I work for the govt. In a govt. building. At times I forget my ID.

[CatWoman]

At times I just can't find it.

Good thing all the guards know me.

Otherwise my ass would probably be making license plates right about now, and doing my girlfriend Bertha's laundry.

From the reaction on this board, that is.

[AllieB]

1. My husband works in a federal building too

there are over 500 people in his building. He knows the guards, and the guards know him.

[CatWoman]

3. the same at my workplace

I'm situated diagonally from FEMA, and right next door to the IRS.

[AllieB]

4. If I really wanted to start trouble, I'd mention that many of the guards

in my DH's building are first generation immigrants. :hide:

Not only would I anger the folks calling for McKinney's arrest, it would twist the panties of the anti-immigration crowd. :yoiks:

[Tesha]

29. Hey, it's Monday. Give 'em a twist! (K&R)

[Jim Sagle]

2. It seems to be a case of GWB. And I DON'T mean George W. Bush.

[annabanana]

30. I do believe you have the crux of the matter.....

She did not "look like" a congresscritter..

[SPKrazy]

5. Do You Work In The Capitol?

where thousands of visitors come every day?

I don't know why she "refuses" (per Wikipedia page in other thread which may or may not be true)
to wear it. If she doesn't refuse to wear it then that is different.

I think that really no one knows what the truth is and it has all turned to speculation.

[CatWoman]

7. no, I don't work in the capitol

I didn't know that was a point I was trying to make.

P.S. -- We get thousands of visitors every day, too. :shrug:

[SPKrazy]

10. Well You Were Comparing Your Situation

in some way to McKinney weren't you?
or did i read it wrong?

the Capitol has had people shoot in there, the legislative body meets there, it is a target for those who would want to try to harm the government in some way, it would be a likely target for terrorists too.

It had good security when I visited in the 90's after someone got in with a gun.

I say good idea to have security.

I don't really know what to think about McKinney, but I doubt that your situation is that similar unless you are also a congress critter.:shrug: (back at ya!)

[novalib]

31. Cynthia Was Not

Cynthia McKinney was not going into the Capitol Building.

She was going into the Longworth House Office Building -- across the street from the Capitol

The Capitol has had people shot in there, and the legislative body meets there, and it is no doubt a target for those who would try to harm the government in some way.

But the Capitol Building is not the same as the Longworth House Office Building.

[Jara sang]

37. There is actually another checkpoint before you get to the Capitol.

In the underground tunnels. I wasn't sure where she was stopped either. The House office buildings checkpoints are very slow, while the underground checkpoints to the Capitol itself is very hectic with a lot of people.

[SPKrazy]

44. Hey Novalib

you are splitting hairs here

welcome to DU

[CatWoman]

34. I was comparing my situation to people who work in govt. buildings

and sometimes don't have my ID.

:shrug:

[SPKrazy]

45. I Understood That Completely

It is your contrasting that with McKinney's situation that seems disingenuous to me.

Perhaps I am wrong?:shrug:






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[Fredda Weinberg]

6. If I forget my ID, someone on my team has to escort me in

but I could hardly do my job without it - I'm constantly entering and leaving RFID secured rooms.

Sheesh, I wouldn't even get *to* the security desk ... the police perimeter around the block is our first line of defense.

As for McKinney, I know her intentions are good, but to be effective, you have to work well with others - and abide by the rules.

[SPKrazy]

11. Thank You For Having A Rational Opinion n/t

[Mushroom]

33. well...

It IS kind of SQUIRRELY that in a progressive forum there are posters lording their law-abiding morality over a functioning strong progressive congresswoman and forming their personal expectations of her on the flotsam & jetsam of the gop wreckage and rovian msm: hair, pin, badge, cell phone, punch, slap, poke, white male cop, black congress woman, no video, terror, terror, terror...

It makes me want to say real bad things to ya'll for being remiss.

[northzax]

8. so you stop and talk to them?

or walk around the metal detectors on your cell phone, without even looking at them?

[CatWoman]

9. leaving the cell phone question aside

as I don't own one, when I'm late I don't stop to talk to them.

[northzax]

12. you walk in, in a group of people

and bypass security? they let you do that? really? doesn't work in any government building in DC I've ever been in. I've walked into the State Department with an Undersecretary who had to be let in by his assistant because he didn't have his ID. The guards called him by name, and apologized, but wouldn't let him in. DC's a different place now.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. But McKinney was wearing her Congressional ID....

...but was not wearing her tiny lapel pin. The Congressional ID is all she needs, isn't it?

[northzax]

42. yes, but not to bypass security

even staffers have to have their IDs read, since they are not guaranteed access by the constitution. The lapel pin is what gives members access to things like the members only elevator, the tram during votes and to get past the guards entirely.

[Booster]

28. I knew there was something about that I really liked. I own a

cell phone, but I don't know the number off the top of my head and I only gave it out to 2 people and told both of them not to call me unless it's an emergency. I only want the damn thing in case I get stuck someplace and need help. People who chit chat constantly on cell phones are people I don't really want to know - hate the damn things.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

13. I was in a place like that

Surrounded by barbed wire fences, armed guards and attack dogs. Two years I was there.

































No, it was a military base. I had to have my clearance badge. I could NOT get in without it. :cry:

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I lost my work ID a couple weeks ago

Thank goodness I don't have to go by a cop who may or may not know me on my way in to work.

