McKinney's statement

[Rosemary2205]

I've seen several posts on DU saying McKinney's Congressional ID was not excepted. According to McKinney's statement this is not true.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8361195/detail.html

This morning at approximately 8:57 am, I was going to a Budget Committee meeting due to start at 9:00 am. I was rushing to my meeting when a white police officer yelled to me. He approached me, bodyblocked me, physically touching me. I used my arm to get him off of me. I told him not to touch me several times. He asked for my ID and I showed it to him. He then let me go and I proceeded to my meeting and I assume that the Police Officer resumed his duties.

[WhiteTara]

1. thanks for the post

The Dirty Tricks Committee is working full time. Kkkarl must have discovered meth and he is frenetic.

[Rosemary2205]

3. Yes, the right has embellished on the truth.

The RW hoard is trying to say she's claiming the policeman refused to accept her ID because her hairstyle was different than in the ID. McKinney never said that and I wanted to set the record straight.

[WhiteTara]

11. embellished my A**. They are lying

as usual. The Dirty Tricks Committee knows no other way. They couldn't win in a fair fight if their lives depended on it. Unfortunately, ours does.

[warrior1]

2. Too late

court of public opinion has all ready convicted her.

I stand with Rep. McKinney.

[DELUSIONAL]

6. As do I!

[AuntiBush]

71. Same Here - 110 Percent!

[BuyingThyme]

4. Yeah, she showed her identification AFTER the incident.

That's the problem.

[xultar]

5. But if I have some guy body blocking me and my ID is under my

blazer, I need to get the mutherfucker off of me first before I can show the asshole my ID

Right?

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[xultar]

24. So you're saying she is lying and he didn't touch her?

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[xultar]

28. You're so kute. You act as if White cops actually listen to black folk!

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[northofdenali]

89. You're completely right, Xultar - and not only blacks.

I've seen such disrespect here for Alaska Natives in both federal and state court. It's disgusting. This was PRE-911 and I could waltz into the courthouse, thru the metal detector and never get a second look. Half the time, because of the metal in my suit pockets, the thing would go off. They'd wave me through without a single check.. At that time, I was working for some attorneys - white chick, in my mid-40s.

Listen to other-than-white? There were exactly 3 guards I could find that were respectful to everyone. The rest? If it hadn't been so awful to see, it would have been funny; I'd expect to see this kind of behavior in some over-the-top Eddie Murphy movie.

[pimpbot]

31. Theres the initial problem, ID should be clearly displayed

But it wasn't, so shes partly to blame for this whole situation.

[xultar]

49. OH MY FUCKING GOD. It doesn't mean they an man handle you

for any reason.

So if I don't have my ID on @ work a man can just start grabbing me?

I don't think so.

[pimpbot]

55. Do you walk through a security checkpoint at work?

Where I work if I walked through a security checkpoint without my ID I would expect to hear someone yelling for me to stop, followed by the guard physically trying to stop me if I didn't.

We need to see the security tape to determine if he used excessive force. As I've said in all my other posts, I dont think she helped the situation by going through a checkpoint without the proper ID, or making sure someone cleared her through. Better to be safe than sorry.

[xultar]

58. Yeah, But they don't man handle me first. They ask me to display it.

If he touched her first that is the issue.

I'm going to tell you I've been assualted sexually. I don't want ANY mutherfucker touching me unless I tell them too. NONE.

[pimpbot]

67. She walked through, then continued to keep walking

As said before, I will reserve judgement on if excessive force was used until the video comes out (if it ever does). Otherwise its her word against his.


What if you dropped something, and a person came up behind you and touched you to get you to stop? Would you sock them in the face?

[qanda]

110. What I want to know is why they didn't shoot her

If they thought she had breached security and posed a great threat then why didn't they shoot her? If she had breeched security the last thing that they would want to do is to go up and grab her-- if she were a terrorist she could set off her bomb. So, to me it is obvious that this police officer knew exactly who she was and was antagonizing her because I guess that's how he gets his kicks. This whole thing just pisses me off to no end.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

59. How do you know it wasn't clearly displayed?

[pimpbot]

69. She admitted she wasn't wearing the required ID

That allows congresspersons to bypass the metal detectors.

