Official Censure Hearing Thread # 10 -Judiciary Committee

[liveoaktx]

Link back to number 9

[liveoaktx]

1. Turner is an ass- President was ABLE to move with speed and dispatch

but he can't just operate outside the law and without regulation.

[EVDebs]

19. He just described martial law eom

[Mnemosyne]

2. Is this as fucking hopeless as it is feeling? n/t

:cry:

[The Witch]

5. yes.

[liveoaktx]

7. I think we can say that the censure resolution is dead in committee

[Mnemosyne]

I guess the administration's war crimes being investigated is

out of the question too.

I can't take anymore of this crap! I have had it. Who do you have to blow to get justice in this country besides Clinton?!

[blogslut]

11. nothing is hopeless

I for one, am surprised Russ even got this hearing...

[liveoaktx]

24. I think Specter did this so he could nip in the bud, quickly

[speedoo]

32. I agree. Russ got his platform, and he's using it.

This issue is not going away, and the Dem coward no-shows will regret their non-support.

[Mnemosyne]

37. Me too. Sphincter is my senator.

:puke:

[LeftNYC]

23. Moreso...The dems are out to lunch

If Feingold runs for Prez, I am going all out for him. Money, blood, sweat, tears. Whatever needs to be done. I cant take this anymore.

[liveoaktx]

27. Me too. I'd vote for him anyday

[hootinholler]

88. Can I join that club?

Even though I think the senate is too polite to breed viable candidates.

-Hoot

[Mnemosyne]

52. I am so disillusioned with Kennedy, DiFi and Durbin.

If we make it to the 2008 elections with fair machines to vote, I will also back Russ all the way!

[blogslut]

3. got my feed to work!

yay


Man, that Turner dude is a schmuck

[The Witch]

4. The Pres gets power that Congress can't check?

What Constitution is he READING!???!!!

:argh:

[liveoaktx]

8. I can't STAND that guy

[rodeodance]

61. That is exactly what the small mind said.

[fooj]

6. Thank you, Senator Feingold for doing what is right.

[flpoljunkie]

22. "Mr. Feingold goes to Washington."

Thanks for the photo!

[Norquist Nemesis]

9. Did Turner just say something about Roe v Wade?

HUH??? I was coming back into the room. *checking my hearing*

[stop the bleeding]

10. I feel hopeless right now n/t

[shadowknows69]

Ditto

our government is completely broken and we are in a dictatorship.

[flyarm]

33. good night democracy...good night constitution....although i will never

stop fighting this...i will never support the dems as i have in the past..i will work on removing the worthless dems with people with integrity...

* broke the law..amd it seems that repugs who think the laws are for anyone..it is obvious they are not for rethugs...

i am finished with most of the dem party...

there are some like the brave brilliant Feingold and Conyers..and Mckinney..my money will never go to dnc again..i will earmark my money to only the dems that protect my constitution!

fly

[Mnemosyne]

57. Me too,

:hug:

[LSK]

12. Feingold should hold this in the basement

It might actually be productive then..

[speedoo]

13. Oh STFU, Hatch.

You're not fooling anyone. You are a slimebag.

[RepublicanElephant]

14. ah-so, FISA is the problem, not dubya. thanks mr. hatch!

.

[trof]

15. Was Hatch actually blowing kisses to Specter?

Sure looked/sounded like it.

[liveoaktx]

16. Feingold-Hatch "violently disagrees but he's calm"

[dogday]

17. CALL THESE DEMS NOW PLEASE!!!!!

Joe Biden
202-224-5042
state: Wilmington 302-573-6345
state: Milford 302-424-8090

DiFi corrected by a poster (difi is 202-224-3841)
202-224-3841
state: LA 310-914-7300
state: San Diego 619-231-9712
state: San Fran 415-393-0707
state: Fresno 559-485-7430

Dick Durbin
202-224-2152
State: springfield 217-492-4062
state: chicago 312-353-4952
state: marion 618-998-8812

Ted Kennedy
202-224-4543
state: boston 617-565-3170

Chuckie
202-224-6542
state: nyc 212-486-4430
state: buffalo 716-846-4111
state: albany 518-431-4070
state: binghamton: 607-772-6792
state: hudson valley 914-285-9741
state: long island 631-753-0978
state: rochester 585-263-5866
state: syracuse 315-423-5471

GO!

Qs: 'Why isn't the Senator attending today's meeting of the Judiciary Committee?"
"Why not?"
"Doesn't he think the testimony important?"
"Doesn't he think the issue worth debating?

Thank you Witch for supplying this information......

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. NO...CALL REID'S OFFICE

Trying to find phone #.

The hearings about over...centralize and SLAM Reid's office. :grr:

[dogday]

35. CALL THEM ALL. HOLD THEM ALL ACCOUNTABLE.......

[rodeodance]

82. thanks, post when you can.

[Sydnie]

18. "violently disagree"? what they hell kind of statement is that?

Violently disagree? Bring IT ON Hatch! Asshat!

