Where are the Chinese in the immigration brouhaha?

[TomInTib]

That is the topic missing from the whole discussion.

The absence of the Chinese problem in this debate is not an oversight, it has to be a general concensus between media and government to just avoid the subject. The numbers, while not that of Hispanics, are large.

Living where I do, I am aware of more illegal Chinese than I am of Hispanics, locally. I know that is just a local quirk, but it is a fact.

And then there are the Russians. I live in a very exclusive little town on S F Bay and we are being overrun by illegal Russian Mafia. They come in and pay $5 million-plus cash for these houses and tool around in Rolls, Bentleys, Ferraris, etc.
I am talking about BlackHawk raids in the middle of the night by FBI, DEA, and Treasury.
And there is no mention of any of it in the local media.

[eleny]

1. The Chinese sweatshops of New York City are notorious, too

The people work long, hard hours sewing for very little pay.

[Cleita]

3. Yes, a lot of the garment sweat shops still in our country

employ these poor victims.

[Cleita]

2. Apparently they don't speak Spanish.

[EFerrari]

9. LOL! That's funny, Cleita. I needed that.

Lol

[Maestro]

22. Oh crap! You owe me a keyboard!

But really and more seriously to the point, until someone actually feels threatened by Chinese, they will not be included in the immigration debacle er, debate.

[Cleita]

24. Maestro all kidding aside,

read post #16. It's pretty disturbing. I think our hispanic detainees may be headed for the same detention centers.

[Maestro]

31. It happens already. You're right.

I work with immigrants all the time and even legal ones are harrassed. I work with this wonderful lady who is here legally. Her son didn't pay a traffic violation and was arrested. Yes, he should have paid the ticket. But the police kept him jail even after his mother came to pay the fine. They said he had provided a false identity. No, what he had done was given his name, let's say, Juan Guiterrez (not real name). His driver's license stated that he was Felipe Juan Hernandez Guiterrez. This is by no way a case of stating a false identity. He was turned over to the INS. To get out they told him he could either fight the charge in court or sign a release stating he would go back to his home country, Mexico. Her son is now gone and can not return legally because of this crap.

Also, here in the Dallas some rogue cops decided to target undocumented workers with trumped up drug charges. It was found that they had illegally detained dozens of undocumented workers because of possession of flour not cocaine. These workers were defenseless and all deported further splitting up families for no reason.

[Cleita]

32. OMG! We'd better start writing our Democratic senators about these

incidents as we run across them. From what I've read here on DU, we can't expect much from the mainstream community of Americans who consider anyone different from them pariah. I think our liberal senators will take heed if they get enough mail about this across their desks.

[eleny]

4. I saw one demonstration on tv where Asian people were particpating

It may have been on Fox. I'm sorry that I can't remember what channel and what city - but it was aired this morning.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. Because of the lack of a common border, the numbers aren't nearly so high

as with Mexico, but it's a pretty significant thing as I understand it.

Snuck in the cargo holds of ships frequently (occasionally you'll see a news item about one being discovered, or running aground or whatever and the immigrants discovered). Otherwise they get "laundered" through scams involving organized crime "snakehead" intermediaries and snuck through Mexico or other countries.

[Disturbed]

6. Does Shrub's Guest Worker Scam include

all Immigrants?

[eleny]

8. I've presumed that it would be

And that it would be used to bring in people with all sorts of high level skills. People who would be willing to share living quarters with many others and work for low wages. Thus putting even more working class and middle class Americans out of work. No doubt, W and his "base" are scheming for more low paid wage earners than this current bruhaha is all about.

[Inland]

7. A lot of the "open borders" advocates on DU seem to concentrate

on people from Mexico who desire to immigrate, and conservatives see a threat from Mexico.

[savemefromdumbya]

10. What about all those British nannies!

LOL!

[Neil Lisst]

11. Chinese illegal immigrants? They get LOCKUP.

The last I read, there are around 700 illegal immigrants from China being held in detention camps in the US, with 38,000 under house arrest, with detention centers under construction.


edited to correct info

[Cleita]

Link?

I'm not doubting you but I hope you have something to back that statement up with.

[Neil Lisst]

16. Here it is.

I found a reference, and under 1000 are actually in custody now, but as this story reflects, there are 38,000 under house arrest, and the government is planning on moving entire families into detention centers.