[Catrina]

72. Where did she admit that?? Did you read her statement?

[cherokeeprogressive]

81. I read it.

"It is true that I have changed my hairstyle. It is true that at the time I was not wearing my pin. But many Members of Congress aren't wearing their pins today. Just in the last hour at least 8 Members of Congress have been spotted speaking from the well of the House without their pins and even more have been seen on the Hill today not wearing their Congressional pin."

Her words. Her statement.

Political Grandstanding in it's purest form.

If she had been an imposter, and blew up the Capitol building, we'd be accusing the Capitol Police of being rethugs who wanted to keep the mid-term elections from taking place.

I'm tired of this kind of stuff.

[Catrina]

88. Do you have a link to that please? She showed him her ID, he then let

let her pass with no further incident ~ clearly he was incompetent. His job is to recognize AND PROTECT members of Congress. How can he protect them if he isn't even competent enough to RECOGNIZE them?

YOU'RE tired of this kind of stuff?? Well, that's unfortunate. I'M tired of hearing about Democrats being anthraxed, who are not important enough that the very police hired to protect them don't even know who they are. However, I'm not so self absorbed as to think anyone gives a rat's ass whether I'M tired or not!

What if while he was hassling a member of Congress who, his requirement says, he should have known, a terrorist had come along and blew up the whole place?? What we would be saying then?

The man failed to do his job. It's that simple. He should be fired. She should sue the police and maybe they'll start hiring competent people to protect members of Congress from now on, instead of hassling them.

[pimpbot]

93. No where in that statement

Does it say other members of congress passed through a checkpoint without displaying the pin.

When you walk into a bar and the bouncer asks for ID, do you just keep walking? I don't know what kind of fantasy world you all are living in, but she started this whole fiasco by not following the required procedure. And no I don't believe its required that every cop on duty must memorize every authorized congressperson that can bypass the checkpoint.

Even if they "get to know and recognize" certain members, I dont think thats a good thing. You shouldn't be allowed through on your reputation only. Thats a severe security lapse. In fact, I find this whole "bypass with ID" thing very insecure. They should have a seperate line for authorized members, who can use their ID/badge to go through either a turnstyle or gate. That way it is not up to the guard to memorize everyones face.

[Tsiyu]

104. So now an ELECTED lawmaker on her way to work

is reduced in your mind to a sot going into a bar for a drink?

Scuse?


There is some real strange analysis going on. If you want to know my feelings, see my Journal.


The apologists for this Pussy Security Outfit are the only ones living in a fantasy land. It's sad to see.

[timtom]

107. Oh, horseshit!

This kind of draconian "security" really works, don't it???

Murrah Building, e.g.

And the countless reports of someone in the last 3 years purposely simulating leaving possible explosives on three different airlines and then alerting the FBI what they had done -- as a lesson.

And 4 fucking jumbo jetliners disappear withing an hour of each other and no one knows a thing and AFTER ALL THAT SUPPOSED SECURITY!!

And meanwhile 82 year old granny gets the big frisk because she might have a metal plate in her hip that she told them about several fucking times!!!!

Please pardon my language, but we accept the security gates as "that which should be" and argue from that point forward. We need to get rid of those secuirty gates.

Flame away, me hearties!!

[pimpbot]

98. Maybe you should re-read the statement

Because it says it quite clearly:

"Unfortunately, the Police Officer did not recognize me as a Member of Congress and a confrontation ensued. I did not have on my Congressional pin but showed the Police Officer my Congressional ID."

She showed her ID after she was confronted.


However, it is these statements which make me wonder WTF shes thinking:

"It is true that I have changed my hairstyle. It is true that at the time I was not wearing my pin. But many Members of Congress aren't wearing their pins today. Just in the last hour at least 8 Members of Congress have been spotted speaking from the well of the House without their pins and even more have been seen on the Hill today not wearing their Congressional pin. How many of them were stopped by Capitol Hill Police?"

You know what, I bet everyone who was speeding on the beltway and got pulled over said the same thing. Everyone else was speeding, how come they didnt get pulled over? If she had been wearing the proper ID and this still happened, I'd be 100% on her side. However she did not, and then in her statements dismisses the fact she wasn't wearing it. This guy probably could have handled the situation better, but she could also own up to the fact she is partly to blame.

I guess all someone has to do is dress up like a congressperson and waltz right into the capitol according to some of you. How dare they stop and question someone.

