setting here this morning after a tumultuous yesterday I wonder if our

[madokie]

only hope is that the military people will say who, what, Iran, why. The WHIG is so caught up in the rovian spin that we have no chance with them. Our senators must have so many skeletons in their closets they aren't going do anything. It has to be the nsa spying and that they are being blackmailed. I have a hard time believing that it is anything else.
peace to all for there may not be a tomorrow.

[HereSince1628]

1. Interesting beginning to a spy-thriller that, perhaps a bit over the top

[darkmaestro019]

6. I hope you're right. I fear you're wrong. nt

[Trevelyan]

2. I think it BFEE threats as well. What was the name of the House

Representative, I keep looking for his name, he was Japanese-American, who was called the Democratic Congress expert on Social Security who died suddenly, supposedly of a long-term rare blood disease, conveniently just before bush launched his campaign against social security.

Everyone on the blogosphere knew for months that bush was going to be attacking social security so why didn't this House member who was an expert on Social Security start training someone else in the event that the rare-blood disease kept him from helping the Dems fight this which only he knew about, the Dem Congress expressed extreme surprise in the fact that he had been so ill for years in the MSM.

Like the very sparse attendance at the tribute to Senator Wellstone in the nearly empty House of Representatives' chamber because the dems knew what had happened to Paul and his family.

Everyone knows that Therese Heinz' first husband who was a Republican in the Senate died in a commercial plane crash, but I have read that a week later, Sen. Towers also died in a commercial plane crash. There are only 100 Senators at any one time and this is another of those coincidences. I read that bush senior was afraid of Heinz talking about the dirty work he had done for poppy bush in his major drug trafficking.

Cokie Roberts' father, Sen. Haley Boggs, was killed in a small plane crash after he started talking about his doubts about the Warren Commission which he had been on.

Gerald Ford was on the Warren Commission and made a statement that "we only made the facts fit the evidence" the writer of the article said in other words Ford helped to falsify evidence. The two assassination attempts against Ford were by women, which is unusual since women rarely commit violent crimes as seen by the statistics on the many more prisons for men with the much, much lesser number for women. MK-ULTRA manchurian candidates? John Hinkley, Reagan's supposed attempted assassin, had a family that were long-term contributors to the BFEE and his brother had a dinner date with Neil Bush the night of the attempted assassination.

Hinkley had been hiding in Sen. Kennedy's office shortly before the attempt on Reagan's life with a gun, but Kennedy and his staff did not show up that day. Even before the current ultra security, shouldn't Kennedy's office or any Congresspersons have been more secured. After the trial according to a long article on Kennedy in the Washington Post, Kennedy hired Hinkley's attorney, I guess to try to find out how serious the BFEE's attempt on his life had been.

There is more, there is always more with the BFEE but the danger to Congress should be clear esp. if you think not only about the Anthrax but the continuing Ricin scare in the Congress. Ricin manufacture is less easy to track than Anthrax.

[madokie]

5. BFevilE

Now I'm really worried.

[saltpoint]

3. History is outrageously slow in making changes to circumtances

but as one novelist wrote, it punishes anybody who tries to rush it along.

Just to cite a couple of examples from this past few days, a U.S. Senator from Wisconsin introduced a motion of censure against a war president to formalize opposition to unwarranted domestic wiretapping. The votes to pass it are not there but the action is a singular example of individual dignity against a corrupt State and has added beneficial effects for a constitutional democracy. Some alert 16 or 17-year old in a high school in Mississippi or Idaho just became less red and more blue as a result of Senator Feingold's respect for personal liberty.

And second, in significant numbers, many Europeans generally and British citizens particularly protested the visit by Condiliar to their empty soccer stadiums and schoolyards this past week, demonstrating that our allies in Europe should have been listened to in the pre-Iraq months and should be listened to now. Blair and Bush have failed in this disastrous policy and citizens are holding them accountable. Europe got it en masse before red state U.S. voters did, but now even red states across our country think Bush and Cheney are liars, and that Rumsfeld is essentially a remorseless asshole. It took the country almost a decade to oppose U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia in the 60s and 70s, but only a couple of years to reverse sentiment on Bush's doomed Iraq mess.

And I'll add a third: November 2006 is coming up soon and it's looking more blue than red.

[acmejack]

7. You should have noticed the several examples of the people' will

being crushed by the Democratic National Party. I speak of Cegalis in Illinois and Lenz in Pennsylvania in particular. Google either if you are unaware. No real democracy in the people's name here I am afraid. You will get the Party's version or no version at all! And you will like it.

It appears we might as well get their approval before we bother finding our own candidates, otherwise they will just find a last moment replacement, rent them a place in your district give them a whole lot of cash and get a bunch national name endorsements and voila! All your work is for naught!

[saltpoint]

8. Hi, acmejack. All institutions behave like thugs sometimes, even the

Democratic Party, I do realize.

At the same time, regarding for instance the last 2 national elections, I would rather live in Al Gore's or John Kerry's America than in George W. Bush's America. The "results" of both those elections were incomplete and corrupt, at least in my opinion. I support Feingold's censure resolution because it speaks to my sense of hoping for a keener adherence to personal liberties, and because it questions misdirected power.

As for Europeans, I am a cock-eyed optimist on their citizenship, at least compared with too many U.S. red voters who are lapping up Hannity and Limbaugh and O'Reilly etc. For me, "liberal" is not a perjorative but a major plus, and I sense in France a more enlightened and less frightened citizenry. A lot of French citizens, for example, thought the hoopla over Bill Clinton's tryst with Monica Lewinsky was simply ridiculous. Me, too. I would have liked it if Dubya had treated our European allies with a great deal more respect than he did.

[Trevelyan]

4. Poppy bush's major drug trafficking and Kerry's cover-up of MIAs and

POWs left in Vietnam--also in Feb 2004 Village Voice article and http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/kiss_the_boys_goodbye.htm

Nice can of worms you've opened up there.It's time to re-examine all of these 'deals'. The level of corruption here is astounding.

Marvin Bush and Kuwait Co. ran WTC and Dulles airport before 911.
and look what happened. Now they want to turn over US ports to similar elites in UAE. Note the reference to Wirt Walker who is most probably family from the George Herbert Walker side. Also Dulles is where a number of the hijackers operated from.

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
by Margie Burns

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family...

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
What the Hell?
They are more complicit in the crimes perpetuated against the US than I thought....And according the FBI didn't bother to investigate the relationships....this is failing the smell test....I am thinking MIHOP.....
<snip>
But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record.

[acmejack]

9. Do you have any idea how naive I was when I was 18 and went marching off

to war? I actually believe in my Country. I thought we were preventing the "Domino Theory". I believed that the Maddox had been attacked by the North Vietnamese because my President had said so. I believed we were winning because our leaders told me so.

Needless to say, my learning curve was steep and quite disillusioning.

[madokie]

10. Me too bro' I believed the same things

I wasn't in country but just a few days when I realized I had made a mistake, based then as now on lies.
But I did come away with something, a respect and love of the Vietnamese people. A people who could do so much with so little. How I hurt for what we are doing to the Iraqi people now.:cry: