Capitol Police change accusation of McKinney from "punched" to "poked"...

[file83]

First they said McKinney "punched" the officer.
Today, they say she "poked" the officer.

The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building, said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident.

(source: The Washinton Post)

"Poked"???

So which is it, U.S. Capitol Police, did McKinney "punch" him, or "poke" him?

What a joke. Nothing like changing your story to expose the false accusation.

McKinney: 1
U.S.C.P.: 1

Wonder which way this tie game will end up...:shrug:

[Sensitivity]

1. POKED??? And these guys are defending the Capitol from TERRORISTS!

[file83]

4. LOL!! "Mommy, Mommy, the Congress woman POKED me with her cell!!"

"What will I do when the terrorists come!??"
:cry: :scared::cry: :scared::cry: :scared::cry: :scared:

[tnlefty]

17. Better a cell...

than a strap on, I guess? :shrug: One would've made a much more interesting story.

[file83]

34. LOL!! That and a "blue dress" that the officer kept in his closet....

after being 'poked'? :shrug:

[Jigarotta]

'uppity' black women cannot 'poke'.

new law.

[file83]

61. Ummm....if you read the previous post you'd know why she might

be able to "poke" the officer! :rofl: (something about a "strap on" was mentioned :yoiks:)

[Jigarotta]

125. ewww, I don't want to go there.

there's enough there to go to besides that. ;)

[file83]

128. lol - well, you asked....so...

:rofl:

[xultar]

14. We can bring town the Capital with a poke. Do we get a cuddle after?

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[slaveplanet]

220. Listen up,pal

The problem is, we've seen this shit before http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=229&row=1

This time round the gloves are off, no one gets a free pass to mess with our Cynthia...Including anti Caucus dems

who the hell are you to talk about integrity?

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[bmbmd]

2. Well-she did poke him

with a deadly weapon.

[file83]

6. "Mam, was the antenna of your phone extended or contracted when you

assaulted this noble Police Officer?"

"I must confess...it was....EXTENDED!! THERE! I admit it. I tried to kill him with my antenna, you happy now?!?"

[Karenina]

203. First, they said she PUNCHED him, right?

What happened to hit, smacked, slapped and assaulted??? Weren't those in the mix,too??? NOW it's POKED??? I'm.just.so.confused. :shrug:

[radwriter0555]

3. Hey, CHENEY poked his friend in the face 200 times with bird shot and

there wasn't even an investigation.


But then again, he's white, male, rich and republican.

[file83]

7. Yeah, in BushWorld....SHOTGUN? O.K.!!.... CELL PHONE? BAD!!

[BlooInBloo]

216. Talk about 2 Americas, eh?

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[Lars39]

48. lol

:popcorn:

[file83]

63. lol....

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

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[Pastiche423]

74. I do not want to leave the cheney shooting thing alone

For cripe's sake, he SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE and did not report it until almost 24 hours later (to get sober)!

The man (Wittington) had a heart attack after cheney SHOT THE MAN IN THE FACE!

It ain't old to me. Hell, it will never get old for me. (See my sig image.)

AND it is not the "same kind of nonsense".

Sheesh, political newbies get on my last nerve.

[Roon]

142. No doubt

How long did it take for Kennedy's accident to get old? 10 years? 20 years?

[Chiyo-chichi]

212. never gets old

[Aimah]

88. Ok,..but I don't think I've shot anyone in the face..

while hunting, and then wait a day to report it. I didn't know you could do that. Do that as in wait a day to report it. Clinton hasn't shot anyone. But Kerry was actually in a war and could have shot someone.

[HawkerHurricane]

98. So...

a lawyer dodging a incriminating question (Clinton) is equivilant to blowing away a hunting buddy by accident?

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[file83]

123. LOL!! n/t

[LostinVA]

137. Did I tell y'all I saw a nice piece of glass today? Yup, it was really

TRANSPARENT.

[Arkana]

144. Let's see...

A (reportedly) boozed-up Vice President shoots his hunting partner in the face, doesn't report it for two days, and then we eventually get the news out of the woman who owns the preserve near where they were hunting.

Sorry. I don't think I wanna leave this one alone.

[hootinholler]

184. That's right!

After all the real crime was hunting on an improper license. Let's get it right people.

-Hoot

[radwriter0555]

185. oh HELL no am I leaving "...the cheney shooting thing alone.." That FUCKER

shot his friend while drunk, LIED about it, obstructed an investigation and committed a serious crime, *THIS* short of manslaughter.

AND, worse, he used his power and connections to stop the investigation.

and for some reason, you think we should forget about it?

You want to see nonsense? How about 'what idiot goes hunting for quail at dusk?' Other than drunk idiots?

I suppose your position falls under "...the all gunshot wounds not inflicted by the Vice President of the United States are, as a general rule of thumb, treated as
potential crimes, until proven otherwise..." ???

Maybe you didn't notice that all of the key sources of information on the shooting are lying their asses off. For example, the owner of the ranch, Katharine Armstrong, has repeatedly presented herself as an eyewitness to the shooting, despite the fact that her initial statements clearly indicated that she had not seen a thing.

Want to see MORE nonsense? Show me Wittington's statement on the incident.

Surely a police report and investigation about an "accidental" shooting wouldn't conclude without a victim's statement, right?

That's the sound of crickets chirping....

But, more importantly, let's spend about $80 million dollars investigating blow job between 2 consenting adults, while Dead Eye Dick gets away with Almost Murder, okey dokey?

Your republicans are clearly above the law. I have a SLIGHT problem with this...and you should too.

Shooting another human while drunk is SOME sort of crime if you're not the vice president of the USA (a republican), if you're not on the ranch of the largest and most powerful landowners in the county, and if owners of the land are not related to the guys who investigated crime.

Only in Uhmurrikkkuh Under a bush, right?

And, just for the record? I still haven't gotten over the 2000 and 2004 elections, got it?

[Sanity Claws]

214. I have never known anyone to have an accident with a gun

Further, I've never heard of anyone who ever shot someone was not brought in for questioning.
This is not getting old but it is getting lost among all the other examples of callous disregard of people shown by Bush Co.

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[rpgamerd00d]

5. That wasnt a quote from the cop, that was just what the reporter said.

[file83]

9. Oh, just like "punched" wasn't a "quote"? Hmmm.... doesn't matter...

...the end result is that McKinney has been SMEARED:

[rpgamerd00d]

11. Thats bull.

Something happened, and involves her, her arm/hand, and the cop.

To deny it is just tinfoil-hattery.

[file83]

16. It's not bull. If you grab or push someone's arm away from you...

...does that qualify, or is it fair to say you "punched" that person? Answer that.

[rpgamerd00d]

19. She committed misdemeanor assault if she touched him in any way.

Guess what?

She touched him.

Let the case work itself out. I doubt they will press charges anyway.

But stop with the moonbat tinfoil-hat "smear/frame/setup" bullshit. It gets old.

[file83]

28. Now, now, "rpgamerd00d", you wouldn't be trying to "flamebait" me...

...would you? It won't work, because I've got the

DU Flame Suit!!!

Nothing you say can burn me!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Were you saying something?

[Lars39]

35. LOL

That is the funniest damn thing! :rofl:
Looks like Grovelbot. :D

[file83]

45. Thanks man - grab a flame retardent suit for yourself - they come in handy

;-)

[ContraBass Black]

172. I need one of those.

[file83]

190. Go ahead, copy/share/distribute - SAFTEY is #1!!!!

[seabeyond]

37. the cop misbehaved. quit blaming the victim. dont allow these cops

total power over us to if we look them in the eye we are assaulting them. must keep eye down. they dont get to do whatever they want with our bodies and we must stand and take it. what kind of america do you want. who is it that is going to say enough is enough. over years i have watched police become more and more outrageous, yet people like you make excuses for them, allowing the situation to worsen. be bold. say no more. this isnt allowed.