[Hekate]

79. Rep. McKinney is a MEMBER OF CONGRESS. It's HIS JOB to recognize her.

It's HIS JOB.
It's IN HIS JOB DESCRIPTION.
It's AN ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENT of HIS JOB to be able to recognize MEMBERS of CONGRESS.

Cynthia McKinney is a MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

Repeat as necessary.

Jesus. Christ. on. a. trailer-hitch.

In disgust,

Hekate

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. 435 in the House. 100 in the Senate

Not to mention those in the Cabinet. Pres. VP. etc.

You're NOT telling me that you're willing to trust CAPITOL SECURITY to one man's FUCKING MEMORY, are you? She even changed her fucking hairdo.

If I'm a Senator with a beard, and I shave my beard, he's SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE ME?

That, my friend, is the absolute stupidest notion I've ever heard.

Since everyone is source happy, would you have a link proving what is, and what isn't in his job description? And whether or not it's limited to MEMBERS OF CONGRESS and doesn't extend to those other people who enter and exit; like cabinet members?

[seabeyond]

83. andif the man said, i am new, i dont recognize you, may i please

see your badge. do you think there would have been any problem at all. anywhere. you think that alone would have kept there from being a single issue. isnt that the mature, responsible, professional way for the cop to have handled it.

i dont see it can be even partly mckinneys fault that the cop was an asshole grabbing her when there was no need what so ever. and i as a female would be pissed if ANY man including a cop was grabbing me either. knowing i had done nothing wrong.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. LOL!! Tell us what you really think!! :-))

[Mr_Spock]

108. I'm with you

kick the guys ass, then ask why he was attacking you. Idiot should have recognised her anyway.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. Or the security guard failed to notice that she was wearing it.

[joeybee12]

7. The problem I have with her statement is that she makes herself out to

be totally the victim, and that really gives me pause. The whole thing is probably getting blown out of proportion, and I don't think she's helping her case. Then again, there are plenty of plenty ready to belive the security guard totally, even though none of those people were even there.

[DELUSIONAL]

12. She IS the victim!

A man putting his hands on you makes you a victim. He was using his position to manhandle a woman.

I assume that you are male and you will NEVER EVER understand this issue.

She has made her statement -- now let it go and accept her vision. She is on our side.

[ShaneGR]

18. Ermmm, so cops arent allowed to detain females?

That's news to me.

[tatertop]

29. But we must eat our own!

How can anyone not take the word
of a respected Congresswoman
WE KNOW to be of the highest integrity?

[mondo joe]

39. Even good people sometimes do dumb things.

It's always very sad when a good person makes a dumb mistake.

That doesn't mean McKinney did in this instance - but I am not willing to have a double standard for Democrats on legal issues.

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[cynatnite]

19. I agree...this thing sounds like it's been blown out of proporation n/t

[IndyOp]

8. The media is lying... unless you think "used my arm" = "slap"

The story linked above -- which seems typical of what I am reading -- is not reporting the story as McKinney said it happened and until they see the videotape and show it to us -- they should be reporting what she said - especially in a story that is reporting on her statement! :grr:

WSBTV story: "In that statement she expresses regret for slapping a police officer who stopped her at a security check point."

McKinney's statement: "I was rushing to my meeting when a white police officer yelled to me. He approached me, bodyblocked me, physically touching me. I used my arm to get him off of me."

:grr:

[LostinVA]

23. It was "punched" at first

A big difference between punched, slapped, hit with cell phone, etc.

[file83]

50. Exactly - they NEVER intended to "Press Charges" - they just wanted to

plant the "image" in peoples memories that McKinney is a "violent person", and then let it go. The point is that millions of people now think that she "punched" and officer. It's total bullshit. If that officer doesn't want to get "touched", then maybe he shouldn't "touch" others first!

Not to mention, the U.S. Captiol Police announced that they will NEVER release the video tape of the "incident". Gee, I wonder why that is!?

[LostinVA]

53. OMG! Wouldn't they HAVE to if she's charged?

They are beyond transparent....

[file83]

62. Exactly - if they "Press Charges" then the video tape would be released...

...which in the end would just clear McKinney of any wrong doing. Good call.

[LostinVA]

75. So.... are we betting charges won't be pressed?

After the "damage" has been done???

[file83]

78. That's exatly what we are betting. It's a smear campaign. Anyone

who knows her work will know why they are doing it too.

