Slave Labor, Can We Live Without It? Yes or No?

[norml]

Poll question: Slave Labor, Can We Live Without It? Yes or No?

They're slave labor. Those who employ them should be fined.

Guest Worker would only make their second class (slave status) official.

Floods of cheap labor from poorer countries take away jobs, and drive down the wages of lower to middle income Americans.

It's a lie that these are jobs Americans won't do.

These are jobs offered by employers who know they don't need to pay a little more, or treat their employees a little better, because they have a pool of cheap second class status slave labor from poorer countries.

There's no need to deport anyone.

If they can't get hired, they'll go away.

There's nothing wrong with the border that a few more agents, or a few less people coming across wouldn't fix.

Any talk of a fence or wall on the border is just a distraction from the workplace, where the battle against second class slave labor must be fought.

Either make them citizens, or stop the hiring of them.

As citizens they won't be so easy to exploit.

If they can't be exploited, they won't be wanted.

If there really is a need for more citizens, allow more to apply to be citizens.

Ah, but only as Sub-Citizens are they wanted by those who exploit them.

That's what you have with the present illegal system, or with a Guest Worker program.

[Deja Q]

1. The weak enslave themselves. (n/t)

[norml]

4. Here's a link to the results of an earlier poll I did on the environment.

Poll question: The Environment, Do We Need It?

That's tonight's topic, and poll question for my show, The Servative Hour, (An hour of political commentary, your calls welcome).

It airs live, Friday morning, 2am to 3am, CST, Lincoln Nebraska time, on KZUM 89.3 FM, and can be heard online here...

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Poll result (17 votes)

YES (17 votes, 100%) Vote
NO (0 votes, 0%) Vote


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=801048&mesg_id=807098

[The2ndWheel]

2. Absolutely not

The global economy would crumble without the 4 year old girl who makes our shoes for a penny.

America wouldn't be America without slavery. The civil war didn't end it, it just outsourced it.

If the global economy was to collapse without those 4 year old's, that would be fine by me. But for that to happen, we'd have to change the entire exploitative system in which we live in, and have for hundreds of years, if not the entire history of civilization. Maybe one day.

[Erika]

5. There are child sweat shops all over the world

It's known and unchanged. Somehow, society has bought the GOP idea that slave/child labor which produces a lesser cost is the way to go.

[Erika]

3. President Clinton made a good point on CNN

Strengthen minimum wage laws and existing labor laws.

Of course, W would never strengthen worker laws, only protection of employer laws. The old GOP theme, the more the elitists can rob from the needy, the more they may be inclined to throw back a few crumbs to the needy...if there are sufficient tax credits as incentives.

[msgadget]

6. Well,

even if our illegal immigrant flow lessens there are always entities like Wally World who insist on squeezing the most out of its suppliers with no regard for how their low prices are achieved. One can only fantasize that there is a reincarnation and that in their next life the exploited get to trade places with their exploiters.

[Sinti]

7. Dangerous Graphic

Yes, slaves are unnecessary as long as you don't have individuals with the ability and desire to take a much larger portion of the available resources than everyone else receives.

There a four apples and three men, more than enough for everyone. However, if one man insists on having three apples, the other two have to split the one that's left. This is the inevitable result of unchecked capitalism, and a lot of people apparently believing they don't deserve better.

[norml]

11. I did a Google search, looking for an illustration of slaves building the

Pyramids.

I found this pyramid organizational structure chart graphic to be tragically funnier.

[shanti]

8. ask the corporations

they are the ones who hire the "slave labor".

[TalkingDog]

9. We enslave them over here, so we don't have to enslave them over there

The Chinese will always have prison labor, India and Pakistan child labor. We live off the sweat of their backs.

Read: Nausea

Basically everything we do is fraught with existintial guilt. By living as we do, the rest of the world has to live as it does. Other than turning off your mostly plastic (environment raping) computer right now and moving into a handmade yurt with your milking goats and subsisting on roots, there's not much to do but consciously make as little impact as possible.

[norml]

10. Every job that can be shipped over there, has been shipped over there

or soon will be.

Now were talking about taking to the level of slavery those jobs that can't be moved away.

[mbee]

12. Listened to a report about Pakistan yesterday on NPR and how

business owners are flocking there to use their labor to make products. One businessman interviewed was there to make arrangements for production of socks which he markets. He was congratulating the country on their efficiency and cleanliness and cheap labor (58 cents or so an hour). Then one of the factory owners admitted they try to pay even less and it was mentioned they have child labor. If this is an everyday thing why was Kathy Lee more or less demonized when she did it? I find this disgusting, but unfortunately, every time we buy products I'm sure we're contributing to it.