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[seabeyond]

47. she was standing there talking to the man. he kept grabing her

she kept telling him not to touch her. she wasnt making a break for it. she showed her i.d. he kept touching, holding her and there was no reason. you may want to leave it to a cop to behave however he wants to behave. i personally dont want to give cops such freedom that they can be as out of control, or as much of an asshole as they chose to be. with americans excusing them and saying, a ok. it isnt ok. they have rules and guidelines they have to follow. and they have been stepping over the line more and more and people like you ignore it. dont. it is wrong. they have ultimate responsibility having the power over fellow human beings. and this cop, getting poked, and having to press charges, is obviously a bad cop. he couldnt resolve this any better than pressing charges, resorting to this level. this alone tells us his mentality. i dont want cops that behave like this having power over me.

[rpgamerd00d]

51. Your post is false.

None of what you posted is factual.

Provide a link if you disagree.

[seabeyond]

58. i doubt that it matters what mckinney has to say for you. you are

firmly on a cops side to be so inept at handling a situation that he has to press chargesfor a poke. what an ass. what a wimp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=816292&mesg_id=816292

[file83]

76. Bingo. You just nailed it on the head....Gee I wonder why that guy

believes the Cop and not the Black woman. Hmmmm...now why would that be?

Ummm...I can't quite think of the word...I know it starts with a 'b'...NO, wait, it starts with an 'r'?

Damn it, what's the word I'm looking for to discribe this guy?!?

[tnlefty]

195. Punk? Part PUNched and part poKed?

:shrug:

[file83]

65. LOL....OMG!!!

:popcorn:

[file83]

59. Exactly - I'm tired of people apologizing for this Cop's IGNORANCE

of who Cynthia McKinney was. He should ASSUME that everyperson walking around the metal detectors is a Congress member and intercept with RESPECT. Walk up in front of her and politely tell her, "I'm sorry mam, I'm new and I don't recognize everyone yet. I have to ask you to show me your identification," WITHOUT grabbing her like she's a criminal.

Show some respect and you will get respect. You don't get it by manhandling the woman, disrespecing her by DEFAULT just because she is black. This is the OFFICER's fault - he instigated the situation. For all the people that think the Officers should get "respect", I must remind them that so should the Congress members.

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[file83]

70. Wha? Did you say something....? I can't hear you in my

FLAME PROOF SUIT!!!!!

[LostinVA]

139. Hahahahha! You are seriously cracking me up with that thing!

[robinlynne]

169. me too!

[seabeyond]

75. bullseye. damn right. i am new. may i please hae some i.d.

wow. that is a touhg one. boy asking way too much from this man that thinks he is all that he is. to dare to have to be polite and respectful, .... wtf

damn right. that is all.... just friggin ALL it would haev taken. and how hard is that. seems to be TOO hard for this cop

[file83]

49. Thank you. The message the police are trying to send out is that if

you ever try and stand up for your rights when getting inappropriately touched by an officer, ladies, then you will be FALSELY accused of assaulting the officer. And when it's your word against the Police, your word ALWAYS loses.

I still wonder why the USCP aren't releasing the video tape. Hmmm....:freak:

[Roon]

146. A Gay friend of mine beat the rap

because he was all nelly in court and embarrassed the cop that he was accused of assaulting.

[IsItJustMe]

40. I bet your one of those types of people that would try to get someone

arrested if they looked at you cross eyed.

[Catrina]

160. And, if he touched her inappropriately in any way, HE committed a crime

We don't yet live in a police state. Interesting that you haven't considered that possibility. Or that the police have no more right to 'special treatment, consideration, or the presumption that they would never do anything wrong' than a black, female Congresswoman.

Yes, let's let the 'case' if there is one, work itself out without the assumption that someone who stood up for the rights of the people, must have done something wrong here, because, lord knows, the police would never dream of lying or acting inappropriately.

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[file83]

89. Of course I "gripe" - they SMEARED her. You are assuming that

she's the liar and that the Cop told the truth by saying she "punched" him and that they are now "letting her off easy."

They are the ones that shouted out to the world that she "punched" him, not McKinney. It's their responsibility now to PROVE it by releasing the tape so that McKinney can clear her reputation. But the USCP announced that they will NEVER do that.

That, my friend, is the definition of a "smear campaign". If she did it and they had video evidence of her "assault" as they describe it, they would have released the tape.

If their intentions are NOT to smear her (assuming she did do it, as you think) then WHY IN THE HELL did they go shouting out to the media that she "punched" the guy? The answer is obvious: they wanted to smear her.

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[file83]

101. But even in your hypothetical "if she didn't" you think it's okay that

they smeared her? Because you think I shouldn't have a "gripe" since they now said it's "poke".

If she didn't do it, they need to make a public announcement of apology to McKinney clearing her of all FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Changing the description to "poke" doesn't change the fact that MILLIONS of Americans now think of her as a "violent" person.

So, yes, I gripe.

Bottom line is, she's an innocent victim of a fucked up situation created by the officer.

[July]

206. And the hypothetical takes as proved that there was ---

"more realistically" -- a poke.

We still know neither what "it" was, or if there even was an "it."

"It" could range all the way from "did nothing" to the original claim "punched." WITHOUT EVIDENCE, though, I'm not accepting any versions of this story.

[LostinVA]

143. So, why are they saying they won't "ever" release the tape?

Hmmmm... gosh, maybe because it shows Rep. McKinney is RIGHT? Maybe the tape even shows someone else walking through without a badge on and not being stopped... betcha it shows alot of things.

And... this why she won't be charged, because the tape would have to e eshown.

Methinks the cop was all pissed by being shot down by a (black female) Rep, and mouthed off to someone, who mouthed off, who leaked it to the press... then, the tape was looked at, and they were like, "OMG!" Now, they want to save face, BUT still make it look like it's Rep. McKinney's fault.

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[LostinVA]

193. Quit calling me a liar -- because that's what you just did

I AM honest. I am a very, very honest person... maybe YOU'RE projecting.

[Caretha]

202. Now its jabbed and not poked?

First it was punched. When that didn't work and it became just a poke, you needed to upgrade it to a jab. Me thinks you dost protest too much.

[slaveplanet]

23. I'll agree there's some tinfoilhattery going on

but what I'm thinking of, involves a certain guy named Santa Claus, and it has to do with lumps of coal, and how I so do wish it were true.

[IsItJustMe]

27. You think they should hang her now or later.

[file83]

22. The reporter wrote that it was what Capitol Police SAID....if they told

the reporter "punched" and then the reporter changed it to "poked", then I'm sure we'll here about that. Chances are though, that the reporter had a little device called a "digital recorder", so they will never get to falsely accuse this reporter they way they have smeared McKinney.

Why do you think they haven't released the video tape?

[Scurrilous]

8. I say we let him poke her back...

...and call it even.

[file83]

13. This reminds me of Italians when they play soccer - they FAKE their

injuries just to draw the penalty. They are known as being the best FAKERS in international football (soccer).

[bpilgrim]

10. they -or the M$M- had to or since she would have been arrested on the spot

this story stinks to high heaven.

i stand with cindy.

peace

[merh]

15. Exactly.

And I stand with you.

[rpgamerd00d]

18. She was immune to arrest on the spot.

She was headed to a session, they couldn't arrest her unless she committed Felony Assault, which of course, she didn't.

