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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:52 PM
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Female pedophile numbers reported

Female pedophile numbers reported
From: AAP
News.Com.Au

March 07, 2006


THE number of female pedophiles preying on children in care is much higher than previously thought with many of the abusers babysitters, nannies, nuns and teachers, a new study has found.

The report, by peak child protection group Child Wise, found female sexual predators are responsible for six per cent of all reported cases of sexual abuse against children, according to News Limited newspapers.

The study also found that while there was no definitive profile of female abusers, those known to have molested children were women in positions of authority, including babysitters and nannies and even nuns and teachers.

The research showed most females who abused children did so alone and that women were less likely than men to be prosecuted for their crimes.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18375385-29277,00.html

Wonder why less likely to be prosecuted?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:55 PM
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1. I'm happy enough to deal with 94% of the problem first....
... and them worry about "reverse-sexism" issues after.

ROFL - 6%!

If only Laura "8 days" Ingraham could've been the one to report it.
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SYNERCHOSIS Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:06 AM
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47. Nice!
ROFL - 6%!

Glad to hear you don't care about 6% of children being molested, how about dealing with ALL of them instead of giving 6% a free pass??
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:17 AM
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49. Hi SYNERCHOSIS!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:58 PM
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2. Because teenage boys are less likely to complain.
And because largely male prosecutors and police are likely to think that the boy was "lucky" to have "gotten some".
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:01 PM
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3. I was under the impression that that wasn't considerd pedophila...
... I thought pedophila referred to *pre-pubescent* kids... and that anything else (up to the age of consent I guess) would be considered "with a minor" or somethin like that...

Is that how it works? Or some other way?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:04 PM
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5. pedophilia is also a sociopathic personality disorder
like a serial rapist. It is possible to molest children, have sex with teenagers (which is still legally and morally wrong), and not be a pedophile. Like... getting into a fight a shooting someone is not the same as being Ted Bundy.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:10 AM
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48. um wrong
pedophilia is about sexual attraction and assault of pre-pubescent boys or girls. Rape, incest and sexual assault are different. No less serious, but different.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:21 PM
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16. Depends on the Statistics
One of the problem with the Catholic Church was the number of Priest who had sex with people between the age of 14 and 18. With 51 percent of the victims were 11 to 14 years old and 27 percent were 15 to 17 years old (Which totals as 78% with most of the reminder being over 17 and just a few below age 11).

For more see:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex8.htm
http://www.americancatholic.org/News/ClergySexAbuse/
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/
http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/nt030504b.htm
http://www.americancatholic.org/news/clergysexabuse/USCCB-Dallas_Friday.asp
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:03 PM
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4. Now there is a flaming word you used :)
"Complain" Grabbing some popcorn and waiting this one out ;)

Here is what you will hear:
"Complain? So reporting rape is complaining?" and so on.

Just trying to help ya out. Got some weemies I can roast in the flames?

One must also ask, given that what you say is accurate, how many report it in first place and is 6% a much smaller number than reality?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:06 PM
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6. DU'rs, time to put them on...

Cuz, it's about to get HOT IN HERE!!

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:09 PM
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7. I'll get it hot, just need to find that photo of myself
LOL, ok so it would be more like the artic pre-global warming. But I can hope someday I will be hot (yeah, like when they cremate me...)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:15 PM
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8. When you approach police about a crime, ANY crime...
...you file a complaint. I don't make the words, I just use them.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:22 PM
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9. But the act *filing a complaint* is NOT normally called "complaining"...
... hence you used the wrong word. And obviously so.

The only question a person might have is: was it deliberate and baiting, or was it accidental?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:07 PM
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11. I'm laughing at you.
Because that is SUCH a ridiculous statement.

I used the word intentionally and CORRECTLY to mean a police complaint.

Not that you will see this in your politically correct fog.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:19 PM
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13. Your reaction to reality is your business....
Here's more grist for your unreality: people who file police complaints are not standardly called "complainers".

Have fun! If you take a break from the fun, you might want to pass the time with a good English book!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=complainant&btnG=Google+Search
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:24 PM
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14. No, they are complaintants.
I never called them complainers. YOU did.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:37 AM
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23. They're Also Called "Complaining Witnesses"
Who have filed a complaint. Your usage was proper - seems someone is looking for a fight.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:14 AM
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17. Wrong
Word usage was absolutely correct.

You'd prefer he used "gripe," maybe?

Oy!

Sometimes I think I understand why our side so routinely gets our ass handed to us by the other side.

