Official Censure Hearing Thread # 6 - Judiciary Committee

[liveoaktx]

Link to 5

[liveoaktx]

1. Fein on point- Leahy up

[liveoaktx]

5. Leahy-Dean on Censure-more to say he can't break the law but

has to come to Congress.

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Leahy up now

Please, Pat!!! Please????

[stop the bleeding]

3. You rock our DEMS don't n/t

[The Witch]

4. Leahy up please kick his ass pat!!!

:cry: puweeeeze :cry:

[Coexist]

6. "he outta come to Congress... (to) make sure he is following the law."

Yes.

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. Dem Senator's numbers (Thanks Witch!)

Joe Biden
202-224-5042
state: Wilmington 302-573-6345
state: Milford 302-424-8090

DiFi
202-22403841
state: LA 310-914-7300
state: San Diego 619-231-9712
state: San Fran 415-393-0707
state: Fresno 559-485-7430

Dick Durbin
202-224-2152
State: springfield 217-492-4062
state: chicago 312-353-4952
state: marion 618-998-8812

Ted Kennedy
202-224-4543
state: boston 617-565-3170

Chuckie
202-224-6542
state: nyc 212-486-4430
state: buffalo 716-846-4111
state: albany 518-431-4070
state: binghamton: 607-772-6792
state: hudson valley 914-285-9741
state: long island 631-753-0978
state: rochester 585-263-5866
state: syracuse 315-423-5471

GO!

Qs: 'Why isn't the Senator attending today's meeting of the Judiciary Committee?"
"Why not?"
"Doesn't he think the testimony important?"
"Doesn't he think the issue worth debating?

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[dogday]

difi is 202-224-3841

EVERYONE CALL ALL OF THESE SENATORS PLEASE!!!!

[liveoaktx]

8. On convicted felons testifying on committee-except for pres pardons

a whole bunch of the Bush administration wouldn't have positions of power. Since when does conviction bother Republicans?

[myrna minx]

9. I am horrified that most of our Dems are AWOL.

Thank you Russ and Pat.

[liveoaktx]

13. As someone said before, this is a spanking line

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. There ARE times these guys should REALIZE they need to

FALL IN LINE!!! This is one of them.

[Coexist]

16. this is a committee hearing

are they the only two dem committee members there?

[myrna minx]

31. Yep. The rest are absent.

:cry: :grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. Leahy: What if we had actually DECLARED war

gee, That's an excellent point. Maybe you should keep saying that..."WAR HAS NOT BEEN DECLARED!"

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. Dean's comments have hit the wires!

Nixon aide: Bush wiretaps exceed Watergate crimes

By LAURIE KELLMAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Nixon White House counselor John Dean, testifying in behalf of a Democratic resolution to censure President Bush, asserted Friday that Bush's conduct in connection with domestic spying exceeds the wrongdoing that toppled his former boss from power.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, fired back by telling Democrats: "Quit trying to score political points."

The Senate, Dean said, should censure or officially scold Bush as proposed by Sen. Russell Feingold's resolution. But if that action carries too much political baggage, some senatorial warning is in order, Dean said.

"The resolution should be amended, not defeated, because the president needs to be reminded that separation of powers does not mean an isolation of powers," Dean said in prepared remarks. "He needs to be told he cannot simply ignore a law with no consequences."


lots more http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=84681

:)

[LSK]

19. glad to see something come out of this!

[Coexist]

20. YES!!!

[rodeodance]

54. grand, thanks

[rodeodance]

12. censure not punitive by doing checks and balances (Dean via Leahy)

[EVDebs]

25. Congress acting in hysteria. At Bush's whim he can shred constitution

Fein's testimony is DEVASTATING !

[blm]

I think Bruce Fein is doing the best job out of everyone so far.

