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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:26 AM
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C-Span WJ NOW: The Disposable American/Layoffs/ 9:19 EST!
Retraining for WHAT? this book by Louis Uchitelle, discussing his book about how layoffs have disrupted the lives of millions of Americans over the last 25 years...and how we are told to "blame ourselves" for not having enough education but it's just not true!

Tune in!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:28 AM
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1. That Ph.D. in computer science does a lot of good when...
the job is in India and pays about $10 a day.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:29 AM
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2. Lack of, or just the right amount of education...
... has no bearing on jobs anymore... for years, college graduates have been doing minimum wage jobs... It is the question of job security...

When One has been working for a company for 18 years, and is laid off to make room to hire two part-timers without benefits is the real deal...

Seen it happen all too often...

How many times has anyone seen a CEO or Board of Director members take a pay cut to save anyone's job ???
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 10:02 AM
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8. Bingo. It's why I'm not bothering to try to go back.
I'm still sitting on student loan debt from ONE YEAR of college and watching my brother and a VERY few friends who fell for this carrot-on-a-stick work the same temp-less-than-ten-an-hour oops-where's-my-job jobs that I've been working. With gigantic loans to pay off. Shell game. Which one is the American Dream under? The college one? (buzzer!) Try again! How about this one--no money down real estate? (buzzer) Aw, you gotta WATCH MY HANDS.......
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:35 AM
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3. Here's a snip and link to a NYT's article about his book if you can't
watch the WJ segment on C-Span:
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If You've been Downsized, Outsourced and Retrained..READ THIS!!!

Layoffs have disrupted the lives of millions of Americans over the last 25 years. The cure that these displaced workers are offered — retraining and more education — is heralded as a sure path to new and better-paying careers. But often that policy prescription does not work, as this book excerpt explains. It is adapted from "The Disposable American: Layoffs and Their Consequences" by Louis Uchitelle, an economics writer for The New York Times. Knopf will publish the book on Tuesday.

<snip>

The presumption — promoted by economists, educators, business executives and nearly all of the nation's political leaders, Democrats and Republicans alike — holds that in America's vibrant and flexible economy there is work, at good pay, for the educated and skilled. The unemployed need only to get themselves educated and skilled and the work will materialize. Education and training create the jobs, according to this way of thinking. Or, put another way, an appropriate job at decent pay materializes for every trained or educated worker.

<snip>

You cannot be an engineer or an accountant without a degree; in that sense, education and training certainly do count. Furthermore, in the competition for the jobs that exist, the educated and trained have an edge. That advantage shows up regularly in wage comparisons. But you cannot earn an engineer's or an accountant's typical pay if companies are not hiring engineers and accountants, or are hiring relatively few and can control the wage, chipping away at it.

<snip>

Saying that the country should solve the skills shortage through education and training became part of nearly every politician's stump speech, an innocuous way to address the politics of unemployment without strengthening either the bargaining leverage of workers or the federal government's role in bolstering labor markets.

<snip>

The Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics offers a rough estimate of the imbalance in the demand for jobs as opposed to the supply. Each month since December 2000, it has surveyed the number of job vacancies across the country and compared it with the number of unemployed job seekers. On average, there were 2.6 job seekers for every job opening over the first 41 months of the survey. That ratio would have been even higher, according to the bureau, if the calculation had included the millions of people who stopped looking for work because they did not believe that they could get decent jobs.

So the demand for jobs is considerably greater than the supply, and the supply is not what the reigning theory says it is. Most of the unfilled jobs pay low wages and require relatively little skill, often less than the jobholder has. From the spring of 2003 to the spring of 2004, for example, more than 55 percent of the hiring was at wages of $13.25 an hour or less: hotel and restaurant workers, health care employees, temporary replacements and the like.

<snip>

The $13.25 threshold is important. More than 45 percent of the nation's workers, whatever their skills, earned less than $13.25 an hour in 2004, or $27,600 a year for a full-time worker. That is roughly the income that a family of four must have in many parts of the country to maintain a standard of living minimally above the poverty level. Surely lack of skill and education does not hold down the wages of nearly half the work force.

...more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/business/yourmoney/26 ...

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:37 AM
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4. He's saying when NAFTA went into effect whe had a trade surplus with
Mexico ...and now we have a trade deficit with Mexico as jobs have gone there. He says the vision of NAFTA was that free trade would eventually help both countries..but it hasn't worked out that way.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:49 AM
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7. saw a guest on TV last night (News Hour-I think) who said...he favors
immigrants coming to the take the top jobs...why just penalize the lower wage earners and middle class?

He said...When "we" meaning he and the other guest who earn top dollar with degrees etc. start losing our jobs and the quality of our lives is lowered..then...the talking heads will understand what is happening.

It was a different twist on the subject. The other guest was shocked at the suggestion HA! During the show He kept repeating it was because we lack education...and there was no problem. It was good to see the look on his face at that suggestion!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:39 AM
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5. Some I Know Are Retraining For the Third Time
I remember my parents telling me how important company and brand loyalty were. Where, if you worked hard and took care of the company, the company would take care of you. Thankfully I never believed that...I had chosen a field where moving from job to job was a way of life.

Recently I caught up with a long-time friend who once again was taking classes at the local JC. He has a BA in Liberal Arts (hoped to go to grad school but couldn't afford it at the time...took a job upon graduation)...and went into Public Relations...then, when the business collapsed during the Raygun years, he went back to school...picked up a second degree in Business Administration and found a job as a HR manager with a large communications company. One would have thought he finally found his place. Not the case. Two years ago, that large communications company outsourced his division and he's back in school...this time taking up hotel/motel management. Sad...just plain sad.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:44 AM
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6. 6.5 billion and counting
With more people, and more automation, people are worth less.

In an economic sense. I mean, a human is a human, but seriously, who are we kidding? We live in a world where production, profit, competition, and efficiency are priority #1. We are the play toy of the corporation. It owns our time. That little clock on your wall makes sure you know it, too.
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