[The Witch]

20. "yes, I stopped beating my wife." Ooooh. :P

Bleaugh.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Anyone got the number to HARRY REID'S OFFICE? CALL!!!!

Express outrage at the Dem Senators shirking their duty on this committee and opting out. We USED to be a country of laws. :cry:

[fooj]

36. Dean's testimony is all over the wires...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x804577

The repubs are fucking this one to the wall, IMO.
they won't get away with it. The American people are just too angry. My 2 cents....

[shadowknows69]

25. Russ will not back down

"Dismantling of our government"

[LeftNYC]

26. Finally, some sanity...Go Russ...nt

[liveoaktx]

31. Does need a warrant when he targets an American on American soil

[liveoaktx]

Fein-Trying to frighten americans with signature "If Al Qaida is calling"

distortion

[liveoaktx]

38. This attempt to frighten americans part of why Bush needs to be censured

[yy4me]

29. Just tried to call Kennedy's' office, was abruptly told I would

be transferred to an aid. The phone was never answered. I am outraged. We pay the salaries for these idiots. We now cannot even get a phone answered. I have never in my 63 years been so upset about politics. AND I am sick of hearing the senators thank each and pat each other on the back. This is a farce. Senator Feingold deserves far greater respect than he is being given. Where is Kerry, by the way. If I try his office, will they answer the phone?

[dogday]

39. I held for freaking 20 minutes

they are cowards......

[otohara]

81. Kerry's Office Not Answering

losers.

[Coexist]

30. Got through to Durbin's office - long wait on hold

He is "meeting with constituents" today.

I mentioned (nicely) that he has not come out publicly in support or against this, so wouldn't it have made sense for him to make room in his schedule for this hearing, so he would have the opportunity to ask questions and get some answers.

The poor man stuttered that he would pass that comment along.

Sigh. I don't have a good feeling about this.

[LSK]

40. which primary is he interfering with now???

:grr:

[Occulus]

43. Someone here mentioned they may have been wiretapped

and then blackmailed.

That's the easiest explanation, isn't it?

[fooj]

51. It was me. It's the only thing I can come up with.

Why else?

[Coexist]

53. I doubt it

I think some are a little afraid of going on record on this issue.
Some don't want to rock the boat before the elections.
Some want to wait until after november, if we take power, then they talk impeachment.

[fooj]

63. I truly think that many on THE HILL have been tapped.

Just my 2 cents...

[Coexist]

74. I think that Clinton did the same thing

but I don't think they would be blackmailed on this issue.

They all have dirt on each other. They just shovel it around.

[suffragette]

47. Great way to phrase your comment to him

But, yeah, I don't have a good feeling about this either.

[Sydnie]

56. He's running for President .. he can't be seen doing what's right now

He has to "glad hand" doesn't he? :sarcasm:

Get your ass back in there Durbin and take a stand you weasel!

[LSK]

79. he is?

[LilyLibber]

Russ Feingold

DAMN, I love this man.

[Thorandmjolnir]

34. I actually think Feingold is going to come out on top

What is being exposed is the radical view that Congress cannot check the presidents power in a case of war.

Considering that this war has no end. Therefor; Congress cannot limit the presidents power in the near future!

[Coexist]

41. Whomever actually WATCHED this went away with the impression

that he is a leader.

[LeftNYC]

42. The lone voice in the wilderness...nt

[rodeodance]

85. yes, and IF people think about it--they may just realize --HEY!

[kaye45]

44. Feingold is brilliant

I am in awe - he is so clear and cuts through the bull shit - what a profile in courage....

[EVDebs]

49. Bush is instituting the Watergate days Huston Plan for martial law

[Coexist]

45. Is Graham autistic?

He can't seem to stop rocking his chair - I keep seeing it in the long shots.

[fooj]

55. He's a caged animal............

Peace.

[Sydnie]

46. Graham rockling "violently" in his chair

Seems he agreed to wear a bullseye and take the lead at shooting Russ down. He's nervous for sure.

[Coexist]

58. Ha! You caught that too!

funny.

[Coexist]

64. Graham still trying to sell his "Watergate" argument.

What a dufus.

[EVDebs]

He can't justify the old Huston Plan for martial law Nixon mulled over

in the '70s,

Nixon's 1973 plan to seize the Saudi oil fields was used in Iraq, just 'updated'.

[jsamuel]

48. Feingold is an oasis of sanity in Washington.

[liveoaktx]

50. Feingold- reading from Bybee Torture Memo

asking Schmidt

[liveoaktx]

54. Schmidt-totally different, Bybee was a terrible argument but doesn't

mean they don't have a good argument now.

[liveoaktx]

60. Fein-disagree

President has inherent const auth to gather intelg
How to do it.
Theory that president has advanced applies in spades to alternate methods.

[LeftNYC]

59. Fein's whole point is mute

if you believe BushCo had a hand in 9/11.

[yy4me]

62. Kerry's office says they are doing their best to answer the

phone, did not have time to address my question as to why he was not at the hearings. He has lost my vote forever....and I am from Massachusetts.

[LSK]

71. Kerry isnt on the committee

[flpoljunkie]

72. Kerry is not on the Senate Judiciary Committee. That's why he's not there.

[LSK]

65. gramm back bitching about watergate

[kaye45]

75. he is mental, really he is

[fooj]

66. An honest DEBATE my ass.

I hope the lying rat bastard rots in hell.

[dogday]

67. Graham has nothing but Nixon on the brain

and he is trying to undermine Dean who has more intelligence than Graham could dream of....

[EVDebs]

Lindsey Graham defending The Huston Plan, can't remember history, huh ?

More on martial law and the Huston Plan

""Huston Plan

In June of 1970, during the wave of domestic protest centered around the war in Vietnam, President Nixon approved a set of recommendations known as the Huston Plan. This plan called for various agencies of government, including the CIA, FBI, and military intelligence agencies, to conduct wide-ranging intelligence-gathering activities targeted toward dissident groups and individuals. Most of these activities violated basic civil liberties. The President revoked the plan 5 days later, though some of its recommendations continued to be carried out. Volume 2 consists of hearings followed by a lengthy set of document exhibits. Witnesses included Tom Charles Huston, the author of the plan, former CIA counterintelligence head James Angleton, and former Assistant Director of the FBI Charles Brennan.""

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol2/contents.htm

with its domestic repressions....

[rodeodance]

Grahm is back -saying this is an honest debate-too back he disses

Russ's witnessess.

[Sydnie]

68. How do you know he hasn't "listened in on his political opponents"?

Have you knowledge that no one else has Graham?

[RepublicanElephant]

69. here goes lindsey again. did he take his ritalin today?

he was rocking that chair alot.

[Norquist Nemesis]

70. Okay Lindsay: How do you KNOW that THIS President

DIDN'T spy on his political opponents? Hmmmmm????

[trof]

73. Graham must have a whole closet full of straw men.

Set 'em up and mow 'em down, Lindsay.
putz

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Does it seem, to anyone but me, that the Dem party really doesn't CARE

what WE think? It appears that they will do whatever the hell they want to do and then turn around and think we will forgive and forget and keep dishing out our money to them. I'm done. They will not get ONE CENT from me. I'm taking notes and names and NO ONE on my list will get one freakin' penny from me. They are now COMPLICIT in the DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTION! The LEAST they could do is show up for this fucking hearing! What's the skin off their nose for showing up? NOTHING. Shame on them!

[Coexist]

84. Oh, they Care...

they care that we send them money, canvas for them, gather signatures for them, pass on their arguments.

Then they kiss the ass of the ever-elusive "swing-voter" because we are a given. I have accepted my place by now.

[sendero]

90. I keep wondering..

.... just how long it's going to take the rest of the people here to figure this out.

THE DEMS AREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING.

I don't pretend to know the real reason, but I've seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over and over. Those of you with all the excuses can forgettaboutit.

I'm just not hearing them any more.

[wiggs]

77. An underlying pattern to dem approach to issues?

Seems to me that dem leaders take turns handling major issues. It might be Conyers taking on election reform, then Boxer taking on delegate challenges, then Kennedy for something else, then Byrd. Waxman = WMD. Someone different on DSM. Clinton was body armor (and steroids for some reason). Conyers did NSA spying for a time. Feingold is doing censure.

You don't see them take the risk all together; there's always one who gets out the message and the others stay in the background. While I definitely don't like the approach, I'm trying to understand if there's a method to the madness. With more research and checking the pattern might be more clear, but on the surface this does seem to be a trend. If a strategy, is it more effective than banding together in support of opposition and to help frame issues?

I don't know (won't know till nov 2006), but I do look at the GOP and see that they've gone 180 the other way and that has worked pretty damn well from a PR standpoint.

So...is Feingold actually doing this WITH the blessing of Reid? Is it his job to raise the topic but allow other dems to take more moderate positions?

[rodeodance]

78. oh oh--here we go again!! 'in a time of war" by Grahm cracker man!

[speedoo]

89. Lindsey the Loser playing Perry Mason again.

At least he's off the Watergate Schtick, after getting his ass kicked. Still showing his ignorance, er. the timing of when FISA law was passed. What an idiot.

[liveoaktx]

80. >>>>>> THREAD 11 STARTED>>>>>>>> LINK

ELEVEN

[pacalo]

83. On the absence of senators at the hearing...

Some have got their marching orders from the Nixon loyalists in the WH to stay away -- less senators means less talking time for Dean;

I suspect some have been strongarmed to stay away.

I am just livid by ANY senator's absence at this important debate.

In any case, their absence speaks volumes about John Dean's power as a legal intellect.

[Mnemosyne]

86. At this point livid is too weak a word. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

87. The media is going to have a FIELD DAY on their absence

Weak, spineless, scared cats.

I can hear it now. "Why didn't YOUR Senator show up?"

[RepublicanElephant]

91. so is bush being censured or fisa? n/t

?

[Skinner]

92. Locking

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x804768