[bpilgrim]

26. not for assault, especially if he didn't recognize her...

still, it's looking more and more to be a BS story to get back at her for being a critic of the neoCONs, imho.

peace

[rpgamerd00d]

30. Thats nonsense and you know it.

:tinfoilhat:

[bpilgrim]

50. if he didn't recognize her & she struck him, she would have been arrested.

expect the story to change even more... remember cheney?

i suppose you think the media is 'liberal' or balanced for the most part, as well :shrug:

peace

[rpgamerd00d]

55. Again, incorrect. She was immune to arrest.

Simple Battery (assault) is a MISDEMEANOR. You CANNOT arrest a Congressperson to/from a session of congress on a MISDEMEANOR.

Learn the law before you post inaccurate things.

[bpilgrim]

67. as i said, if he didn't recognize her & she struck him, as first reported

she WOULD have been arrested and released later...

the story stinks is all i am saying.

I stand with Cynthia.

peace

[robinlynne]

170. I am with Cynthia too.

But yes, he didn't recognize her. She walked by. He GRABBED her arm and she turned around and hit him.
as most women would do, when grabbed from behind, even on the arm.

[file83]

31. And that isn't "tin-foil" hattish?

Just because they were prevented by law from "arresting her on the spot", you conclude that she is guilty because they DIDN'T arrest her?

Wow. :tinfoilhat: Time to strap 'em on I guess!
:rofl:

[rpgamerd00d]

39. Since I didn't say that or imply it, I don't need to respond. -nt

[file83]

103. (pssst - You just did!)

Just for the record because you denied that you said it: Your post where you said that stuff got deleted. You brought this up, I didn't.

[Rainscents]

12. OMG, this story is getting way out of hand!

:crazy:

[Mz Pip]

I agree

This is such a non story.

Remember when Al Gore got pulled out of line at the airport to be searched? It was bizarre. This sort of reminds me of that. Kind of over the top but in the grand scheme of things not worth all the fuss that's being given to it.

Everyone seems to be protesting a bit too much IMHO.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[seabeyond]

20. poked? really after telling him not to touch her, she tried to get his

hands off her. really it was a touch, not a punch, not a poke. when i first heard the story i could see the man grabbing her, and she being offended, as i would, someone grabbing me. i would try to get his hands off me. was thinking she probably did the same. after hearing her story, it is sounding like she "just" wanted him to quit touching her. i totally understand. and this is the assholes the cops and security has become. this is why... i just dont trust, or respect or even like them anymore. then for the asshole to say he wants to press charges. he has free reigns to grab her, touch her whatever he wants, but the wuss now wants to press charges cause she poked? touched? tried to get his hands off her?

fuck them all

i am so sick of the security and cops getting free reign to do as they please and so many tell me,..... bet you will call them if you need them... like that ok's their arrogance and abuse of their power.

fuck them!

[file83]

43. This is just more of the "bow down to police authority" type

of propaganda they are trying to send out to us. We are supposed to think..."If a Congresswoman doesn't have the right to stand up to inappropriate touching from a Police Officer, then we certainly can't!!!"

This totally reminds me of that scene from "Crash" where the white officers pull over the black couple and proceed to feel up the man's wife. Well, they didn't do anything about it. But McKinney did, and now she's getting falsely accused of "punching" (or is it "poking") and officer.

It's racism because everyone believes that because she's a black woman, then she must be violent.

But if this was a white male congressman (that wasn't a "dissenter" against the Bush Administration), the men would have "straightened it out" amongst themselves and no one would have ever heard anything.

[seabeyond]

54. thats right. feeling you up. take it. dont push a hand away as it goes

to the crotch cause by god that cop is not ALLOWED to be touched. just shut your mouth and take it. i am outraged. i am mad, people on this board telling me we are suppose to be submissive to the woes of cops who are obviously out of control.

you are right on file...

i said in a post above, for this cop to not be able to resolve this any better than to say he wants to press charges for a poke, obviously this cop is just NOT good enough to wear the uniform. he has too much power. too much depends on a policeman to be able o resolve, not inflame a situation

[file83]

106. I have a saying...

Authority questions YOU.
Return the favor.
:hi:

[seabeyond]

114. ya well, i think i have the right. what gets me in trouble

though. hubby says i just dont know when to eep mouth shut, lower eyes, or be intimidated for my own good, golly gee. but then he wouldnt have it any other way

you know what, i just really feel i have the right to be treated respectfully.... especially when i have done nothing wrong. not to mention, they want respect, better give it to me in turn

[file83]

124. Amen!! I say Question Authority all day long!!

:pals:

[napi21]

21. It doesn't matter. Almost all touching of an officer is considered

assualting an officer.

[Rainscents]

25. OK, whatever.

[seabeyond]

29. fuck that shit napi. we have to stand and allow them to behave as

outrageously as they want, and we just allow. fuck that shit. i dont give a crap. i am fed up with this behavior of a cop, being justified and validated by people. you wonder why they are getting worse and worse? why any cop would even bring charges with this. it is because people,.... say shit like, well regardless of what the cop or security is doing, doesnt matter. almost all touching of an officer is considered assault. well again, f* that shit

[McCamy Taylor]

24. He groped her. He was not supposed to TOUCH a Congressperson.

[napi21]

33. I really think many people are taking a lot of liberties telling this

story! NOW it's "groped"?

I really think it would be best if we all jsut waited to hear some real facts before we go any farther with these discussions. I suspect there will be some additional info this week. Without those, everyone is just guessing.

[seabeyond]

41. what does it matter. if ANYONE does ANYTHING a cop doesnt

like.... you give cop free reign. why do you wnat to wait for the story. you want to already excuse the cops behavior at all cost.

[napi21]

46. No, but there is sooo much speculation on both sides right now,

and nobody other than Cynthia and the officer really know what happened.

[seabeyond]

83. but you were right there to say, regardless, any touch is assault

police can do whatever. grab her. hold her. whatever, when there is no call for it. and we are ALL suppose to put up wit their behavior, but ANYTHING to a cop is assault. only if we the people allow this. ONLY if we the people allow this bullshit. i hope and pray, we will get wise and start speaking up. drawing our line.

you know about the woman in texas 94 fuckin years old, had parking warrants. the cops handcuffed her to take her to jail. she was on her way to beauty parlor.

lets have no expectation of our cops. lets let them have total power to be on their trip and do whatever they want to do, and we will all lower our eyes, tail between legs, dare we pee ourselves too to let them know they have the power over us

be outraged

[file83]

129. The officer, Cynthia, AND the video tape. The cops are holding that...

and said they NEVER plan on releasing it. That gives me a pretty good indicator as to whom I should believe.

[Justice Is Comin]

32. That's known

as a pig and a poke :rofl:

[file83]

130. LOL - that's a good one!

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. She Shouldn't Have Touched Him At All, Period.

First of all every statetment from the law enforcement end has been second hand so far so I'm sure each outlet that relays it does so a bit differently. What has been consistent is that in some way Cynthia touched the officer, which is a BIG no no.

I had been more split on this issue earlier, but then I saw the thread detailing Mckinney's statement from her own mouth, admitting she touched, pushed or was in some other way phsyical with him. That sealed it for me. I understand she's been through a lot, has been targeted in the past, and that she's extremely frustrated in how some people treat her. I understand, I sympathize. But when you are being asked to stop by a cop, regardless of whether or not you think they should've known who you are, you stop, Period.

Fact is she had a meeting. She was late getting to that meeting and was rushing. When she bypassed the detector and an officer called for her to stop, she got extremely irritated and frustrated and tried to ignore him. She kept going because she was in a rush and thought "screw the cop, he's just fucking with me anyway, he should know who I am". He may have even called out again and she may have continued ignoring him. In the end the cop bodyblocked her to make sure she stopped and put a hand on her shoulder (I believe that was the case if I remember correctly) to keep her from going (since she had seemed to be being uncooperative by ignoring him to begin with). She took offense because she's fed up and frustrated, and lashes back at him. After finally just showing her id, they part ways.