[Dorian Gray]

23. See... if she had just forgotten the ID

and told the officers that when she got to the building, all would have been fine. But, she walked in and REPORTEDLY (as we haven't yet seen the tape) ignored demands to stop. Then when stopped, she pushed or hit the officer. That's what she allegedly did, and why she's in trouble. It isn't because she went to work without her ID. It's because she ignored the security! That's dangerous, particularly in a building where security is necessary. I don't want to condemn either side until we know for sure what happened.

[Katherine Brengle]

15. No one is in trouble for forgetting an ID --

she assaulted a goddamned police officer for pete's sake.

This isn't really a matter of debate.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. He grabbed her from behind

She turned around and hit him in the chest with her cell phone. That's hardly assault.

[opihimoimoi]

47. Sometimes they went and hired a security guard who also is a Grabber

with a license to grab...

It was a defensive manuver when she whacked him with whatever she had at the time...the guard is lucky she wasn't carrying a sledge hamer

[DubyaSux]

25. If she WEREN'T black...

....they would have put the beatdown on her and sent her to jail. The racism card works both ways.

She refuses to wear her pin (has anybody produced a picture with her wearing her pin?) and ignored security. An "oops" would have been fine. I'm not a hypocrit. If a repug would have done this - black or white - I'd want him/her to be held accountable.

[Lars39]

26. If she was a white male Representative this wouldn't have happened,

or if it had, the guard would have probably been fired or at the least reprimanded.
There sure wouldn't be talk of arrests or lawsuits.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Let's get to the truth of the matter, shall we?.....

1. She was wearing her Congressional ID, much easier to see than the tiny lapel pin;

2. Members of Congress and Congressional Staffers routinely "ignore" security because they are not required to pass through security;

3. She was grabbed from behind by the security guard;

4. And no, if she hadn't been black, she wouldn't have been challenged at all.

[northzax]

41. Congressional ID doesn't matter at the door

everyone who works on the Hill has a similar ID, and all of them, except the Members, have to go through security. Even if all that security is is scanning your ID. The lapel pin is what allows you to, at a glance, bypass even the card scanning security.

and racism doesn't enter into it, I'm a white male, and if I bypassed security, even with an ID card around my neck, I'd be stopped as well.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. "She assaulted a goddamned police officer"??? LOL!!.....

....With what? The tip of her cellphone that she used to poke the officer to get hime to back off?

Sorry, but that won't win in front of any judge and jury. Bwahahahahaha!!!

But you're correct on one point...the debate is over, you just don't realize it yet.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

16. How do you feel about this; Microchip Security Hand Implants

Hmmm...Say goodbye to privacy!Get ready for these.Implant ID chips called big advance for Big Brother. Microchip Security Hand Implants Now Available

Microchip implants have been available for our pets for years. This technology is now available as a key to your front door or for computer passwords. The Implants are smaller than a grain of rice and can last for up to 100 years. :hi: :dem: :patriot:

[Virginia Dare]

18. That's life in D.C, isn't it?

We have a federal office in our building as well, and deal with the same issues. What I don't understand is, we're in a supposedly secure building and our office has been burglarized 3 times, twice in the middle of the day.
:shrug:

[devilgrrl]

19. You should be arrested!!!!!!

Based on your vague description!!!!!

:silly:

[noamnety]

20. A squirrel stole my ID badge

swiped it from my back porch, ran off with it, buried it in the snow in the woods behind my house. In the spring thaws, I found it. They wouldn't issue me a new one until I filed a police report on the incident.

Perp: Light brown/gray hair, height: approximately 8 inches.

not suggesting that's what happened here, I'm just sharing. :)

[hootinholler]

21. Me too, and I use an unguarded entrance the majority of the time.

So the guards see me much less often than once a week. Granted, it's not as crowded as the buildings on the hill, but...

-Hoot

[sbj405]

22. ID is not required for the House and Senate buildings

Scan your bag and you are good.

I also work in a government building. Our security requires an id for everyone. Though we've recently downgraded and now have some unguarded doors.

[oasis]

24. Any new about her press conference today? Local coverage at 10:30 am?

[Gormy Cuss]

27. Stop!

My sides hurt.
:rofl:

[Roaming]

32. But if they didn't know you, would it be that much of a PROBLEM

(as it apparently was for McKinney) to stop for a moment and let them verify your identity?

[CatWoman]

35. I suppose it's a good thing that they know me, huh?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. "They" who? To whom are you referring? Those security guards....

...are supposed to know the Members of Congress on sight. Period.

Additionally, since McKinney is one of only fourteen black female Members of Congress, she should have been identified with little or no difficulty.

Let's put it to you this way...if it had been Hastert or Frist, oe any other white Member of Congress, would they have been grabbed from behind?

[jus_the_facts]

43. Here's some LBN to make matters worse.....

....the smear goes on. x(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2205121

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Cynthia McKinney admits that she broke government rules by spending money to fly a celebrity to Atlanta.

Channel 2 Action News has uncovered documents showing McKinney, D-Ga., spent about $1,000 of taxpayer's money to fly singer Isaac Hayes to Georgia to help dedicate a new office in Atlanta.

The money came from a fund members of Congress are supposed to use for office supplies.

Using the money to pay for Hayes' airline ticket and hotel expenses is a violation of strict congressional rules. Those rules state that taxpayer money can only be used for "travel by Members, Members' employees and vendors. A vendor is an employee of a private company that provides maintenance and support for equipment and software..."

more: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8442213/detail.html

:hi: Midori!! :loveya:

[SPKrazy]

46. Here Are Links To Ms. McKinney's Hair Makeover

I don't know when she did it

but if it were part of the problem of identifying her, I can see why:


before


after