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[0007]

14. Argh!

M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

[peace13]

17. Kennedy office respose...

all Dems don't agree with Feingold. My response was that they could at least agree to protect the constitution. Called all Dems. Very depressing. peace

[stop the bleeding]

22. My response was that they could at least agree to protect the constitution

thats good - Welcome to DU!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

24. ARGH!!! So that allows them to shirk their duties???

:argh:

[rodeodance]

26. yes, protect our Constitution. Obviously kennedy does not get this.

[VP505]

44. What

a disgusting answer from his staff, definitely time for a house cleaning!!!!

[rodeodance]

18. call these senators that Witch posted

-31-06 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
42. Call & ask where our Dems are! phone #s:
Fri Mar
Joe Biden
202-224-5042
state: Wilmington 302-573-6345
state: Milford 302-424-8090

DiFi
202-22403841
state: LA 310-914-7300
state: San Diego 619-231-9712
state: San Fran 415-393-0707
state: Fresno 559-485-7430

Dick Durbin
202-224-2152
State: springfield 217-492-4062
state: chicago 312-353-4952
state: marion 618-998-8812

Ted Kennedy
202-224-4543
state: boston 617-565-3170

Chuckie
202-224-6542
state: nyc 212-486-4430
state: buffalo 716-846-4111
state: albany 518-431-4070
state: binghamton: 607-772-6792
state: hudson valley 914-285-9741
state: long island 631-753-0978
state: rochester 585-263-5866
state: syracuse 315-423-5471

GO!

Qs: 'Why isn't the Senator attending today's meeting of the Judiciary Committee?"
"Why not?"
"Doesn't he think the testimony important?"
"Doesn't he think the issue worth debating?

[ima_sinnic]

43. could you please fix that feinstein phone number in that post

this is the umpteenth time I've seen it with the wrong phone number

[dogday]

21. Fein----IT HAS NO STOPPING POINT!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. He's straight and to the point!

Most effective witness!

[EVDebs]

48. Fein just nailed it ! Congress is letting Bush do ALL of this litany of

covert spying without any accountability. Leahy ANGRY, no specifics on what is going on with Bush. Schmidt is just doing fig leaf "believe" the adminstration their motives are de facto pure, routine.

What B.S.

[liveoaktx]

23. Fein: President can do elec surv, but Congress REGULATES it

[liveoaktx]

27. Bush said in July 2002 Fisa working perfectly

[The Witch]

34. that's a new one! go fein!

[The Witch]

28. Fein has his points in a row. kick ass.

GOo Fein!

[liveoaktx]

33. Frankly, he is a better witness than John Dean

[stop the bleeding]

35. right now, but lets see where the questioning goes n/t

[Staph]

29. Interesting . . .

Both Specter and Leahy are only questioning Fein and Dean. They are ignoring the witnesses on the Republican point of view, as if they really don't have anything to say worth reviewing or questioning. To me this is a subtle point -- the only witnesses have details that need to be reviewed are those in favor of censure.

[TayTay]

30. If the other Dems are not there, does that mean Sen. Feingold

will get more questions in for the witnesses? Will Sen. Feingold be able to make his case without other Sens. taking the questioning time?

[HereSince1628]

41. No.

[BlueStater]

36. Leahy is PISSED!

Wow!

[stop the bleeding]

39. I understand you LEAHY!!!

[rodeodance]

37. Leahy is dispelling myth that Pres. acted on 'credible' advice RERUSES

To answer the question. Leahy shouted that.

[dogday]

38. Go Leahy---Nobody knows what the advice is

what advice... State it....

[The Witch]

40. Leahy SHOUTING!

He's on board with the censure for sure. Thank god!

[HereSince1628]

53. Raised voice, but not quite a shout. That wouldn't have raised the

head of hound dog a quarter mile away.

[rodeodance]

81. Leahy saying he has requested the legal basis docs from WH but they

have REFUSED.

[LSK]

42. go Leahy!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

[cali]

45. I feel like crying that it's only Pat supporting Feingold

Go Pat, He's losing that famous temper of his! I love my Senator.