Well, I understand she's frustrated and believes she was being racially targeted. I understand she stands up for a lot of progressive things and has had to deal with a lot of shit because of it. I understand she is a proud black congresswoman. But that does not in any way justify assaulting a police officer, even if it was a very minor poke, strike, push, or whatever.

Yes, maybe the officer wasn't the most well intentioned. Maybe he was fucking with her. Thing is we really don't know. He might've just been doing his fucking job too. What we do know is that she was in a rush and in fear of being late. She probably shouldn't have been. We know she ignored the calls of the cop to stop at least once and probably more than once. She should've stopped. We know that when the cop finally caught up to her and forced her to stop and show id, she minorly assualted him. All that I've posted above is what OBJECTIVELY, from all that is available so far, seems to make the absolute most sense as to what truly occurred. Fact is she was just frustrated that one more time she had to go through the shit of not being recognized. I'm sorry she has to go through that, but it is not an excuse to assault an officer.

As a last line disclaimer, however, though I feel she acted inappropriately and impulsively, I also don't see it as an iota of a degree of proportion that others and the media are blowing it up to be. It was a very minor incident and not the biggest deal in the world in my opinion. But I still believe the reality of it was what I posted above anyway.

[bpilgrim]

57. how do you know she did?

and FIRST of all HE shouldn't have laid a FINGER on her.

fyi

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. From Her Own Statement Bub.

and yes, if she was ignoring commands from a cop to stop after she went around a security device, he absolutely has a right to lay a finger on her. Ya know, it helps them do their job when they are allowed to do more than just say "excuse me, please? Please stop maam." "Hi, hello there kind sir, would you mind turning yourself over to me and kindly sitting in the back of my nice vehicle and letting me take back that money you robbed from that bank?" Or "hey laddy, my name is officer john, how are you today? can you please slow down, I just want to engage in some friendly conversation about that bloody body lying on the ground back there. No? You don't have time? I'm sorry kind sir, g'day".

Again, story is being way overdramatized. But regardless, I think she went too far. Doesn't change my opinion of her in any way though, as I think she still completely kicks ass and will continue to. We are all entitled to an impulsive fuck up or two here and there.

[bpilgrim]

84. post a quote, 'bub' - lol

and as i said, FIRST of all, he had no right to lay a finger on her... HE FUCKED UP, in the very first place... kapeesh?

i will with hold the slings, arrows & judgment against her till i see compelling evidence otherwise.

it's a shame how quick some Dem's are to throw our patriots under the bus... what up wit dat :shrug:

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

99. Well If You Need To Be Spoonfed (sheesh)...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x816292

And as I stated in my post, I see no reason to believe he fucked up, and think it is laughable how some are thinking cops are supposed to act (would you like some tea and crumpets?) :rofl:

[bpilgrim]

105. well, looky here... he fucked up by manhandling a congress woman

she raised her arms to protect herself from his assault and MISTAKE.

thats, the point, the cop fucked up.

of course the rw is gonna change the subject and blame the victim, per usual.

please try not to join in their hysteria and spin.

thank you :hi:

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

117. Your Entitled To Believe That. I Could Really Care Less.

I believe my version is accurate, and that she overreacted. No biggie if she did though, nobody's perfect anyway. Doesn't in any way diminish my image of her. To each their own on how they view the situation, and I really don't care enough about the situation to begin with to make it worthwhile to respond any further.

peace to you as well.

[file83]

132. Bottom line - the cops are changing their story, not McKinney.

AND they are withholding the video tape evidence. How convenient is that?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

135. Um, It's Called Standard Procedure.

:eyes: :crazy:

Ya know, they are still in the middle of investigating what happened, ya know. :hi:

[file83]

138. "Investigation"? Are you kidding? They ALREADY said she "punched" him

Why would they say that if they haven't concluded their "investigation"?

You can't have it both ways, Mr. CSI Miami.

This was a simple incident brought about by an ACCUSATION by the officer that she "punched" him.

He said it. USCP PR officer announces it. Reporters report it. End of story.

If it wasn't true that she "punched" him and their "investigation" still wasn't completed, then why are they saying it?

Now they are changing it to poke.

OMC, you need to get another hobby than spinning the news around for the authorities. It is just a "hobby", right?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

145. They Didn't Change It To Poke. It Is You That Is Spinning The News.

So get a grip there, k?

[Gabi Hayes]

150. hey! where did the word "punched" come from?

the cops?

a "witness?"

a reporter?

McKinney, or her supporters?

does it matter?

the right wing is SMEARING her, and the media was only to happy to use the word "punch"

it doesn't matter a bit whence the word sprung

it's out in the world now, and the RIGHT WING FASCIST MANIACS love it?

I'm using my powers of deduction to figure that one out

as an expert, what do you think?

are you happy with the results so far?

judging from your past presence, I wouldn't think so. what's the deal with McKinney, and provenance of the word. all that matters is that it's being used against one of the very few dems who's had the courage to step up to the fascists on a range of issues, from the stolen election, to 911, to the war, to Katrina

what gives, and I mean this in a most DUer friendly way

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

155. I Think The Whole Situation Is Unfortunate.

I also think it is far less of a big deal than so many are making it, including the MSM. Maybe that's why it's easier for me to be objective with this and not have such a hard time saying what I'm saying; Because I really consider the incident to be quite petty overall to begin with. Since I feel it is so practically a non-story, no matter what side I chose it still wouldn't be that significant a deal to me. But you are right, there are others who will twist it to be far more serious, and accuracy to what really happened, and how trivial it probably was, is important. But I do want to state, that as much as I would agree that the MSM and others shouldn't throw around inaccuracies and perpetuate the drama so readily, I also don't think she, her lawyers, and through a press conference should be smearing the cops by calling them racist, assualting, and other criticisms to their character either. The cop did what he did, he probably could've handled it better. Cynthia did what she did, she probably could've handled it better. Big deal, minor altercation, we've all had them at one time or another, everyone should just move on.

[file83]

159. You think it's no big deal that McKinney has been slandered in front

of millions of Americans? You really are a different breed of DU'r.

I'd like to see how you feel if you had an "altercation" with the Police and they falsely accused you of punching an officer and the MSM reported it all over the place. I'm sure that would be no big deal to your wife, to your boss, to your family, to your friends, to your voters....

Yeah, sure. No big deal.
:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

161. Haven't You Replied Enough? I Mean Sheesh, You're Severely Obsessive.

Try not to take it to such heart, dear laddy, that some people might not share the exact opinion you have. Try not be so sensitive about that. It really is ok you know, for others to think for themselves and make their own opinions freely of having to conform to your ideals, dear filey.

And don't twist my fucking words either, filey. I said the altercation itself, to me, was no big deal.

Seriously now though, you've responded to me enough already. It's not healthy to be that obsessed. Let it go kemosabe.

[file83]

163. OMC, is that the best you can do? Flame baiting and ad hominum attacks?

Because you're going to have to really turn the heat up if you think you can burn me in my...

FLAME PROOF SUIT!!!!

:rofl: That is very ironic, that you are accusing ME of being obsessed by defending my own thread, when you are posting just as much as I am, and IT'S NOT YOUR OP!!. Project much? :rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

167. You Kidding?

I'm absolutely obsessed with replying and will be damned if I could control my own damn impulse control disorder. Notice how I said like an hour ago that it would be my last post? Yeah right OMC, you meant well, but your damn impulse control disorder is gonna override your best intentions and keep you replying well past when you should. :spank:

Seriously, it's a real problem of mine. But I can admit to myself that it is a self-flaw and unhealthy. Can you to yourself since you are guilty of the same?