We play checkers. They play chess.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #9
18. well, the second definition under complain is
"to make a formal accusation or bring a formal charge," which fits with his usage.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:59 AM
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31. I think it's pretty useless to argue about the semantics
I think it was quite obvious that the word "complain" was used in the context of filing a complaint to the police. The poster was not belittling rape victims.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:58 PM
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10. You must've learned about this issue by watching Jay Leno. nt
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:08 PM
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12. Who? nt
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:38 AM
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29. That was just a joke.
Jay Leno is the host of the Tonight Show, the American late evening variety show. He opens with a ten-minute monologue, telling jokes about politics and entertainment stories of the day. Whenever a news story happens involving a sexual scandal involving a female teacher and a school boy, he is certain to make a joke to the effect that he wished he had a teacher like that when he was a boy.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #29
46. Ah!
I know who he is, but I have never watched him. I almost totally stopped watching TV over two decades ago, except for the weather channel and maybe a space launch or two, and I have not missed it.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
62. What a drag...Then you too must know the Weather Channel
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 04:43 PM by LaPera
is fucking wrong so much of the year it's not dependable, (at least their future forecast, where I live in N California).

I quit watching all news & news shows a week before the illegal invasion and haven't watched them since...although I have peeked at Olbermann...

I agree completely with your first post on this thread...I believe most boys do not complain when a woman is out of line sexually...other boys think it's cool...others think the kid should be fucking happy it happened -- indeed we have different standards in our culture when it comes to dealing with gender and sex. (Though, we pretend not to).
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:10 PM
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15. Um, I have to second the 1st response...
6% versus 94%...

I wonder which represents a greater cultural problem?

94% is an epidemic. 6% is a deviant extreme minority.

Both should be prosecuted, but to say that these numbers are in any way equal is just silly.

Nice try though.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:07 AM
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21. Did you even bother to read the text?
"94% is an epidemic."

An epidemic? Of what? I could have 94% of a pie, but that's not an epidemic of pies. The figure of 94% represents nothing in terms of quantity, only division. More to the point, the numbers are far higher than 6% if you think about it. Look at the article, note that they're talking about reported cases, and then note where they say that almost none of the female offenders are even reported.

And kindly imagine how you would feel if the numbers were reversed, and a man were saying "Oh, these few guys who are raping children aren't that big a problem, we really only need to deal with the perverse women." I suspect you'd be spitting blood.

There are some of us who've spent a considerable amount of effort to spread awareness of female sex offenders. These are people who can literally operate with impunity, do anything to any child, specifically because social attitudes brush them off and pretend that they don't exist.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:36 AM
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38. its also about Australia...
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 08:39 AM by salin
unless it is elsewhere on the thread, this gives us no information about stats in the US, epidemic level or not.

I would agree, however, there is a tendency to brush off the reality of female offenders - put the brush-off denial into three categories - if a teen boy is involved there are the "gee don't most teen boys "want it"?" which completely blows away the issues of age of consent/power issues and what damage can be wrought to a teen (male or female); there is also the "pure mother" image of women where some just can not fathom that such a woman can be a perp; and then there is shame of victims to come forward as is also the case with female victims.

All that said, I think this thread is flame-bait. It is a short item - about Australia - with numbers that don't reflect the stridency of the thread title (again not to claim that it isn't an issue - but when things are framed as "epidemic" - it seems more to be an attempt to get emotions and gut-reactions flowing rather than to start an actual conversation per real issues.

Correction on edit - the op did not claim 'epidemic level'. Sorry for that mischaracterization.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 06:53 AM
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26. Probably the same cultural problem represented by these stats
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 06:54 AM by theHandpuppet
VIOLENT CRIMES -- statistics by gender

"By gender, 76.2 percent of arrests in 2004 were of males. Males accounted for 82.1 percent of the total number of arrestees for violent crimes..." http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/index.html

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN

(U.S. STATISTICS)

Fact #1: 17.6 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 21.6% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 32.4% were between the ages of 12 and 17. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #2: 64% of women who reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked since age 18 were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, or date. (Full Report of the Prevalance, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #3: Only about half of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. African-American women are more likely than others to report their victimization to police Lawrence A. Greenfeld et al. (1998). (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice. NCJ #167237. Available from National Criminal Justice Reference Service.)

Fact #4: The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

More at http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html

DOMESTIC HOMICIDE

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day...

Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause, and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND CHILDREN

In a national survey of more than 6,000 American families, 50 percent of the men who frequently assaulted their wives also frequently abused their children...