Most of the people here have NO CLUE what she has done in the areas of 9/11 truth, questioning the Pentagon why there is $2.3 trillion simply missing (Pentagon admits it), questioning why DynCorp still gets government contracts after they were caught (so was KB&R) doing human trafficking...etc.

She is the most dangerous congress woman to the establishment, they want her out. She was already pushed out of office once, but she came back.

[Karenina]

106. But...but...but...

Now "they say" she "poked" the guard with her cell phone!!! That's more important than the courageous stands she's taken of behalf of the American people. First things first. Hire a rent-a-cop to put the uppity little Negress in her place! Roll the presses!!!

[SeattleGirl]

9. Thanks for posting Ms. McKinney's statement

I figured the Wingnuts were making this out to be much more than it was. Seems to me the officer was in the wrong, not Ms. McKinney's.

[oasis]

10. McKinney was not treated with the respect due an ordinary citizen. The

(kkk)capitol cop was way out of line. I smell a set up. This cop is Linda Tripp on a smaller scale. He's likely doing the bidding of rightwing higher ups.

[ShaneGR]

16. Bullshit...

If I tried to walk through a security checkpoint at Capital Hill I would expect the be stopped by Police. That's the treatment ANYONE should get.

[oasis]

21. The asshole cop should have verified her identity with another cop. This

guy was most likely a gung ho tool of the right wing. If you knew anything about Cynthia's activist history, you'd know what I was talking about.

[druidity33]

87. yeah but...

you ain't no Congressperson. Least of all the most recognizable Congressperson on the whole freaking planet. How many other folk look like McKinney in that House? Yeah, not too many...

[ShaneGR]

13. A white police officer....

Why is it significant to her that it was a white police officer? That's an issue right there. And second, she admits she did not have her ID on.

With all that said, she says she "Used my arm to get him off me." That could mean a number of different things.

[oasis]

22. Duh! Black people are often treated differently by white cops.

Do you get around much?

[me b zola]

15. It doesn't sound as though the officer felt as though he were assaulted

If felt as though he had been assaulted, or that Rep McKinney had done anything improper, the officer would have detained her at the time of the "incident".

Thank you for posting, Rosemary2205, and welcome to DU :toast:

[file83]

52. Exactly - if you really "PUNCHED" an officer, you wouldn't get to

just "walk away". You can't assault an officer and get away with it. You get arrested. So this story was TOTAL bullshit just to make people think they remember that McKinney is a "violent" black woman. It's BULLSHIT!!

[Gabi Hayes]

68. oops..misread your post

sorry

[im10ashus]

17. Wait!

She SHOWED him her ID and he let her go? That should be the end of this. The media needs to get a clue.

[atldem]

27. She's the one who held a press confrence. n/t

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[atldem]

40. Yesterday afternoon at about 5:30pm she held a press

conference. It was on WSB-TV channel 2 here in Atlanta. Complete with 2 lawyers a speaker from NOW and at least 15 sign holding supporters behind her.

Don't call me a liar!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Boredtodeath]

43. I guess you missed that video of her on WSB-Channel 2?

Where she was doing everything in her power to calm the situation BY NOT COMMENTING. By walking into work at the Longhorn Building with 3 staffers, holding hands, being bombarded by reporters and cameras. You know, SILENTLY GOING TO WORK.

And that video of the capitol police leaving her office with her escorting them out the door - ALL OF THEM SMILING. That was Channel 11.

[atldem]

44. was that video before or after her PRESS CONFERENCE? n/t

[Boredtodeath]

66. DAYS BEFORE n/t

the first day it happened.

[me b zola]

57. AFTER the media was smearing her

:eyes:

[etherealtruth]

20. Help educate me ...

I can't see what the officer did that was out of line (I'd need to see the video and witness reports). If the guy wasn't sure who she was, he would be remiss if he didn't act as he did.

Is McKinney the only Rep that isn't always recognized?

My sister didn't immediately recognize me this morning (at a dental office) because I was dressed differently than I usually do (I wore "sweats" which is not expected of me).

I have been body-blocked by security guards (in the course of my work) for entering areas that I lacked the proper ID for ...

I need more info ...but, I can't support a Dem's bad behavior just because she's a Dem.