And off topic, completely outside of this debate, and meant from the most decent and kindhearted realm of my being, and forgetting about any animosity in this thread between us whatsoever for a moment, I COMPLETELY FUCKING LOVE THAT PICTURE! :rofl: Seriously, I saved it to my hard drive. Absolutely love it, and it's one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen on DU from a photoshop perspective! Love it, love it, love it.

[file83]

177. Okay, we're cool then...

...thanks for the compliment on the photo. I just made it last night. I think I'm going to have to add a few more phrases I learned tonight!

The funny part is, no matter how much we argue about this story, reality will play itself out regardless of who here is "right" (we are more than likely BOTH wrong!). I think it's clear that we both enjoy debating and trying to communicate our ideas with people. That's a good thing. I'm not good at verbal debate (I'm not that "quick"), but I do enjoy duals like the one we had, it forces one to understand an issue intimately.

I think it got to the point like when in Chess, there are two pieces left chasing eachother around the board with no real possibility of there being a "winner". You stood by your assessment, and me mine.

Cheers, now go get some sleep! :boring:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

182. Last Post, A Recommendation, if you will,

I wasn't sure if you made the picture yourself, and have to say YOU FUCKING ROCK for coming up with that. I had said I saved it to my hard drive, but it isn't my property to do so. What I think you should do is add an insignia of yours, or your screenname, or other identifying mark to it, so that DU'ers will always know its origination. If you do that, send me the link in a pm. I would download that one instead. Cause if I use it in the middle of a flamewar one day (like maybe the ones where the psycho squad goes off on me for abortions blah blah), then I want anyone seeing it to be sure to know it came from you. It is very creative, unique, and I give you full props for it. Put your name on it man!

Nite.

[file83]

189. Thanks man, I will. I'm also adding "moonbat" (don't know how I

forgot that one!) You can totally use it (I'll pm you when I finish this next version). If you think of a phrase that's missing in it, I'll customize it and send it to you! :-)

Thanks for the advice and the compliments!

[itzamirakul]

201. I read this entire thread just to see when you would finally break and

kiss ass to get out of the hole you dug for yourself. Now you've found a way to compliment file83 and make nicey-nice again. Bullshit! You've already shown what you are.

It is a crying shame to see how fast some supposedly loyal liberals will cannabalize someone like McKinney who is one of the few to continue to defend the true American way.

[pimpbot]

188. I'd never touch a cop

Unless I thought my life was in danger. Considering this was 9am in the morning in a government building downtown DC, well lit with other people around, I dont think her life was in danger. Thus, I wouldn't have had an altercation. I would have displayed the appropriate ID and been on my way, with no fuss.

[file83]

154. Did you read the article in my OP?!? The cops now say "poked".

How in the hell is that me "spinning"? Explain your unsubstantiated accusation.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

156. Because The Cops Didn't Say It. Your Reading Comprehension Skills Were

flawed. (not a put down, they simply were).

Here, Let me spoonfeed you:

The article quote - "The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building, said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

Now lets simplify for you.

"The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, (who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building), said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

The part in parenthesis is from the author's mouth, not the cops. Here, let me spoonfeed further so you can see exactly what is attributed to the cops:

"The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

There, Got it now? The Whole OP's premise is severely flawed in its accuracy.

Goodnight now, this is done.

[file83]

162. Could you be a little more condescending? Now, it's your turn....

You're implication is that the reporter took liberty with the most important word in the story. The verb in this story IS the story. Your accusation now (a lot of those going around) is that the reporter is lying.

Tell me, do you have PROOF that the reporter is lying about what the USCP told her?

You are suggesting that the USCP told the reporter that McKinney "punched" (or whatever other verb of your chosing) the officer, but that the reporter decided to change the verb to "poked".

Kind of like the reporter got bored of the verb "punched", and wanted to play around with that word as if the ENTIRE STORY didn't center around it.

Do you have any evidence that the reporter changed the verb? Do you?

Of course you don't. But in order for your version of the story to work, you have to discredit the reporter.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

166. I Guess I Didn't Simplify It Enough. Here, Let Me Try Again.

I'm amazed the first time wasn't good enough, but I'm a helpful guy. I don't mind having to lend additional assistance. Here goes:

Again,
The article quote - "The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building, said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

Again, Please note the part in parenthesis:
"The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, (who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building), said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

Try and stay with me here now. The part you see in parenthesis, which is the part that says poking, was just an aside by the writer and was OUTSIDE of what was being quoted by the USCP. Here, I'll give an example. Say I'm writing a story about you. I write "file83 claims the uscp changed their story on Mckinney, (a congresswoman from Georgia), said a source from DU". See, I wouldn't be saying or implying that YOU or the DU source said she was a congresswoman from georgia. No, it would be me, choosing to add additional information for sake of context, from my own knowledge of the subject. The only part that would be attributed to you or the DU source would be the part OUTSIDE of the parenthesis.

So I hope you stayed with me there and understand the concept. I'll assume that you now do. So let's try this again then.

The revised statement, showing ONLY the part DIRECTLY attributed to the USCP:

The article quote - "The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident."

That's it. That's the ONLY part the USCP said. I simplified this as much as I could possibly simplify it, and can only hope that you now understand why the OP is completely flawed in its reasoning.

[file83]

171. Nice try, but your subjective placement of the parenthesis doesn't

mean anything. Your entire argument rests on YOUR ASSUMPTION that verb ("poked") was a lie by the reporter. Do you have any PROOF of such an allegation?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

176. Told Ya, Your Reading Comprehension Skills Aren't Working For You Tonight.

If they were, you'd see how blatantly obvious the accuracy of my explanation was. Nothing subjective about it whatsoever. But it is clear to me now you just quite simply aren't going to get it. That's ok. At least others who read it will, so it wasn't a complete waste of time posting.

Nitey nite.

[file83]

178. Good night. I don't agree with you, but, we're cool. Get some ZZZZzz's!!

:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

181. Don't Agree With You Either, But It's Been Fun. One Important Thing Though

Flame Proof Suit!! :rofl:

Ya know, no matter how much you could've pissed me off tonight, I would've never truly lost liking for you simply because of that picture itself. It is so goddamn funny, that you have to be cool just to have it and smack it in posters faces like that. Seriously, it's been cracking me the fuck up all damn night. I saved it to my drive even. Of all the things I'll take with me from this thread, that's the one I hold dearest! LOL

Just an awesome picture and concept dude, seriously.

It's all good bro, rock on!

:toast:

[file83]

187. Cheers.

:toast:

[rman]

204. You believe your version is accurate, but you do not know

that it is.

It is obvious though that the official story (that you seem to support) keeps changing. That's what liars do, you know - changing their story, that is. Not saying you are a liar, but it wouldn't exactly be the first time the for the RW to lie in order to vilify a liberal, and for the MSM to play along. Or would it?

[verse18]

68. OPERATIONMINDCRIME.....

Does that mean you can read minds, too?????

She kept going because she was in a rush and thought "screw the cop, he's just fucking with me anyway, he should know who I am".

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. It's Called Deductive Reasoning, Through Use Of Logic And Objectivity.

If you read all that has been made available so far, especially from her own statements, and then look at the situation objectively and with an open mind, I don't think what I am presenting above as likely is really all that far fetched.

I know some are quite passionate on this issue (I'm not one, I really could almost care less), and maybe that is blocking them for putting all of the peices together, but I'm extremely convinced that in the end what really transpired is probably very very close to what I presented.