Here's the story:
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/03-06/03-15-06/19world-nation.htm

Chinese won't take back deported citizens, Chertoff says
By LARA JAKES JORDAN , Associated Press writer

WASHINGTON — China is refusing to take back an estimated 39,000 citizens who have been denied immigration to the United States and have clogged detention centers at federal expense, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Chertoff said that China last year readmitted 800 people. But that made only a small dent in what he described as a backlog of thousands illegally in the U.S.
"The math is pretty easy — at that rate, we wind up with increasing numbers of migrants who, if we're going to detain them, we're going to have to house at enormous expense," Chertoff said. He added: "We can't be in the position any longer where we are paying the burden and bearing the burden for countries that won't cooperate with us and take their own citizens back."

Currently, 687 Chinese are being held in federal detention facilities, at a daily rate of $95 each, while some 38,000 have been released on bond or under a monitoring program, such as wearing an electronic surveillance bracelet, the Homeland Security Department said later yesterday.

Illegal immigrants can be held for 180 days before they are released.
Chertoff also said Homeland Security would open detention facilities in the next few weeks to house entire families of illegal immigrants who hope to bring their children along in order to avoid jail time. "It'll be humane, but we're not going to let people get away with this," he said.

[Cleita]

17. Okay thanks because I find this really disturbing and

if I talk about it someone else, I want to be able to back it up.

[Neil Lisst]

18. it seems to a hint at where Homeland Security is headed

It is very troubling. It looks as if they plan on housing thousands of illegal Chinese in permanent detention camps, families included.

I correctly predicted this in 2001 - the building of large detention camps under the Bush administration, funneling money by the billions to Bush related private interests, placing prisoners in the hands of extra-governmental business entities.

American Gulag. We are well on the way, and it's frightening. It's one reason I did the whole Bush as John Hurt in V for Vendetta in my cartoon series last week.

[Cleita]

19. This is what I've been afraid of. The march to fascism will

lead to this. People won't learn from history and now we aren't allowed to discuss the parallels from other times to these times.

[Neil Lisst]

27. yeah, that's the problem. First, they "detain" Chinese in camps.

from there, it's a progression

[EFerrari]

13. The prison lobby loves it.

CA's most powerful lobby, fyi.

[EFerrari]

12. Don't we owe then 20 bucks?

:silly:

[TomInTib]

15. For what?

And you would not believe the impact the Russians are having here.

They are buying everything, B. And I mean everything.

Their agents are bidding UP on every property they are interested in. Bidding up on $10-20 million dollar properties.

And to top it off, we have several extremely high-end Oriental callgirl rings operating right here in town. All these old guys having dinner with these stunning young women.

This isn't the same town it used to be.

Now about that twenty bucks.....?

[EFerrari]

21. Wow. I would have thought that Tib was much more stable

and I don't know why.

A few years go, I went into a BofA in the SF "Russian" district and half the tellers were Asian.

We're a milkshake.

lol

[TomInTib]

25. It's the real estate.

They can sink many millions of laundered (illegaly gained, whatever) in a residence without drawing any attention whatsoever.

Then they flip them amongst themselves.

We have our own little soap opera over here.

[Minnesota Libra]

14. I'm one of the few who have NOT focused on any one illegal alien..........

.....group, nor have I ignored one border over another. Anyone who reads my posts on the issue of illegal aliens will notice one thing - I do not mention race, color, country, anything like that. I've tried to say BOTH borders need to be shut down and ALL illegal aliens need to be stopped from entering this country. Legal immigration is fine with me illegal aliens - whoever they are - are not all right EVER.

[RagingInMiami]

30. Self-edit

[cantstandbush]

20. Where are they? Keeping very quiet, that's where. n/t

[Disturbed]

23. Detention Camps

This is the new Haliburton Project. Will millions be housed in these places?

[Cleita]

26. Where are they going to get the prisoners to work in the

fields once all the immigrants are locked up? Oh, the immigrants will now work in the same fields, but the taxpayer will pay for their work because now they are prisoners.

[Lefty48197]

28. How many American jobs have gone to Chinese & Mexicans?

I'll bet at least 1000 jobs have gone to China for every job "taken" by a Mexican.

[RagingInMiami]

29. Their Chinese probably don't march through the streets waving their flag

So they have nothing to worry about.

[Cleita]

33. Oh really have you ever been in any Chinatown in the USA on

Chinese New Year?

[RagingInMiami]

34. Then I say we deport them all