Serious Question: Why has B** not tried harder to get OBL????

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Forget Iraq, for a minute. Why would B** not make a major, all out effort to track down Bin Laden? It certainly would help his poll numbers. I don't understand why Rove hasn't dreamed up a PR campaign to at least show troops on the march, looking, searching? What's more curious, is that the press doesn't even ask anymore and no one seems to give a shit that we are not trying to hunt him down. And forget "territorial boundary" issues with Pakistan as an excuse. We all know that if he wanted to get in there and search he could make it happen.

When is the last time you saw anything on this. I just don't get it. If I was Assclown, I would round up 10,000 troops, create a banner "OBL Wanted Dead or Alive", get constant pentagon tapes of troops searching, and get them on the news. .

I remember one theory on this, that BFEE made a deal with the Saudis that if we gave up our pursuit of OBL, then they would make sure the US was never attacked again....

[bullimiami]

1. family courtesy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. Well, how are they being allowed to get away with it? I am a peace

advocate, but I want this monster caught!!

[Ufomammut]

12. "They're" being allowed to get away with it because...

Of the effective mass deception of the US propaganda effort, coupled with mass ignorance {that is, unawareness}, chauvinism and near terminal stages of denial.

[Booster]

30. Yep. Just as soon as OBL is caught, Bush's little war on terror is

over - MOST Americans will then be satisfied.

[radfringe]

51. more useful as boogie-man if he's out there running free

if they capture/kill bin-laden he's no longer a boogie-man the bushies can pull out and use to scare the people

when he's no longer useful as a tool-of-fear, the bushies will capture/kill him

[Ufomammut]

2. Because he's a "patsy," and a relation to close business ties

bin Laden isn't behind the crimes of 9/11.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. but OBL said he was behind it. Are you saying he really wasn't?

[Ufomammut]

9. Problem Reaction Solution

9/11 was an inside job.

[Twist_U_Up]

15. Illuminati. nt

[RagingInMiami]

22. Was that on the video taped where OBL looked like a stand-in?

[mac56]

37. Both are true.

He said he was BECAUSE he's a patsy. A "beard", so to speak.

[CJCRANE]

46. If you think the war on terror is real..

answer this one question:

how come the countries which provided the hijackers, the planners and the funding for 9/11 are B*sh's "allies"?

[laruemtt]

3. to show his gratitude for the attack.

OBL doesn't hate * and vice versa because they're joined at the hip in their quid pro quo.

[OhioChick]

4. I think that as long as the

big, bad wolf is still out there, it's much easier to use the "terra, terra" card with the majority of the public.

[catmandu57]

10. That's it

osama is more useful free than captured.

[calmblueocean]

25. Yup. Plus, if Bush makes a show of looking, and can't find him...

he looks even more inept. So he depersonalizes the conflict and turns it into a war between nations so people won't ask where Osama is anymore.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Well, to me the positive gain of a president and army looking

for OBL, would vastly outweigh the damage if he is not found (your point on ineptitude). I think, strictly from a PR point of view, that because the people of the US are basically understanding and can honestly see when someone is making an honest effort, it would be worth it to show an effort (even if it wasn't sincere and B** had no intention of actually capturing the guy). I think it would also maybe take him off the hook, to a slight degree, on Iraq. It would diffuse the constant chant that Iraq had nothing to do with it, becuase he could show he was also trying to avenge 9-11...

[calmblueocean]

35. Good point

But I think this gets to the heart of the difference between liberals and conservatives. So much of Bush's "leadership" is caught up in his ego. His people support him because they think he's strong. And I think Bush feels he'll lose face if he makes a show of looking for Osama, and Osama releases a tape saying, essentially, "You can't catch me." Bush would rather ignore Osama (thinking this makes Osama look insignificant) than embarrass himself by looking and not finding.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. Right. But, what's funny is that he acted like a cowboy that would

do absolutely anything to find him after 9-11. So at some point, later, they made the conscious "mums"-the-word" decision. Maybe they tried a little bit to find him and then gave up "Phew, that shur waz hard wurk"

[calmblueocean]

42. I know. What happened to "dead or alive"?

It's like Bush just gave up on finding justice for 9/11. And no one even calls him on it.

[Deja Q]

6. Because, on 13 March 2002, Bush said OBL no longer concerned him.

"I'll repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him."

Google that phrase, quotes and all. You'll get almost 5.5 million results. :wow:

(And even on the run, that doesn't mean he's stopped. :dunce: )

[lectrobyte]

8. Bush doesn't want OBL, he wants eternal war. This link may

help with a perspective of both sides: http://www.gurus.com/dougdeb/politics/TS101.html

[acmejack]

11. Dick Cheney told one of the Fox guys OBL had nothing to do with 9/11

Yesterday. The Fox person corrected him, but one must wonder if it wasn't a Freudian slip. There is a thread from yesterday with the transcript floating around here somewhere. One of our more observant members was all over it. I will try to find the thread.

edit: Here tis! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=790255

[Ufomammut]

13. Good catch!

[Joe Fields]

24. A "Faux pas" maybe?

[Virginia Dare]

26. OMFG, no he didn't...

The booze, the pain, and the pharmaceuticals must be getting to him.

:wow:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. Wow, that's is very interesting. And, remember, he was involved

in "war games" that day and didn't want B** returning to Washington....

[tlsmith1963]

34. Wow...

Cheney actually said that? Yeah, I'd call that a *big* Freudian slip! Just the other day, I was saying how stupid Moussaoui is because he doesn't realize who his real "bosses" might be. If he knew that the neocons were probably the real people behind 9/11 (because I really think people like him don't know everything. He was just used), he would probably off himself.

I also think Moussaoui is stupid because he hates all Americans when not all Americans love imperialism, but that's another story.