I do apologize for not stating that was my strong opinion, and rather led it with "Fact is". That was inaccurate as it was not fact, and I erred in using that leading phrase though it was just as an expression. Those aren't the facts (yet anyway), it is just an extremely logical, likely and reasonable explanation on my part of what probably happened.

[bpilgrim]

90. GIGO

garbage in, garbage out

you do remember where you are getting your insufficient data from, don't you... the M$M

fyi

peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

104. Oh Grow Up. Honestly. Not Everything Is Some Huge Conspiracy.

Most of what I've based things off of are HER DIRECT FUCKING STATEMENTS.

Oh wait, I bet you wanna cry and scream now that those things weren't really her statements. Someone who was pretending to be her made them up right? Oh, let me guess, the MSM misquoted her exact words right? Oh, and that press conference she had, that was really an impersonator portraying and saying those things right? :rofl:

[bpilgrim]

108. spinning a story about a cop who fucked up and assaulted one of our own

is certainly a familiar theme in the M$M but generally frowned upon here.

fyi

peace

[file83]

110. Did McKinney ever say she "punched" the officer? No.

She has always said from the beginning that it was something MUCH milder.

But now it's the COPS themselves changing the story, from an elevated "punched" to a milder "poked".

Somehow, you can't seem to see the Elephant of truth sitting right in front of you:

The cops falsely accused her of "punching" the officer. They smeared her.

McKinney has never claimed that there wasn't an "altercation". She admitted to that.

But it's the COPS that have changed their story and are the ones holding on the VIDEO TAPE EVIDENCE.

You claim to have logic, so use it.

[robinlynne]

173. AFter HE TOUCHED HER. WHy isn't his grabbing an assault?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

179. Because It's Within His Duties and Law For Him To Have Done So.

I'm in awe of how little people know about how law enforcement works. It's like you just want them to hand out tea and crumpets or something.

[BuyingThyme]

52. The subject line is a total fabrication,

like much of the nonsense being used to defend the indefensible.

[file83]

112. A fabrication? You mean, like the accusations made against McKinney?

Tell me, if the reporter was told "punched" by the USCP, but then changed it to "poked", don't you think we would have heard about it? This is the Washington Post. The reporter stated that it was the U.S. Capitol Police that "said" it. Study journalism. Reporters are VERY careful about how they report the descriptives....

Where do you think they got the word "punched" from?

So, if you don't believe "poked", then you can't believe "punched". Tell me, what do you believe? :shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

131. I Believe That Poking Or Punching, Though Different, Still Means That She

physically touched the officer. She shouldn't have.

That's my final word on this situation, and I just wanted to clarify. Poking, punching, slapping, pushing, doesn't really matter. It comes down to whether she engaged him physically at all, in any capacity. She herself says she did. She shouldn't have. Lesson learned by her I'm sure and I'm confident she'll continue to kick ass.

Goodnight.

[file83]

134. Goodnight. But, cops shouldn't be saying she "punched" him when

she didn't. It's a lie. It's a smear. It's irreversable because that smear is already in the minds of millions of Americans.

That means they lied. So, who ya gonna believe?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

136. Still Don't Know If It Was A Kind of Punch/Push Or Not.

Firstly, the whole punched thing came out quickly and was from a witness account, not a cops. Secondly, the poke reference in this OP was just the way it was written from the columnist, not the cops. It wasn't a quote, it was a a statment from the writer themselves. The part attributed to the capitol police was the part saying that the cop wants to press charges. I would think it was more of a "get your hands the hell off of me whitey" type push then it was a simple cell phone poke (though the tip of the cell phone may have poked him in the process).

[file83]

141. If the COPS don't know whether it was a "punch" or a "poke" or a

"whatever", then maybe they shouldn't be SMEARING Cynthia McKinney by announcing to the media that she "punched" him.

By your suggestion, the best the cops are doing is SMEARING her. Thanks for supporting my argument! I knew you'd come around. :-)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

148. The Cops Are Investigating. Sounds Like You Have A Hard Time Understanding

that concept (and several other concepts for that matter).

I also have not seen ANY reports that would justify saying that the capitol police smeared her. Haven't seen any. In fact, they seem to be quite tight lipped about the ordeal, as they should be, while they are investigating.

Though I like cynthia, in all fairness the majority of rhetoric so far has come from her and her lawyers, not the police. So try not to be so unobjectively one sided, at it is one of the quickest ways to come off looking like a fool.

[file83]

153. Wow, you are on some sort of totally different wavelegnth...

You accuse me of "not getting it."
I accuse you of "not getting it."

:wtf:

I'll try one more time.

I'll agree with you (just to get things moving along) that there is still an "on going investigation".

That's an agreed upon fact, correct?

We also agree that at one point, the U.S. Capitol Police public relations office announced that the officer that was involved accused Cynthia McKinney of "punching" him in the chest, right?

Do we agree on that fact? We should.

We also agree that at a later point, the USCP PR office announced that McKinney "poked" him.

You said that the reason the story is changing is because the "investigation" is bringing new evidence to light.

So tell me, WHY ON EARTH is it OKAY for the POLICE to SMEAR McKinney's good name by announcing that she "punched" the officer, when even YOU AGREE that it isn't yet a FACT???

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

158. I Agree With Most Of It, Up To The Part About The USCP PR Office.

They said no such thing.

Please see my reply above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=817527&mesg_id=818760

[file83]

164. Already read your post....did you read this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=817527&mesg_id=818854

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

168. Why Yes, Yes I Did. Hey, Did You Read This One?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=817527&mesg_id=818931

:rofl:

ok, my ambien induced drunkeness is probably starting to be too much. Maybe it is time to hit the damn hay LOL

[file83]

180. Go to sleep already!!!

:rofl: Until we spar again....

[kiteinthewind]

53. It just seems to me like rpgamerd00d has spent a lot of time on this

thread and one earlier, trying to convince us that Ms. McKinney is guilty. What gives with that? And why is user profile disabled?
:think:

[rpgamerd00d]

56. Bullshit. Link to where I ever said she was guilty.

I said there was enough evidence for ARREST.

ARREST != GUILT in the USA.

A TRIAL is required to determine Guilt.

[kiteinthewind]

60. You just seem pretty obsessed about this!

:shrug:

[rpgamerd00d]

66. If you read my other replies, you would understand.

Moonbats trying to sweep this under the rug will HURT DEMS IN 06.

She needs to ADDRESS IT HEAD ON and get it over with.

I really hate explaining this over and over and over.

[bpilgrim]

71. calling DU'ers names, will get you no where, FAST

fyi

peace

[kiteinthewind]

78. Given everything that Bushco has done, INCLUDING being, at the very

least, complacent in the 9-11 attacks, stolen elections, secret spying on Americans, lies, lies, lies, etc., I hardly think it is out of the realm to think that she may well be on an unofficial harassment list. And don't call me a CT, because I got over hearing that long ago! :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[file83]

115. Do you need to borrow my flame resistant suit....

?:hi:?

You know, so you don't get burned by this guy's flames...

[kiteinthewind]

120. Thanks, file83, I may need it!!

:hi:

[file83]

122. Any time! It sure comes in handy! n/t

[LostinVA]

147. I've been posting here a long time -- and reading DU even longer

I don't see any "moonbats" defending McKinney... and DU has its far share of 'em. I see posters who -- even if I don't always agree with them -- I respect. However, some of the posters saying she's guilty are posters I recognize as either moonbatty or smelling of earthy fur...

[kma3346]

219. Yeah!!! Moonbats indeed!

And since when do DU'ers call other DU'ers "moonbats"? I've been seeing a lot of that lately and it makes me wonder what's up with that...