[melissinha]

46. Leahy on fire

He is really supporting Fein's testimony.

[dogday]

47. Orin Hatch would make Bush King if he could............

[EVDebs]

56. Wow, 'the president can do whatever he pleases'-- Hatch eom

[liveoaktx]

67. Thank goodness Hatch didn't make it as Supreme Court judge

[CornField]

49. Did Hatch just say that all Presidents violate the law?

Wow

[liveoaktx]

55. That seems to be a talking point du jour

[speedoo]

50. I called all the misssing Dem Senators.

Only one I could not connect with was Feinstein. Did anyone else speak to a snotty b####h in Durbin's office?

These people disgust me.

[dogday]

I spoke to Durbin's office and they said

they did not know his schedule and I said his own office does not know what he is doing... No wonder things are so messed up.....

[dogday]

61. Kiss His Ass Hatch... Smooch on up and pucker big........

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51. Hatch going after John Dean now

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. There he goes! Dean can handle it provided he's not cut off n/t

[liveoaktx]

59. dean-didn't say the president could violate any existing statute

[librechik]

66. ding! chair allows Turner to interrupt with BS

[librechik]

69. there it is-"-Dems dont want to listen to OBL "BS

and allowed to sprew on and on and on

[Norquist Nemesis]

52. UGH! Hatch...he'll hit Dean he is partisan

Check your mirror, Orin!

[EVDebs]

62. Hatch, 'we don't know whether the pres. has violated...' And we'll never

allow that into Congressional oversight too, Hatch fails to add !

[LSK]

58. FUCK YOU HATCH, EVERYONE WAS CREEPED OUT 3 DAYS AFTER 9/11

FUCKER!!! :grr:

[liveoaktx]

60. Hatch cut off Dean and went to Turner

[LSK]

68. Janet Parshall - I cant hear you!!!!

[berner59]

70. Someone better ask Dean about his evidence...

Hatch was so rude..."you have no evidence..." Dean:"I have plenty of evidence!!" FU HATCH!!!!

[Coexist]

63. Dean is handling himself well, though.

Hatch had to switch to someone else because Dean was making his point.

[Canuckistanian]

64. Hatch: President can do whatever he wants

Long live King Bush I!

[Canuckistanian]

80. Moussaui not an agent of Al-Qeda? WTF?

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. Excuse me. Where are the DEMOCRATS?

Why aren't they there???:grr: WTF is up with that?

[HereSince1628]

72. The Dems chose not to come. What's up is they turned Russ over to the R's

for roasting. This is a really serious effort to clip Feingold's primary feathers.

[speedoo]

73. Please call their offices and ask them.

The phone numbers are posted.

[Norquist Nemesis]

75. We've all been tapping our foot on that one!

Phone numbers above...they're all shirking their duty (except Leahy and Feingold). Even Kennedy's office said "Not all Democrats agree with Senator Feingold" :wow:

[dogday]

76. See Posts 7 & 8

I am so mad at them for doing this....

[EVDebs]

77. Robt. Turner, didn't the 9-11 hijackers have 2 already under FBI

surveillance ?

[rodeodance]

71. well, this Turner guy is a lying sack of shit.

[VP505]

74. hearing this

makes me think that we are in real trouble in this country!!

[LSK]

82. thats why winning Congress in November is so damn important

[liveoaktx]

78. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THREAD # 7 STARTED >>>>>> LINK

# 7

[The Witch]

79. What I want to ask the Judiciary Comittee witnesses:

Is it theoretically possible that a president .. any president .. can use his authority to create a classified program with a perfectly legitimate-sounding facade, but is really used in a bad way?

not whether THIS president is. whether it's theoretically possible to do so.

If so---

Who is the check on that power? Who is supposed to stop it?


And given the evidence, can we count the ways in which this president can be shown to be acting completely on the up-and-up?

Once you admit it's possible, it's very hard to refute that it's not happening.

[Skinner]

83. Locking

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