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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:47 AM
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How sweet it is.... another die-hard conservative abandons Bush.
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 12:56 AM by CanuckAmok
Long story, but through no fault of her own, my mom ended-up making friends with this super-wealthy American family who are related to the Bushes.

These people are life-long Republicans, from a long line of conservatives who can trace their ancestry to the Mayflower.

The last generation's patriarch was already insanely rich, but managed to become even more wealthy by being one of the few New York State bankers to survive the Great Depression, and finance other ventures. The result is a family fortune which is in the eight, maybe nine, figure region.

Anyway... my mom was in touch with her old friends, and one of their grandsons is getting married this summer. As he's Bab's grand-nephew, the wedding is being held at the White House.

Which, apparently, doesn't sit well with the current family patriarch. Having been a fanatical Nixon, Reagan and Bush I supporter/fundraiser, as well as a Bush/Cheney voter (both times) you'd think he'd be excited about a big wingding at the WH on the taxpayers' dime. Imagine, if you will, a 78 year old widower resembling an LLBean catalogue model, with a few more age-spots and hairs on his nose. New England accent, Mr. Howell's affectations, etc, etc, etc. Are you imaginging a blue cable-knit sweater hanging over his shoulders, and a pair of leather Top-Siders? Bingo. That's what this chap, this life-long, idle-rich, waspy blue-blood is like. Pretty much the poster boy for elitist, old-monied, ivy-league US Conservative interests.

But, no. He loathes Bush II.

When my mom asked him to elaborate, he apparently went-off on a huge tirade about how he thinks that GWB is certifiably insane, how he allows critical policy issues to be decided by his (and I quote) "invisible playmates in the sky", how he's a complete moron, and how he's dangerous enough to cause WWIII and love it.

But he continued (I'm going to paraphrase because I wasn't there, but this is what my mom related to me in a very long email)... "Conservativism is supposed to be about encouraging the free market, and allowing the resulting increased profits to the corporate sector filter down to the public, and to the economy in general. But it's also about these corporations running as lean as possible and competing with each other for the revenue that's out there. Bush and his cronies are as far from economic conservativism as you can get; they grant sweetheard deals to their friends, who in-turn hoarde the revenue without re-investing it in a tangable way in the economy. They exclude other corporate entities from government contracts, and award them to Haliburton, Carlisle, and dozens more the public hasn't even heard of. They run the economy more like Stalin would, if he ran a 'free market' economy. There's no fair competion in Bush's America; it's all about the power elite (quoting Chomsky!!) becoming more powerful at the expense of national interests. And if it's not enough that he's sold the nation to his golfing buddies, he's breaking the law to keep regular Americans from exposing the truth. It's as if a junta has taken over DC."

"The man is either a religious fanatic, or a damned good liar. In any case, he's allowing national security and military policy to be run by our own home-grown version of the Taliban, and in the process, alienating the US even further than we already have been. He took the events of 9/11, when we had the sympathy of the world community, and used it as a platform to advance his own transparent agenda. We now look like bullies, running around Asia and the Middle East as if we own the place, and you know who's going to pay for it? Me. And you. With taxes, with the erosion of infrastructure, bank failures, and worst of all, more dead Americans overseas AND right here. He is singlehandedly encouraging the largest Jihad in the history of the Arab Region, and he either doesn't know it, or he does and he's waiting for Jesus Christ to come down in his magic sandals and smite the evil-doers. Just when you're convinced the man can't put a complete sentence together without falling off the podium, he makes some faux-intelligent decision that plays on peoples' most base, atavistic instincts; greed, rage, fear. In a way, it's genius."

"But for the first time in my life, I'm not voting Republican this year. I have made it a point to see who among the Republican Party is still alligned with Bush after this NSA thing, and the mess in Iraq, and those people are cut off. Not a dime from me or my family. Ever again. I've been talking to my friends, and they seem polarised on the issue, bus it seems that anyone in my social circle who isn't completely demented has become really disillusioned with Bush. And, I'll admit that many of them are disillusioned because of their own self-interest, but the bottom line is that it's commonly believed that the man is quite likely the worst President in American History! I'd rather have a Labrador Retriever as President; then you could at least count on him to bring your ducks in. And I swear to god, if he's actually at the White House for ********'s wedding, I'm going to walk right out, and take my family with me."



Like I said, "how sweet it is".


edited for typos
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:51 AM
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1. Wow, wow, wow! Pigs are definitely flying!
Thanks for sharing this. Brought a smile to my face.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:52 AM
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2. Sweet indeed!
BTW, I love your Curious George pic.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:53 AM
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3. My rich GOP lady friend won't vote GOP again
She acknowledges she's made out like a bandit under W, but also acknowledges America's poor has been given the shaft by W. She's worrying about her own way into heaven. She's finally waking up.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:53 AM
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4. Excellent, one vote with a big pocket book could do
wonders in '06 and '08. This gives me hope. Though I wonder how his son and grandson feel. They seem to be more the "me, me, me" generation age that supports bush.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:01 AM
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10. Yeah, well...
he and his wife had six daughters, and five of those six are still rabid GOPers. They're not the relgious wingnut types, but they're the preppy blue-blood, gated-community, Volvo wagon, I've got mine so fuck you kind of Cons. And all the daughters' kids are completely institutionalised in the Conservative system, from boarding school to prep school to Harvard/Yale and beyond. The one getting married is the oldest, and he's only 24. So they really don't know any other point of view, and I bet, (hopefully) without revealing the family identity, one of these grandkids will eventually get a GOP nomination for the Top Slot. That's how connected this family is.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:38 AM
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19. Challenge them on why they are not in Iraq
If they believe so much in the system.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:56 AM
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22. Orwell said that some are more equal than others.
I can't ask them, myself, because I haven't seen any of the grandkids since they were in kindergarten. And, I already know what the answer is, anyway.