[pimpbot]

26. Exactly!

While I think the media is blowing this out of proportion and it really isnt a story.. She isn't helping things. Just because she is late for a meeting doesnt mean everyone should get out of her way. She bypassed the security checkpoint (which she is allowed to do) but failed to show identification. It sounds like the security guard was correct in following her and asking for ID. It sounds like he was too forceful in his tactics. I am not siding with him but I believe BOTH parties have some blame in this incident.

Would it have been so hard for her to say "I was late, rushing, and forgot to show ID. I'm sorry"? I mean, sometimes you just have to pick and choose your battles.

I go through security checkpoints everyday at work, and since its so routine you usually dont think about it. But I always make sure my ID badge is visable and that the guard sees it. Frankly, I'm a little surprised there is a way for members of congress to bypass a security checkpoint so easily. I would think there should be a turnstyle or gate that is badge activated.

[etherealtruth]

34. I am surprised as well that they are allowed to bypass security ...

I guess it is impossible for a "psycho" to be elected to public office :sarcasm:

[oasis]

32. You've been body blocked by guards more than once? You seem to be

an expert on the subject.:wow:

[etherealtruth]

36. I work for a consulting firm ...

... I sometimes don't take the time to do things the "right way" ... but when "caught" I certainly know that I am in the wrong and accept the consequences.

[Catrina]

45. Why was she body blocked? Why do Americans accept their police

abusing them like this as though it were okay? He should have asked her for her ID since she had done nothing up to that point to justify being 'body blocked' and she would have shown it to him. That's how it's done in most places, even here.

If there is video that shows him abusing her the way she describes simply to get an ID, then the cop is the one who is in trouble, imo. I am really disturbed by the acceptance of such treatment of ANY US citizen by the police. They need to respect the people who they are supposed to be serving. It's interesting that the woman is the one being judged here and she is not allowed to 'touch' this person, even to move his body away from hers, but he may touch her??? Why? Being a cop does not give him any special right to be abusive.

We have different ideas of what a democracy looks like ~ if the police expect respect, they must also behave properly. Most people are NOT criminals and will cooperate, as she did, if asked politely to do so. If that account is true, I can see why it's taking them so long to file charges.

[pimpbot]

46. She had done nothing to justify it?!?!??!

She walked through a security checkpoint without the required ID displayed. It was that action that set off this entire situation.

Go to your local airport and try to walk past the security checkpoint. See what kind of response you'll get.

[Catrina]

73. Who said she walked past the security checkpoint?

[robinlynne]

85. she did.

everyone did. she does it several times a day, for years.
This time, the guard decided she was not entitled to.

[Catrina]

86. And apparently she WAS entitled to, so the guard was wrong. Why are you

defending that? His job was to recognize her, he failed, he should be fired. In my job, I would be fired if I were to make such a devastating mistake. I'm astounded at how such imcompetence is being defended. But then, look at the total incompetence of the leadership of this country, so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

[LisaL]

91. WTF do you get the idea that his job is to recognize her?

Since congressmen and congresswoman are required to wear pins, then having to recognize them is obviously not in his job description. So, no, he didn't fail in his job.

[Rosemary2205]

47. Oh please

if another Timothy McVeigh were to get in the White House or Capitol building because there was little to no security and blew the place up you'd be howling with the rest of the country. Security asks you to stop, you refuse, they get only as physical as they have to to get you to stop.

The fact is, McKinney was asked to stop, she kept going, there was a MINOR confrontation and now all sides are trying to use it for their own ends.

I'd expect no less from an accomplished politician.

[Catrina]

74. Where did you get all that information? Did you read her statement or

did you decide the anonymous spokesperson for the police dept.'s account was all you needed to know despite the fact that it they have changed the story at least three times since the incident occurred?

Seems she now didn't 'whack' or 'punch' him, but 'poked' him! Guess the video didn't support the original claims maybe???

[Rosemary2205]

105. I'm the one that POSTED her statement.

I believe what she said happened actually happened.

She said the cop accepted her ID. - You said he didn't because the hairstyle didn't match.
She said the cop bodyblocked her (nothing about abuse)- you are all over DU claiming the cop groped her privates and/or assaulted her and/or abused her.

Obviously the RW whackjobs aren't the only ones eager to blow this all up out of proportion. IMHO dealing with the actual facts is probably a wiser idea - but to each his/her own.

[mondo joe]

48. Being blocked is not "abuse". He is reported to have asked her to stop

and she didn't.