:wtf:

[Bonobo]

82. I really admire you after reading all your posts!

You're consistent in your pig-headedness.

You're a fearless reactionary.

You don't let common sense get in the way of a good argument.

[Pastiche423]

109. lol!

[kiteinthewind]

113. LOL!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[file83]

118. OMFG!!!

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

149. I feel the same way ! It's a marvel of consistency over a long while

[IsItJustMe]

64. Maybe this is why this country is so SCREWED UP. People worried about SOAP

Oprah's instead of dealing with real problems. Do you honestly think this entire subject matters at all?

[file83]

121. Nah....smear campaigns falsely presenting fabricated accusations

against sitting Democratic members of Congress is totally UNIMPORTANT.

:think: What was I thinking!? How completely silly of me!! :think:

[Name removed]

72. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bigtree]

79. I don't know why anyone should listen to a word you say

since you insult them when they don't agree. I don't know why the mods let you continue to do so.

[kiteinthewind]

80. See ya!

:hi:

[seabeyond]

91. runaway. you told me to provide a link after saying my post was false

i did.

you ignored. of course you ignored. becasue it doesnt go with your argument. it is a black woman speaking out against a cop

[Hubert Flottz]

73. Hell you'd think she beat him, like the cops beat Rodney King.

The worst thing this congress-lady ever did, in the eyes of these right wing woman beater, hero types, was to stand up to Bush, from day one! This lady was marked, four or five years ago, by the Reich Wing wacko squad. I'll bet the cop that is raising all the hell, voted for Bush both times! He probably wanted to make some "BROWNIE" Points, by being the one to nail a real live, "enemy of KING GEORGE." Maybe he'll get promoted to head torturer in Iraq, or something nice like that for his "BRAVERY under fire!" This "super-cop" would probably shit his pants on a regular basis, if he had to walk a real beat, in the dark somewhere.

Hell, it's a wonder he didn't shoot the lady two or three times, like the Barney Fife in California, who just got busted for shooting the Iraqi war vet. Maybe if all congress-ladies "didn't look alike" to this guy, he'd have better sense than to grab women he "don't even know!" I'll bet if he'd have grabbed my wife, or my mom, he'd have gotten a dose of the same damned thing. What if all of us guys started grabbing every woman that walked by, do ya think someone would call the freakin' KKKapitol KKKops!

"If they outlaw OUR guns, then only the OUTLAWS will have guns," takes on a whole new meaning, after watching the cop in Kolley-Four-Nia-ya, on that video, mowing down the unarmed vet on the ground, whose begging the "Guy who's being paid to protect and defend him," not to shoot! Backwater Suckurity, is probably headed to the Capitol to interview the KKKapitol Ocifer that saved democracy single handedly, right now! I hope he never lost that silver bullet out of his shirt pocket, in the BIG STRUGGLE!

[IsItJustMe]

81. Yeah, we got some hang em high real law and order folks up here in the

house.

[Hubert Flottz]

97. They watched a few too many Clint Eastwood flicks...

People like that guy are the ones that give the good cops out there, a bad name. Real career law enforcement officers, frown on hair triggered screwballs like that. Let's see the tape!

[Trevelyan]

198. That is a horrible story about the unarmed vet being shot by a cop. Do

you have a link to the story?

[DubyaSux]

85. Only one solution...

....make every person - regardless of who they are and regardless whether they wear their pin (which I hear she refuses to wear) - go through the metal detectors. It doesn't matter whether they make sure security sees their pin and/or ID or if it's Ted Kennedy himself. Go through the metal detector and then there will never be any type of misunderstanding again.

[seabeyond]

94. or fire a cops ass that has so little ability for interaction with fellow

man. and hire cops that will handle a situation in a mature and responsible manner so we dont have these issues. NO i dont think we have to go to the extreme in order to resolve this.
our schools. bad boys. fighting boys gives us no tolerance. because after all cant be a bunch of adults addressing each and every issue. we have to blanket everyone as criminal.

and every other part of this society today. we have to rule people to death because we cant do reason

well i say start calling for reason. insist on it. dont take what you think is the easy way out, by blanketing a stupid ass rule. another rule. walk lock step. no one think. no one have to actually think

we are better than this

[glitch]

192. Well said. nt

[bluestateguy]

87. Capitol Hill "police" are keystone cops who can't get jobs as real cops

They make a big deal out of being poked, which kind of makes you wonder how they would fare if they were on the streets of Detroit or LA.

[johnnie]

95. Strange

The first story I heard this week was she poked him with her cell phone. Where did the "punch" come from?

[flyarm]

152. rethuglicans!..or rethug * ass kiss media!..n/t

[greenbriar]

96. farkin baby

probably was a tattle tale as a kid

[seabeyond]

100. you know what they say about those crybaby kids. little tattle tales

they are much more likely to become a repug

[file83]

127. That's right! I remember reading that a few weeks ago...good point!

[Benhurst]

102. The Capitol police are acting like morons.

Capitol Hill cops are supposed to be able to recognize every member of Congress -- all 535 of them.

Granted there are a lot of pastey-faced older white males, which makes it a bit difficult not to miss one now and again. I know, because I worked there thirty years ago. But Cynthia McKinney, a pretty, young, black, female member of Congress, who would be recognized by almost anyone on the Hill, not just whose job requires them to do so.

The officer who made the mistake would have apologized PROFUSELY in my day, not made trouble for the member.

Something smells on Capitol Hill, and it's not the bean soup.

[file83]

107. That's what I've been saying - McKinney is getting blamed cuz this COP

can't do his job right? It's stupid.

[Hubert Flottz]

111. Prolly just one of those Bad Apples like the MPs at Abu Ghraib.

A lot of that about these days. Or maybe the guy had been into horse breeding, before he got called up by the Crony Corps.

[seabeyond]

119. 'cept those few bad apples were a product of an administration

that favored that behavior. so i will have to conclude the reason we have so many cops unable to perform the simplest of tasks like respectfully communicating with their fellow american is because their bosses endorse that behavior

[Hubert Flottz]

126. "their bosses endorse that behavior"

I think you have hit the nail on the head! Bad apples don't fall far from the bad apple tree!

[seabeyond]

133. over the last two decades i have seen it get too wide spread

i have watched the shift in cops attitudes. and i have listened to the sheep walk around saying baaaa baaaa.... if you do nothing wrong you dont have to worry. well today, you do have to worry, even if you dont do anything wrong. and i am not one to be intimidated like i guess we are suppose to be so i am especially concerned for me. lol lol. not that i am ever disrespectful, but i dont lower my eyes. i wonder if that is now a crime. things have changed with our cops. and i dont like it. i dont trust them

on edit: my husband watches cops. i cant watch it with him. i end up yelling. the cops behavior is so over the top, outrageous. yet they dont see it. they dont see it so much, they put it on tv. and people are accepting of it. i dont understand. i have seen the worse behavior on that show. one in particular, a small boned small girl wanting to kill herself. and what they did to that girl was disgusting. and.... they put it on tv, like it is ok. it isnt ok, not in my book

[Hubert Flottz]

140. I don't think you're on the wrong track at all.

I think you read the situation far better than most. America is not the home of the free anymore. The days of live and let live are behind us now, I'm afraid. Working class Americans are being pushed(herded)into a corner, by the Haves and the Have Mores.

[ellie]

205. I had to stop watching COPS

too because I couldn't take all of the macho bullshit. That and the realization that the War on Drugs is just a ridiculous waste of money. They bust these drugged out people who couldn't find their ass with both hands and that is supposed to make me feel safer?

