Immigration..sorry, but this is insane

[serryjw]

When did we ever fly another countries flags even after all the immigration after WWII?
quote......
High School Bans U.S. Flag
Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag - as well as flags from other countries - amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.


Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.



"When it involves the American flag and its abuse in vilifying other people, we simply will not tolerate it," Stumpf said. "They were using the symbol derisively as misguided patriotism."
end quote.......
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/1/155002.shtml?s=lh

[MADem]

1. Fucking NEWSMAX

They love highlighting stories about xenophobia. They live for it.

Guess pieces about beating up guys with turbans, and desecrating synogogues, were getting old for them.

[Bluebear]

2. Newsmax, there's a tempered source. nt

[PetraPooh]

3. When flags are being used to bully, it should be stopped. ALSO

it is ILLEGAL immigration that is at issue not ALL immigration. I am so sick of the two being combined as one. Now for my way of thinking, the corporate farms and US businesses are the ones who should pay, not the illegals that are being encouraged to come, though they should go home. BUT honestly, back on topic, if a (US or otherwise)flag is being used to brutalize anyone, it should at least temporarily be banned from the public school that are having issues. I support Tom Stumpf's decision.

[serryjw]

4. Welcome to DU

BUT this maybe one of the craziest posts I have ever read.
When flags are being used to bully EXCUSE ME!

[PetraPooh]

5. Read the article it clearly states that

"When it involves the American flag and its abuse in vilifying other people, we simply will not tolerate it," Stumpf said. "They were using the symbol derisively as misguided patriotism."

[serryjw]

7. That was Stump interpretation

Excuse me...but they are in MY country..and illegally! If you are here legally you would never fly the Mexican flag. I have never seen any one fly a flag of another country here..even our friends

[PetraPooh]

10. I agree with you about the illegally and all, but I can easily see

that with attitudes the way they are, and teens being the way they are these days; excessive flag waving directly in the faces of others who do not share your view, would be considered bullying. Notice that he actually banned ALL flags not just the US flag, but the snippets posted here do not reflect that. I am amazed to these responses when DU'ers are usually quick to point out how "patriotism" and "flag waving" have been used to bully our citizens into a "regime" instead of a country, suddenly seem to think that shoving a real flag into a real face should somehow be accepted. ALSO please note, that I am against cooperating with business having the unfettered right to encourage these illegals with jobs, but it is not clear to me that only "illegal" students were being harrassed with the flags.

[serryjw]

18. I don't know what this means?

Excessive flag waving? You (them)can't have it both ways...Either you want to live here and become a citizen or you don't. I'm not changing our country ( bushit & Co are doing a good enough job of this) For people that are here illegally. When have you ever seen someone fly a flag of there country of origin once they become a citizen? As fare as unrest that is being created over this issue;It is a Grown ups ( the principal)job to settled down the problem by talking it out. We can't talk in America any more. He should have held a school wide assembly and allowed the kids to discuss the issue...that's education!

[PetraPooh]

25. I think first he (the principal) should remove the items that are

causing the bullying. The flags being shoved at and into the teens were becoming "weapons" of a sort. Surely if I ran a school and suddenly sticks were being used to poke and bully the students, FIRST I would require that no one have any sticks in their hands. . .then I would have an assembly, and IF the kids seemed to settle down, I would reconsider the ban of sticks. Remember that flags are usually on sticks, btw, so this analogy is potentially very accurate.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

12. I'm a citizen and I fly the Mexican flag on certain holidays.

You have a problem with that?

"If you are here legally you would never fly the Mexican flag"

[PetraPooh]

14. I do not have a problem with civil flag waving of any country.

That is not the discussion here. Here it is the concept that for the sanity and peace of a school, a principal has temporarily required flags to not be brought to school from any country, including our own. Which I think was a very wise choice.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

15. I was not replying to you (??)

I was replying to the poster who specifically said:

"If you are here legally you would never fly the Mexican flag"

[PetraPooh]

20. Sorry, my bad.

[prolesunited]

13. I live in a very mixed community

and I know LOTS of Mexican-Americans who fly Mexican flags, and guess what most of the ones I know were born here or are here legally. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[mitchtv]

17. Funny American or not they get treated as Mexicans

Partner is born in LA has little patience for Anglo immigrants to Calif. with all their "Our country" shit We fly lots of flags including Irish, Mexican, US, Calif, Tibet

[serryjw]

21. What you do in your own home is your business

NOT in a public school. What makes this any different than have religious synbols in a public school? We have Lots of parades celebrating our (original) heritage. No one has a problem with this and some whom are NOT of that heritage celebrate. There are certain traditions. When we fly a state flag it is always below the US flag.

[prolesunited]

23. Lots of parades celebrating our ORIGINAL heritage?!?!?

Of couse you mean the native American tribes that were here and other indigenous populations in Mexico and South America before the white man "discovered" the Americas.

[hfojvt]

22. my British co-worker flies a Union Jack at his house

and I have flown a German flag at my house (and I am not even German (not more that 45% by ancestry))

[monarch]

9. Any cognitive dissonance at DU?

Mexican Flag/American flag; entitlement of the rich/entitlement of the native born

I guess maybe birth trumps now but what are we going to go when Canada closes its borders?

[Rosemary2205]

6. I love RW outrage

I guess it's better the Principal sit by and do nothing while tensions get so high kids start killing each other. - This is what happens when the right deliberately stirs up wedge issues like immigration to take the attention off their own crimes.

BTW, there's not much on this excepting RW hate sites like freep and newsmax. But I did find this.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-immigration-flag-ban,1,2846099.story?coll=chi-news-hed

LONGMONT, Colo. -- Dozens of high school students protested a temporary school policy forbidding students from displaying the U.S. flag -- as well as flags from other countries -- amid racial tensions following immigration rallies.

Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student.

"When it involves the American flag and its abuse in vilifying other people, we simply will not tolerate it," Stumpf said. "They were using the symbol derisively as misguided patriotism."

snip

[serryjw]

8. I live in Denver

It is all over all the MSM websites and TV. I just happened to pick a website you don't like because it was on my homepage of AT&T. Consider the message not the messenger

[Rosemary2205]

16. Really?

AT&T's internet homepage is linking to newsmax? - considering it's "all over the MSM and TV" you'd think AT&T would be more inclined to link to what's considered a reputable news source instead of a known "Jerry springer" type source. Wow.

[PetraPooh]

19. Since you are getting more local coverage, are the RW students

actually getting too aggressive with their flag waving, or is that all hype?

[serryjw]

24. They've allowed this to become racial

I see myself as a citizen of the world and was outraged over the treatment of American Muslims after 9-11. Can you imagine what would happen if an American Muslim flew the Iranian flag? This is NOT about Mexicans and we can't buy into this bigotry. It is about 11 million people here illegally and all the ramifications to this country and people whom wait years to become citizens. What other country would allow 11 million illegal people into their country that would afford them social services?
Another articles:
http://cbs4denver.com/seenon/local_story_090213423.html

[PetraPooh]

26. I completely agree, it seems to me it was OUR USA students

getting out of hand, not the ethnic ones. And that's why I support the principal's decision to ban ALL flags, not just the non-USA ones. I am ashamed that anyone would allow or promote having their citizen children bully others in this or any other matter simply because of a different of ethnicity or opinion.

[Union Thug]

11. Big WHO CARES...

please...at risk of invoking the wrath of the nationalists here, I couldn't care less what pictures people choose to hang on their walls. Flag, tablecloth, monet, black velvet bullfighter.... Yawn... who cares. People sure invest a lot of energy in their symbols.