MORE at http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

Guys, we need to have a serious national debate on why there is such a cultural problem of violence among men. This tragedy is epidemic and yet no one seems to want to talk about the elephant not only sitting in the living room, but tearing it apart.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #15
42. I would call it a pandemic
or endemic in their character.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 02:13 AM
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19. Do you post this stuff as flamebait, or what? nt
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:17 PM
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50. I take it you're implying
That posting this news story is sexist? Please explain.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:39 PM
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54. Sorry, I'm not taking the bait. nt
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. You're not "taking the bait" because you don't have an explanation
Ideological purity must be maintained.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 02:11 PM
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57. That's not it
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 02:27 PM by Marie26
Dammit, I'm taking the bait. I'm not into ideological purity, but I can't help noticing when certain posters continually post a certain type of article, that seems calculated to inspire a certain kind of response. I've got no problem w/the article from Australia, but I do wonder why this is something that was selected at this time, that's all. Topics started by the OP within the last month:

Tom Cruise in birth control - reminds wife of vow of silence during birth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=774500

Alleged Gang Rape Victim Recants Accusations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=729300

Sexual Assaults up in Military - "our programs are working"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=706068

Wife-beheader wants freedom - Not in Jail anymore, but wants more freedom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=686943

Police: Found Fetuses Were Woman's 'Self-Abortions'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=679389

Waiting Period to terminate pregnancy of minor/notify parents:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=662818

Strippers Force Way Into Home, Rob Man (on his way to bible class...)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=648371

Woman found not guilty after shooting her X husband
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=652864

Girl In Golf-Club Attack Over Boy To Go Free
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=621969

Ohio Mother Accused Of Dragging Children Back Into Fire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=626023

AMA warning girls not to go wild during spring break
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=603738

This story makes little sense to me......... Woman arrested after fake bomb found
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=613096

Federal agency sues Hooters over waitress with MS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=610248

Victim refuses to watch video of her rape, judge threatens to charge her
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=571905

Man Charged With Raping, Killing 7-Month-Old Niece
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=648190

Are people that like sex between 3 yr olds redeemable?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=637920

Teacher Resigns Over School Play Flap - smoking/drinking/kissing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=694723

Teacher faces trial in secret tapings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=637766

Children's Therapist Charged With Molestation And Posting Porn On Web
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=625992

Internet prank results in Fontana man's sex crime arrest
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=597758

Nipple Pincher Gets Juvenile Detention, community service, fine
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=569720

Police: Teen Burned Alive Over Pregnancy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=565236

Incest is OK biblically - dad
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=569858

Is this guy serious? If so, I wonder if anyone else agrees with him.... Incest is best
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=569942

`Fugitive' lawyer arrested -rented 2 underage girls for sex from their mom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=566062

Whew! And that's only the topics that were started in GD this month. What is this poster's agenda? I don't know - you tell me.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. I won't assume what the OP's intention is
But the only common denominator through all these threads is that they have to do with sexual behavior. Some of the threads do portray negative stereotypes of women, perhaps, but not all.

But lets look at one that does and the couple of responses it got

Alleged Gang Rape Victim Recants Accusations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The two responses to this thread assume that the woman recanted because she did not want to have to testify at trial. They obviously didn't even bother to read the story, or they would have seen this:

On Tuesday, an attorney for one of the suspects presented Sacramento police detectives with evidence refuting the victim's orginal rape claims. The attorney had several cell phone video clips and a CD showing the alleged victim and alleged suspects participating in what appeared to be consensual sex acts. It was revealed the woman had received $4,000 for her involvement in the video clips.

Do rapes go under-reported? Yes. Is the court process hard on acusers? Yes. But the absolute denial that a woman can lie about a rape in these responses is astonishing. Sort of like the ones trying to start a fight in this thread.

It's the "don't show me this because it doesn't fit into my neat and tidy worldview" syndrome. And the only response that can be made is to attack the messenger.


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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. I get that sense too.
Look at how I was attacked over using the correct word for what I meant to convey? That was not based on what I said, or, indeed on any knowledge of what the actual English word for the concept was, but upon a desire to create an issue in which I was supposedly belittling rape victims. (And dishonestly so, I think, as the person then tried to put words in my mouth.)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. I believe the OP also helped out on that one:
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 04:25 PM by Marie26
In response to your post: "Now there is a flaming word you used :)

"Complain." Grabbing some popcorn and waiting this one out. ;-) Here is what you will hear: "Complain? So reporting rape is complaining?" and so on. Just trying to help ya out. Got some weemies I can roast in the flames?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=788903&mesg_id=788995
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I thought this was about the OP's intentions?
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 03:50 PM by Marie26
Uh, Mongo, we're not talking about the responses, we're talking about the OP's intentions in posting these threads. Nice try at diverting the issue, though. The common pattern is violence, "evil women" (such as the one you cited, making "fake rape allegations") or pedophilia. Are these threads conducive to healthy, rational debate or emotional flame wars? What would posses someone to post 20+ threads about these things? I don't know; I do have an opinion, though, which I will not share. I'm just posting the evidence so people can make up their own minds. You are free to reach whatever conclusion you wish.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. I'm sorry, posting the news is now something I have to justify?
I used to be a cop, such stories as crime, etc, interest me.

