Illegal Hiring

[SHRED]

Undocumented laborers.
Corporatists love them.
They drive down wages, increase profits, bust unions, and destroy that pesky middle class.
A Republican's wet dream.

You will never see strong employer criminal penalties for hiring.
Ain't gonna happen.
They have bought our Congress, especially the Repubs.

No, they want us to play into rascism, blame the Mexicans and spend more tax dollars on "border security" as a distraction to look less and less at employer sanctions.
More "border control" money means more departments, more bureaucrats, more cops, more promotions, more no-bid contracts, and less protection.

A means for checking work permits and valid citizenship plus felony criminal penalties for hiring illegally, are the only two solutions I see at this time.

[DS1]

1. If The GOP wants to crack down on illegal workers, they need only

to stop by their local Wal*Mart.



And we know THAT AIN'T HAPPENIN!

[hexola]

2. Why dont they just legalize slavery...

Thats pretty much whats happening...

[Aimah]

3. I think the issue is a distraction.

Aside from the every day war and Bushisms. I think in terms of labor the outsourcing issue is a bigger problem. Those illegal Mexican workers often pay taxes but they don't benefit for getting their overpayment's back. They usually work jobs that were lower paying before they were targeted to work in them. The outsourced jobs are often higher paying jobs. Jobs that paid $22,000-$40,000 a year are going to people who make less than $6,000 overseas and they don't pay any taxes.

[Cobalt Violet]

5. Not to the blue collar workers it's not.

I'll care about your outsourcing problem when you care about my insourcing problem.

[Aimah]

6. The missing link is "outsourcing"

There are no "your" and "my" issues. They are our issues. In in-sourcing there is still an option to accept those jobs although you will have to accept lower pay. Outsourcing you have no options, your job is gone. In not negating "your issue" I'm just saying it's not the biggest issue on the block right now.

[QC]

8. One's perspective on this issue has to do with one's class.

Nobody, other than Michael Moore and a few other old-fashioned labor lefties, gave a shit when blue-collar jobs were being shipped out of the country by the millions, but when tech jobs started getting exported, well, that was the greatest evil in all of human history.

Things just aren't important until they affect middle class professionals, I guess. Then they assume cosmic significance.

[doc03]

4. Back in the early 20th Century they did the same thing

as today, they brought in the Italians, Irish, Polish etc. and played everyone against each other to keep wages down just as they do today. The difference back then it backfired on the robber barons the ignorant Italians, Irish, Polish etc. organized into unions and created the middle class. Today Americans just seem to take whatever cards they're dealt and do nothing. Even in the 60's people finally got fed up with Vietnam and demanded an end to the war. I just can't believe people today, we have the war, the heath-care mess and a totally corrupt administration and people just accept it. For Christ sakes look at the French their government passes labor laws they don't like and they are rioting and threatening a nationwide strike, I can't believe even French that everyone makes jokes about have more backbone than Americans.

[FloridaPat]

7. The point to having everyone supply proof they are US citizens

or have a green card was suppose to put pressure on employers to make sure they hired legals. If they're not responsible, why do I have to prove I'm eligible? This was a Reagan idea. Didn't like it then and my opinion hasn't improved with age or use.

[SHRED]

9. ...in many ways.

Illegal hiring takes place in all levels of the workforce from farm workers to construction workers to high tech workers who overstay their H1 visas.
Also, if employers had to hire legally then tax revenues would increase to support sevices.
Illegal hiring drains our infrastructure of resources by paying "under the table".

Hiring illegally hurts us in many ways.