[slaveplanet]

174. nothing new

read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x817698#817736

[LostinVA]

151. Come on! How was the cop supposed to recognize all those black, female

Congresscritters?! Why there must be at least errr.... ummm....... well... okay.... only a very few....

[Padme Amidala]

157. Most people would have slugged him. He's lucky she was nice

Republican Congressmen go without their ID badges all the time.

[freeplessinseattle]

165. kick

[robinlynne]

183. I just sent Cynthia Mckinney an email saying thank-you for all she does

to protect our rights, and that we are with her, and that we Americans, respect and admire her.
interestingly enough, there is clip up from a documentary. She walks into the capitol area, a black policeman comes up to her and says god bless you, welcome back, then a white policeman goes to stop her from going in, check her, a nd the tv crew says "congresswoman". The cop says "I'm so sorry. i'm really sorry. please excuse me, congresswoman". as he should. she smiles at him and comments that she's getting used to it. it happens all the time. (police running up to check her upon entry because she is black.)

[niyad]

186. WHAT the hell is wrong with these men? I am referring to this capitol

police officer, and the officer whom zsa zsa struck? Flame me all you like, but merciful heavens, what happened to their balls? One would think they would be too embarrassed to admit that a woman got one over on them enough to land a blow, or even touch them. WAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Years ago, shortly after the zsa zsa incident, I was helping a friend leave a very unpleasant situation with her landlord. the guy tried to interfere with me (bad move) and I gently pointed out that, as far as I was concerned, he was "a complete waste of skin and oxygen, and a liar and thief, to boot", and then left. the man called the police, and told them that he feared for his life. (mind you, the man was over 6'6 and about 300 pounds, and I am 5'5) fortunately, the officer who responded was very sensible, mamaging to keep a straight face at the idea that I was a threat to anyone, much less a person so much bigger than me.

so, apart from the legalities, we, who have had it burned into our psyches that men don't cry, watch the spectacle of men, and, in some cases, trained police officers, whining because a woman touched them or insulted them. strikes me as a bit bizarre.

[VelmaD]

197. Sorry, but I consider it a good thing if...

the myth of the helpless, defenseless woman is dying.

[roseBudd]

191. Next they'll say she wagged her index finger like b****y black women do

Edited to add:

And bobbed her head. With her hand on her hip.

[symbolman]

194. The report read something like this

"At this point the Alleged Congress woman told me to 'talk to the hand', which I interpreted as a threat and perhaps and indication that she was insane. She wagged her head in a strange fashion, much like I used to see black women do when I worked in the Great America Mall and on programs tailored to black persons on television. It was then that she produced the 'weapon', a small black device which may have been a mini taser, electroshock device, perhaps even a laser. A protruding shaft on the top of the device looked to be more like an electrical terminal which conceiveable could deliver up to 10,000 volts of electricity to the attending officer.

She threatened to show her ID, which of course could have been easily purchased as a fake, generated from any number of online sources.

I was not amused when she mentioned that I might just as easily been a 'QUAIL' sneaking up on her, much like the gang of Al Queda Quail which attacked our Vice President who took no chances during that attack and sprayed the entire area with buckshot to be safe. If only the VP had had an officer such as myself to assist him in 'finishing the job', it would have been my honor to skin and mount the offending Lawyer for display on Mr Cheney's office or home wall.

Once the Assailant plunged her electronic device deeply into the center of my heart I felt a powerful jolt, and recoiled in horror and abject incredible pain. The medic was able to save my life my using a water supply container to force two large tablets of Motrin down my still sore throat. My heart luckily continued to beat, and I was just glad to be alive.

The Assailant should be made an example of, I requested that Headquarters release an all points bulletin and arrest and detain any and all black politicians, both male and female (in case she was in disguise) found in the Capitol, but they were no where to be found, they later claimed that there were no pressing issues to be voted on and conveniently skipped town to avoid the dragnet. We alerted Fox News so that they could begin the manhunt and to slander and misinform the public about these individuals.

Karl Rove came to assess the situation and while there gave 8 guards a raise, slipped me a 100 dollar bill for being a "good american", and laid hands on three other officers with terminal disease, at which point they were instantly cured.

For some reason the tape of this attack by the intruder was somehow ruined by someone taping over it with footage from "Girls Gone Wild", we are investigating the problem with this tape and if needed will produce a new version reproducing the attack on the officer with professional actors.

I have asked for leave for a time after this grueling and frightening attack by this moonbat liberal, as I am afraid that they may actually be wising up and not standing down or cowering as we'd been informed they would once the anthrax had been spread to them and the Media.

I May also have a good cry with my wife and her lesbian lover once I realise that I can allow myself to do that, that I am a man with feelings just like everyone else.. except for black people, especially those pushy black women who won't listen to anyone.

Officer XXXX Dated XXXX

PS. Okay, so it was a POKE instead of a Punch, but it hurt a LOT, and you could put someone's EYE out like that."

*******

By the way, for all the argueing going on about this (and yes it IS a big deal in my opinion, this is FRAMING and letting YOU know that YOU better NOT say NO to a COP, or they'll blow your goddam head off, get used to it) we need to remember how these things work.

Cheney can SHOOT A MAN IN THE FACE, and a little black woman who's pestered to death by righties is not allowed to DEFEND herself. What if Cheney's 'prey' had decided to SHOOT BACK and Defend HIMSELF?

Also, the way this will play out is, that on the FRONT PAGE it's a story about Cynthia ATTACKING a COP and PUNCHING HIM. Later as the real story comes out, it will be on page 47 of the newspaper and dropped by the TV stations, until someone says something about Tom Delay on the Bill Maher show, at which time, like last week, a LYING ASS BITCH NAZI SURFER PHONEY will say, 'They're ALL corrupt, more democrats than republicans, and at last Tom Delay isn't VIOLENT like McKinney was when she shot and ate that cop..'"

[bigtree]

196. BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

s**t, I spit all over my keyboard!

funny, true

[Trevelyan]

199. Great and true satire, Symbolman. We all need a laugh and that one has a

moral as well. Should sue you for tickling me like that and making me spit my tea all over my plastic monitor, so it is ruined. (why did they stop making monitors out of glass like TV screens so that you could clean them? And the rounded screens made it easier to read.)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Jose Diablo]

200. Police, are a bunch of

dissembling hasty-witted canker-blossoms.

Yes, you too can insult with the best of Shakespeare.

Shakespeare Insult Kit

Shamelessly I copied and pasted this kit into a notepad text file, then created a shortcut to that file and dragged the shortcut to the bottom bar on my screen. Thus now, the entire kit is only a click away.

[Imagevision]

207. Note that this is the best the repugs have for hijacking the news...!

while another chopper is shopt sssdown in Iraq

[Rosemary2205]

208. boy the moonbats are out today!

now we are claiming the cop groped her crotch?

I'd be interesting in seeing a quote from McKinney claiming that. Her actual version of the even has been posted here and it's NOTHING like that.

[Gabi Hayes]

210. why don't you just GFOH? you know why you're here, and so do WE

moonbats?

'we?'

get lost, pizzaface

[seabeyond]

211. blatantly lying doesnt seem to be an issue. no one stated

mckinney got felt up. we were talking about crash. but then i bet you knew that didnt you. geeeeez, talk about fabricating story

[Canuckistanian]

209. Aggravated poking with intent to make uncomfortable

That's a mandatory 20 years isn't it?

[Chiyo-chichi]

213. FREE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY!!!

Yes, I know she hasn't been arrested... I just like to chant "FREE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY!!!"

[Jigarotta]

215. Cap Police change story from 'poked' to 'shoke finger'.

was it the middle one?

... developing insanity.