Here's a tip, don't reply. If flame wars erupt, ask yourself why. Perhaps it is because some things need discussed a bit more.

I frequent a lot of news sites, some more than others. If I see a story I think is interesting I post it to share. I have no agenda.

If you don't like what I post, put me on ignore like my X wife probably did :)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. Will do. n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. You missed the bible angle
I do google searches in news on bible and christian and such things. Had nothing to do with women.

Also, being a victim of sexual abuse I tend to zero on stories revolving around those.

Of course I do post articles on the goverment and what a sham it is, but no one reads or replies to those.

With the glut of subjects that we have hundreds of threads on I like to hone in on the angle I have known best over the years, the criminal mind and element, and how we as a society deal with it.

I could post more bush bashing threads, but I think we have that covered real well here.....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:54 AM
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20. Simple answer
There's a broad perception in the general public that females can't be sex offenders. Because of this, female molesters are almost never reported on, when reports do occur they're almost never followed up on, and if they are followed up on the chances of a conviction are almost zero. Only in the most patently obvious of cases is a conviction practical. And yes, part of the problem is the broad perception that it's impossible for a male to not consent to sexual activities, or that any sexual interaction with a woman must be pleasing to a male. In that way, it's not very different from the idea that a rape victim must have been "asking for it."

While this article is a bit of vindication for those of us who've been beating this drum for awhile, even the numbers cited here are far lower than reality. Remember that they say six percent of REPORTED cases. When you factor in how much less likely a female abuser is to be reported, the percentage of actual abuse is likely closer to 25%. That's a ballpark estimate, of course, but hard data is difficult to produce. It may be more, it may be less. But I wouldn't bet on less than 20%.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:31 AM
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22. If the molester is a hot blond teacher, she'll get a made-for-TV moive
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 04:31 AM by U4ikLefty
...and the young victim will be known as a "lucky kid" on the late-night show.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 05:34 AM
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24. News Flash! Read all about it! SOMETIMES WOMEN DO IT TOO!!!
well duh ...

How about, "News Flash! Read all about it! Ninety-six% of pedophiles are male!!
or
News Flash! Read all about it! Six% of what our government tells up is truthful!!!

Personally, I don't care which way it's put, except that the way a thread is titled here can be very revealing as to the intentions of the original poster.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 05:39 AM
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25. Read the article again.
6% is just the reported cases.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:27 AM
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27. Female sex offenders are just as guilty as males, but...
it's certainly flamebait intended to ignite yet another DU gender war.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:34 AM
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28. Agreed -- I'm hiding this thread
I'm sincerely tired of all of the sexist, racist SHIT I've seen on here the last few weeks. Sickening.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:30 AM
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36. You hide from threads that upset you?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:42 AM
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40. "Wow... just wow"
What gives you the right to post that about me? Ben, I generally like your posts, but that was uncalled for and judgmental. I rarely hide threads, but sometimes it's an overload on my system. As a women, I can only take so much sexist, misogynist SHIT... I have to dael with it every single day in my life, and seeing it on DU makes me sick. An occasional thread I can handle, but not a barrage. It hurts my soul too much. Sometimes you have to back off.

Would you tell a black person they it's "wow" that they can't stand reading one more thread that continually denigrates them? After seeing 50 in a month? Or more? What if on MLK Day there were several nasty ant-black/MLK threads allowed, all by whites saying how this pissed them off? Doesn't happen here, but on International Women's Day, it did. Ogh... you don't have to do that, because that's' not allowed on DU...

Just like these Bircher threads right now -- I can only take so much of them.

So, I suggest you back off and apologize. Seriously. This was self righteous, judgmental, and uncalled for. And I am very surprised you wrote it, because you're a poster I respect, even if I don't always agree with you. Ajnd, if you EVER read what I post, you know I'm one of teh first to go toe-to-toe with people over certain topics.

Not that I owe you an explanation.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:47 AM
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41. I just don't understand that is all.
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 09:35 AM by benburch
That is just totally the opposite of how I see the world.

I seek out the threads that upset me the most.

I figure the more upset I am the more I need to be there.

And I *do* apologize. That was snarky.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 10:30 AM
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:26 PM
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52. Sooooo....
Any news story that doesn't paint women as saints is "flamebait"?

