nationality issue in my book.

[coalition_unwilling]

13. Si, se puede. Workers of the world unite (n/t)

[blondeatlast]

20. See this post--you'll like it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=769211&mesg_id=776044

[Joanne98]

14. They're afraid of being called racist. Just like they're afraid of

being called unpatriotic. They're just afraid.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Better yet, let's give...

Texas back to Mexico.

It ain't doin' us much good lately, and it'll give Mexicans a Mexican state to run to for jobs.

[Joanne98]

15. That's a good idea!

[Jack from Charlotte]

22. Great idea...... Then we can make AWOL/moron leave the country....

and apply for entry like all other Mexicans who wish to enter.

[coalition_unwilling]

11. And Iraq while we're at it (we'll need lebensraum for all our

concentration camps for undocumented workers :)

[harpo]

16. that would cost more than what we are doing in Iraq...no thanks

you have ANY idea how much money it would take to just put government and city offices all over mexico? No way jose...

[Joanne98]

17. The US Chamber of Commerce, the Wall Street Banks AND

The Vatican are FOR Bush's amnesty program. Just in case you're wondering!

[mitchtv]

27. USCC is for Arnold , too, Vatican also are fascists

So what

[Name removed]

29. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BrotherBuzz]

18. Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico gave up...

on that idea

Emperor Norton took the title "Protector of Mexico" because Mexico had, as he said, "beseeched him to rule over her." But this didn´t last long, he soon dropped his new title with the explanation that it was "impossible to protect such an unsettled nation."



http://home.swipnet.se/~w-40977/coolpeople/norton.html

[bridgit]

19. cool, Belize here i come...

:woohoo:

[blondeatlast]

23. I'm right behind you and I'll buy the first round! nt

[bridgit]

37. ^_^

:hi:

[AzDar]

24. Screw that! From the looks of those rallies..Mexico's annexed US!!!

[Cleita]

25. I think it was tried once. It didn't work out very well.

I really wish our country would negotiate a real solution with Mexico. First we need to get them to make labor laws like ours that establishes minimum wages, and other labor reforms They need to make parents send their kids to school at least through high school. If they increase literacy, Mexican laborers won't be forced into a lifetime of poverty.

They need to have public schools for this. I don't know if they do, but the number of illiterate Mexicans I met in LA makes me think they don't. For sure the whole family is put to work as soon as they are able because the coolie wages makes it necessary for kids in poor families to work.

Then we would have to give them aid to put these reforms into place a sort of Marshall Plan for Mexico. If the poor Mexicans have a good life in Mexico, they won't want to come here, even if we beg them.

[Bridget Burke]

41. There are public schools in Mexico, but the system has problems.

It's dreadful that there's any illiteracy, but don't judge all Mexicans by the ones that you've met. I think the Cuban educational system is a better model than ours, though.

Let's get our own labor reforms online before we start preaching to Mexico.

[Cleita]

48. Yes, but then the Amerikanskis will keep complaining about

having to provide health care and schools for them and their children. "My tax dollars blah, blah and blah." Considering that the majority do pay taxes, I don't know where that reasoning comes from. Well, I do, but Skinner won't let the word be said.

[lonestarnot]

31. You trying to give bushitler ideas?

[Joanne98]

32. I'm getting DRUNK!

[demosincebirth]

33. First we will have to see if its OK with Mexico.

[KansDem]

35. We can just invade and claim to be "spreading annexation around..."

:shrug:

just an idea...

[demosincebirth]

36. Yea, and we have our history as a precedent

[KansDem]

34. We could call it "Newer New Mexico"

We could do the same with Canada and call it "Norther North Dakota."

[Minnesota Libra]

38. Hey, might be something to consider................

........tell Mexico we give amnesty to anyone here right now. No further requirements for citizenship required IF AND ONLY IF Mexico will put up with a few million Chinese flooding their borders every year, taking over their jobs, and taking over their country.:bounce:

You should run for Ambassador to Mexico!!

[CanonRay]

40. We may not be in the streets, but

we will sure remember this in November!

[Bridget Burke]

42. Yet another "voting" threat.

Since the Republican plan prompted most of the protests, does that mean you'll be voting Republican?

[CanonRay]

43. If I heard of a sensible Republican reform plan

I might. I haven't heard of one yet. From either side. We sure can't keep going the way we are.

[Bridget Burke]

44. Why is this suddenly a CRISIS?

Aside from a good way for Republicans to divide....

[mondo joe]

45. Bifurcation is a logical fallacy.

And one you keep repeating.

All Democratic candidates are not identical. And there are many ways to deal with immigration.

[Bridget Burke]

46. Well, I was replying to a poster who WOULD vote for a Republican....

And this issue is what will turn him.

[mondo joe]

47. You must know something outside what that poster said in his or her

post then, because I didn't see anything about voting Republican.

And in another thread you did the same to me - accusing me of being a Republican for saying I'd let my vote do my protesting for me.

[Jawja]

49. Yes. See my attempt at this

topic earlier, except for an offer of statehood:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=783687&mesg_id=783687