Nothing about that indicates he acted improperly.

[Catrina]

76. That's not what Cynthia says. Why would you believe the cops over

Cynthia?

[robinlynne]

80. because she is a congresswoman.

congresswomen do not have to go through security.
other people do.
he should have known who she was.
then he grabbed her by the arm.
she turned around and hit him.
it's really simple.
not that much to it.
he messed up.
she reacted.

[file83]

56. What makes you think she's a "bad Dem"? The false accusation that

she "PUNCHED" the officer? Think about it.

If she had really "assaulted" the officer, don't you think she would have been detained?

Don't forget either that the U.S. Capitol Police announced that they will NEVER release the video tape of the incident.

It's obvious that they NEVER had plans to "Press Charges" - they just wanted to put their version of events out into the media world that she "PUNCHED" the officer - and then just let the story go. That way, even though McKinney only "touched" the officer's arm to make him let her go, they can say she "punched" him. Guilt by accusation - ZERO proof - only hearsay.

The end result? Now good Dems like yourself are questioning her "violent" tendencies. Their plan worked.

[LostinVA]

77. And, they keep on changing the story

Punched, hit with phone, slapped, whatever.... total joke. And, trying to make her appear like the stereotypical "crazy black woman."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. If you can point out her "bad behavior", please do.

[rpgamerd00d]

33. I think she could still get arrested, but I doubt the CP has the nads.

Clearly she broke the law. You cannot resist a cop if they try to detain you.
By her own words, he did not grab her from behind, he body blocked her. I really hope people know what a body block is. He interposed himself in front of her bodily, detaining her.
She then admits to shoving him.

Minor? Yep, totally minor and not worthy of arrest.
Technically illegal ? Yes.
Could they arrest her? Yes, there is enough evidence for arrest.
Will they arrest her? Again, I seriously doubt it.

[BuyingThyme]

38. Yep. They will likely talk it out.

McKinney will hopefully stop the crap and admit that she acted inappropriately. The police will than say that they acted appropriately but regret the situation got blown out of proportion.

It's not clear what's happening, but it appears that the only thing keeping this from going away quickly is McKinney's refusal to recognize that she's not above the law.

[file83]

60. She'll NEVER get arrested. If she had really done anything wrong,

she would have been arrested on the spot. Think about it, assault a security guard at the local courthouse and see what happens. Do you think they'll let you walk away? Hell no.

[rpgamerd00d]

63. She couldnt be arrested on the spot. The law prohibits it.

Congress people cannot be arrested going to/from congress.
Its a law.

[file83]

65. They can if they assault officers.

[July]

103. What law is that?

I don't know anything about laws governing Congress. Could you fill us in?

[Rainscents]

41. I remembered all the treads about hang her... She punched him.

Gosh, this is reason why, I wait until the facts come out.

[file83]

61. It still amazes me how easily people are fooled by media reports of false

or unsubstantiated accusations by the GOVERNMENT. It's pretty pathetic. I called it the day it happened that she'll NEVER get arrested because that wasn't their intentions. Their only intention was to SMEAR McKinney by putting out their version ("PUNCHED the OFFICER") of events. It's her word against the U.S. Capitol Police's video tape - which they will NEVER release.

This was just a smear campaign, nothing more. I'm glad you waited before you passed judgement, instead of just being another puppet easily manipulated by the media's strings. :thumbsup:

[Gabi Hayes]

70. a frickin MEN, bra!

what is WITH these people?

do a chill, mons!



then...get up, stand up!

[Hekate]

82. Rep. McKinney is a MEMBER OF CONGRESS. It's HIS JOB to recognize her.

It's HIS JOB.
It's IN HIS JOB DESCRIPTION.
It's AN ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENT of HIS JOB to be able to recognize
MEMBERS of CONGRESS.

Cynthia McKinney is a MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

Repeat as necessary.

Jesus. Christ. on. a. trailer-hitch.

In disgust,

Hekate

:rant:

[LisaL]

90. If it's in his job description, then why do members of congress

wear pins? Obviously it is not.

[Hekate]

96. Not "obviously" at all -- practically everyone has to wear badges now

However, that doesn't excuse not recognizing one of the high-ranking professionals he works for.

This would not pass muster at my County's administrative building.

And not just this guard, but others. And not all the guards, but only the white ones.