It's only flamebait if you take the bait.... and it's obvious who is looking for fights in this thread.

The article, and the snippet posted clearly says that it is ONLY 6% of the total problem, but as these statistics are not generally known, it is newsworthy.

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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:21 PM
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51. Um, the thread title is the title of the fucking article!
Get a grip.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:54 PM
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69. The title is not mine, it is what the article was titled
How should I have titled it to please you?

It was simply of study to determine the statistics of a segment of criminal (abusers in this case). Not a rare thing at all to have done. It is not bashing women or men in general, it attempts to define what roles give the most avenues for sexual offenders. Women are less likely to do this type of crime and it has been shown also that boys are less likely to report such a crime.

It is an interesting window into some segments of society and had the article been about male sex offenders I would have posted that as well (I did not go looking for one on females, it came up in a google news search on pedophiles as I have one living across the street from me who just moved back here I looked up news on it).

I did not know I needed to explain the stories I posted here or the headlines (and not the first time someone has questioned me about a headline - I generally use the one that came with the story).

I found it interesting as crime is something I have an interest in. You don't, and thats fine. I don't read threads here I don't want to read. No else has to either.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:50 AM
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30. Including a 18-y-o woman with a 15-y-o boyfriend.
In Indianapolis.
We're not talking a 30-y-o "hottie" banging her 14-y-o student here.

One day, you're 17 years old and a child. The next day, you're 18, an adult, and while you can be drafted to die for your president and vote, you're now a criminal if your ESSO is under 16.

"Sorry, Jenny, we have to break-up now, because what we have is FORBIDDEN love!"
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:07 AM
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32. Yeah I think that's completely.
In Canada, there is a buffer zone. I'm not too sure anymore of the exact details, but I do know that our newly elected neo-con Fundy government is aiming to seriously narrow the buffer.

Asswipes.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:31 AM
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43. I heard your new PM Harper the other day.
And he sounded EXACTLY like Rumsferatu. Why did you folks go Neo-con? Aren't we a good enough example of what happens when the Neo-Con Fundies take over?
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:55 AM
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44. Cause the Liberals were fuckin' corrupted.
That's what explains it. A lot of the people who switched their vote to the Cons did it simply to vote against the Liberals, not because they agree with Harper's policies.

Also, Harper has managed to make himself look like a moderate in the eyes of a lot of people. That's just not true, but he won't show his true colours until he gets a parliamentary majority.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:19 AM
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33. so this story is about statistics in Australia?
The story is from an Australian paper, and doesn't say that that the study is about another country (eg the US) - so have to assume this is about stats in Australia.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:25 AM
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34. That was my reading. nt
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:29 AM
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35. eh...
can't help but being snarky.... but I don't think many of the posts above caught that little fact.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:33 AM
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37. Or they assume that it is the same everywhere.
Which I really don't believe is the case.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:37 AM
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39. my opinion
flame bait - that worked - folks so worked up they aren't reading the item and realizing it is about Australia, not the US. Note - there is no discussion about wondering what the situation is like in the US, noone digging up research studies to see if it is worse or better here... I would say it is a "Mission Accomplished" thread. Just my humble opinion.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:39 PM
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53. Of course we have women pedophiles. It's sadly logical.
I'm not a professional, I'm just speaking of what I've learned from our information stream.

People who are victimized as children grow up to become victimizers. Boys and girls alike are victimized by pedophiles. These children grow up to become adults and often become victimizers themselves.

But what does that lower percentage of female pedophiles really say?

Is it that boys are victimized far more often than girls? Not hardly.

Is it that boys are less likely to seek/receive treatment, counseling, support? Possibly.

Is it that women act out on their childhood victimization differently than men do? I'm inclined to think so.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:40 PM
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55. 6% is highly the biggest problem. 94% kinda is.
:eyes:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 06:18 PM
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63. The point is, I think, that 6% was a surprisingly large number.
And that it represents only reported cases with such things being perhaps vastly underreported.

And as there is little focus on the problem, there may be children being abused in silence and without help.

At least, that's MY point, whatever the OP intended.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:02 PM
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64. i think all child abuse is under rated
so its proportionally underrated

dont get me wrong female pedophiles are not exempt from my hatred, i just think 6% is a relatively low number to get all worked up about.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:40 PM
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65. I agree with this.
But unless planners and law enforcement factor this in, and begin to actually prosecute these cases, there will be disproportionate harm done to the victims of female pedophiles.

And it is about the victims, no?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 10:40 PM
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66. yes it is.
i dont think the gender of the person matters...its heinous either way
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 12:56 PM
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70. I was surprised it was such a small percentage, myself
I agree that it's vastly under reported.
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