Tammy

[Joe Fields]

14. Because that might create some sense of "closure"...

in the minds of Americans, and I believe Bush wants an open ended war without end. It allows him to maintain dictatorial powers.

[bluethruandthru]

17. You have to give the masses an "enemy" to fight against.

Faceless "terrorist" just doesn't cut it. As long as 'Merika is fighting the enemy...the public thinks that repukes are the only ones who can do the job.

[zbdent]

16. Needs a "boogey-man" to bring out every time

he wants to blame the Dems for some security issue he never bothered to deal with . . .

[donco6]

48. I agree.

He's more valuable on the loose. That way Bush can raise his spectre any time he finds it expedient.

[AndyA]

18. Last I heard, Bush went on record as stating

he didn't care where OBL was. To me, that says he isn't actively seeking him, nor does it bother him that OBL might be out there still plotting and scheming against America.

Read between the lines. This says a lot about what really happened on 9/11, and what is behind so many of the things going on in the world today.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. Why 80+% in NYC voted against Assclown

[skipos]

19. Because he is a bad president.

He doesn't care about getting OBL, and it blows my mind. I also can't beleive that so many Americans don't care that the guy who killed 3000 Americans has gotten away with it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Wow, wouldn't you just love to be able to control the questions

at Snotty's press conference? I would have someone ask EVERY friggin day, "Could you please give us a status on the hunt for OBL. Not an open-ender like - why hasn't he been caught -- but a specific question - give us a status report.

A couple weeks ago, I caught live coverage of Junior's unscheduled stop in Afghanistan. Junior looked scared when Karsi (spelling? suddenly opened up the press conference to questions. The very first one from the internation press was, "It has been 5 years since you declared that the US would do everything to hunt OBL down. Why haven't you?" Junior hemmed and hawed, blah, blah, blah and his last sentence was "we're making slow progress" or something like that.

It seems like a couple years ago, they had him cornered.

[Junkdrawer]

20. I know they steal elections because they fight election auditing....

I know they were in on 9/11 because they never went after OBL and instead invaded Iraq.

[CJCRANE]

47. Of course they were..

it was a joint venture (Bushco enabled the hijackers). That's why B*sh's main "allies" are countries which have connections to 9/11..and why they attacked Iraq (a country which had nothing to do with 9/11).

[Junkdrawer]

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[CJCRANE]

55. Good catch.

It's strange but it's only in the last few weeks that I've realised that the worst-case scenario conspiracy theory is actually true.

I think B*sh's undoing will only come when the freepers wake up and realise what he actually is and who he really works for. He is the OPPOSITE of what they believe him to be.

[leveymg]

21. Been there. Done that.

They don't want to remind us of that folly. On to the next medal ceremony.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. He needs him to keep the sheeple in fear at all times and

he needs him for the next attack they're planning.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. But you know what, even if he never wants him caught, for his own

propaganda purposes, I am truly surprised that they haven't figured out that it would help them to at least put on a facade like they are looking.

Man, if I were Rove, I'd do that for approval remediation. I would also have Assclown down in NOLA every single week, listening to people's concerns and actually solving problems and making things happen. You know, show him at a town meeting, hearing that FEMA hasn't paid contractors and then the next week show him down there reporting on what percentage of contractors have now been paid since he shook things up?

[Buns_of_Fire]

32. OBL is the source of boosh's* power

He's the gift that keeps on giving. Without being a "war president," Commander Codpiece would have long ago been exposed as the worthless waste of oxygen we all know him to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. You've read 1984 haven't you?

He needs his Goldstein... never mind that this one IS very real and our craetion.. but he needs it

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Yup. I think after reading all these posts, I understand why he

could be just ignoring OBL. I just happen to think it is a major PR blunder on his part. He could be scoring point with the people if he at least acted like he was looking.

What's unf&%kingbelievable is that the press and the public has allowed him to do it.

[leftofthedial]

39. same reason he hasn't done anything about Ken Lay

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. Hey, you are right. And Karl Rove !

[Tesha]

43. OBL is Bush's "Goldstein"

OBL is Bush's "Goldstein", the perpetual enemy of the
state from Orwell's 1984.

OBL makes the perfect foil, the reason for Bush to
trample on our rights and the peace, safety, and
security of the entire planet. Catching Osama would
mean Bush would have to whip up a new boogey man so
why would he do that?

Tesha

[radio4progressives]

44. Maybe Because he's already Dead??

I wouldn't try to go after someone who is already dead... but then this administration and their lackey's will do anything...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. very interesting idea. It would explain everything ! There would

be absolutely no point in even putting on a charade of looking - because it would be doomed to failure since they can never catch a dead man. It also ties in with what others have said about B** using OBL to keep on scaring everyone so he can continue his agenda...THANKS

[lonestarnot]

49. The need for a boogey man to scare the crap out of people

like the repukes, who are afraid of their own fucking shadows, to perpetuate the theivery is the reason.

[Chemical Bill]

50. Well...

OBL denied responsibility for 9/11;

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

The FBI doesn't say he's wanted for 9/11;

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Maybe he didn't do it.

Bill

[Marie26]

53. Cause OBL is dead & gone.

Just my opinion. They know he's dead, but can't tell anyone w/o losing their favorite boogeyman.

[Imagevision]

54. It's the don't mess with the golden goose theory...

why do you think * pulled back getting OBL in Tora Bora?? even the Pakistinians didn't know what was going on when told to relax,

[Imagevision]

56. OB & Hussein will come out of this, Bush's civil war, thats the ticket

[Initech]

57. Osama is the only thing keeping W's joke of a political career alive.

He makes more money knowing that people are scared shitless of terrorists like Osama, so by keeping Osama alive, Bush is making tons of money.