Again, this would not pass muster in my County, which is the government entity I'm most familiar with.

And for some reason, it doesn't seem to happen to the white Members of Congress -- and there are hundreds of them, so many more faces to memorize than the mere 14 women in the Congressional Black Caucus.

It's a puzzlement.

It really is.

Hekate

[pimpbot]

100. Maybe everyone else actually wears their pin while going through security?

I'm no expert on capitol hill security, but it sounds like this pin + your ID is enough to go through the "bypass" line. However, it doesnt seem like it is required that it be worn at all times while inside the security zone.

We are lacking any true facts about how often members of congress bypass the security checkpoint without wearing the pin.

[pimpbot]

94. Please provide proof of the job description

Lets take a out of the ordinary case. A person just got elected as their districts rep. By your logic, every officer should memorized their phyiscal description. When said new rep walks through a security checkpoint WITHOUT the required identification clearly visible, they shouldn't be questioned at all.

I'd call that a lapse in security. In fact, I'd call any system designed around soley physically identifying authorized personel flawed. Sure the pin could be forged, but it adds another layer of security. Fact is she didnt display it, this cop saw that and went to verify her identity.

If he used excessive force to do so, then hes at fault. But I dont think the fact that he stopped her was a problem. Just because she was late is no excuse to not stop when asked. Nor is talking on a cell phone an excuse either.

[Hekate]

97. After 11 years in office? You're looking to make excuses for the MSM smear

Thank you for your input.

Oh, and btw, if the guards are civil service employees, much about their worklife is public record: pay grades and job descriptions included. (I used to work in a UC personnel office; later I worked for the County -- both public institutions.) So if you want to continue this exercise, go look it up yourself because I'm getting bored.

Hekate

[pimpbot]

99. No, i'm not trying to excuse the MSM

In fact, if you read all my postings, I stated I think this has been blown out of proportion. It appears a simple misunderstanding, and if her and this cop would just apologize to each other it'd be done with. But then we get reports from the police that she "slapped" him, and she issues press releases stating he should have known better and that its crazy to expect a member of congress to follow the rules and show the required identification while passing through a security checkpoint.

I just don't buy the excuse that he should have visually known she was who she was and not asked for identification. Most of the time where I work the same guards are at my checkpoint, however every now and then there is someone different. Maybe a reserve officer? Maybe someone called in sick? Maybe he was new on the job? Maybe hes a racist bastard? The truth is, we don't know.

[robinlynne]

102. She is not new. She was not just elected. So your argument has nothing t

to do with cynthia mckinney. I think I read 8 terms in office. I know who she is, and I've never been in the same city at the same time.

[robinlynne]

84. you guys. it's simple.

and should not be such a big deal.
He didn't recognize her as a congresswoman. She has been a congresswoman for years.
congresswomen do not go through security.
the guards know who they are.
they also have a little pin they can wear to identify themselves as congrespeople. she didn't have hers on.

the guard went after her, and grabbed her arm. she turned around and hit him with her hand (with cell phone in hand).


that is all.
cop makes mistkae
cynthia makes mistake, or, in my book, reacts. I might easily react the same way. Women do not like being grabbed. period.
she was also probably pissed that the guard did not recognize her as a congresswoman.

she probably shouldn't have hit him. but so what?
when you get grabbed, you may react.
simple.

[seabeyond]

92. sounds right to me n/t

[pimpbot]

95. Exactly, both made mistakes

I just found it wierd that her statement singled him out as a "white" officer and that she was late for a meeting and he "should have known who i was".

[robinlynne]

101. If you go to her website, whihc I did, to send her a letter of support,

you will see a clip from a film where she is going in to the capitol, a black policeman salutes her and says "god bless you", then a white policeman comes running out to check who she is. When the reporter says to the guard "congresswoman", the guard apologizes profusely. He should have known who she was. She is sweet about it and remarks that this happens all the time. So there is a history of the police questioning her entrance to the congress. That has got to be angering and humiliating. She is a congresswoman for goodness sakes! In other words, there have been racist fuck-ups going on for a long time. She dealt with it gracefully. This week the cop grabbed her. She probably could have filed charges, but she is busy trying to protect this country!

[Mr_Spock]

109. It does seem that such a simple incident has been blown WAY out of propor

-tion. Why are we even discussing this here?

Oops, guess this ought to be my last post on this topic :D