That's the American Conservative Paradox; "our sons are equal under the law, and equal in the sense that they have the same opportunities to advance themselves. But your son is more obligated to fight and die in warfare than is my son."

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:46 AM
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68. They are in direct contrast to Pres and Jonny Bush
Jonny's doin' bizness in New Haven now. One of my former Greenwich volunteers for Planned Parenthood was his buddy. He's been greeted pretty icily at Pres Bush's house and by Jonny when they have lunch at the New Haven Lawn Club.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:54 AM
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5. wow, great post
:)
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:54 AM
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6. Great story!
Let's hope he talks to all of his friends and they listen!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:56 AM
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7. ahhhhh, how sweeeeet it is--and I was just having dessert--what a
wonderful topper!!! thank you so much for sharing this.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:57 AM
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8. LOL!
" I'd rather have a Labrador Retriever as President; then you could at least count on him to bring your ducks in. "

AWE. SOME. :rofl:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:11 PM
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53. Yeah, don't mention "ducks" in the White House.
There's the lame duck/dead duck "president," and then there's the whole Cheney/Whittington debacle.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:58 AM
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9. k&r
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:03 AM
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11. Thanks for relaying that conversation!
I'm going to bed feeling happy. :-)
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:09 AM
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12. Thank you for sharing this. It's a viewpoint we'd never get otherwise.
If the blue-blooded Mayflower elite is that disgusted with Shrub, he's really in big trouble!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:14 AM
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13. I hope he plans on donating to the DNC or at least the Dem
candidate of his choice.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:19 AM
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16. Well, let's not go nuts.
I doubt he'd go that far, but I can see him spoiling his ballot, or voting for an independent with no chance, or something like that.

I don't even know where he's registered; he has a place in Miami, a place in Buffalo, and a place in Manhattan. He's probably got Buffalo listed as his primary residence. I have no idea what kind of candidate options he has in his district.
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:16 AM
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14. wow excellent!
"I'd rather have a Labrador Retriever as President; then you could at least count on him to bring your ducks in"

Amazing! K & R
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:17 AM
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15. There are a great many conservatives who do not like Bush.
Surprisingly, there are quite a few who see the free market at the mercy of the super elite, as this gentleman clearly does.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:45 AM
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45. But how many are his UNCLE? n/t
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runragged Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:17 PM
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55. He's not the president's uncle...
He's the 78 year old father of the woman who married the man whose aunt is the mother of the president.

So let's get this straight. This ROF (Rich Old Fart) has a grandson... (That would be the man whose father's aunt is the president's mother). And he's having his wedding at the White House. Because naturally the grand-nephew of a sitting president's mother wouldn't have his wedding anywhere else... especially given that the sitting president's mother was the first lady and lived in the White House a decade or so ago. (BTW, this'll be wedding number *eighteen* in the entire history of the place according to http://www.theamericanpresidency.us/weddings.htm ).

Now, this family must be close. After all the grand-nephew of the mother of a sitting president has never had his wedding in the WH before, so this family must be especially close.

But despite these oh-so-close familial ties, so deep is the ROF's hatred of the president, that he, the maternal grandfather of the man whose father is the nephew of the president's mother has said that if the president dares attend the wedding (again, the wedding being held **at the president's own home**), the ROF and his entire family (groom included?) will walk out.

I'm convinced. Let's break out the champagne! THIS is cause to celebrate... I mean, if the GOP can't count on the support of a 78 year old ROF who's also the father-in-law of the cousin of the president, who can they hold onto? (err... besides 5 of the six of the ROF's daughters).
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:19 PM
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58. Thanks for clearing that up. Your link lists who has had a WH Wedding...
and their relationship to the president was:
1. Sister-in-law (First Lady's sister)
2. Daughter (married her cousin, First Lady's nephew)
3. Son
4. niece on First Lady's side
5. Daughter of close friend
6. Daughter
7. Daughter
8. Niece on First Lady's side
9. The President
10. Daughter
11. Daughter
12. Daughter
13. Niece on President's side
14. Assistant to President married in private residence.
15. Daughter
16. Daughter
17. Brother-in-law (First Lady's brother)

I guess #5 sets the precident, but I still don't like the idea that they can't host state dinners, but they can throw a wedding for the president's first cousin once removed.
The Bushes have hosted the fewest foreign dignitaries of any recent president. I guess he's too busy clearing brush in Waco to make nice to the leaders of foreign nations.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:26 AM
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17. Wow! I would love to see him put down all of his thoughts in writing!
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:30 AM
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26. That's funny, because....
(and I'm not saying this to be a dick) I think he may be functionally illiterate. I've read postcards and letters from him, and they look as if they were written by an eight year old. The penmanship is messy, but the reel ishoo is that the speling is atroshus.

And then it occurred to me that he went to X ivy-league school because his dad and grandfather went there. He probably goofed-off all the time and didn't learn too much. I've seen him read the paper, but now that I think of it, I don't recall him ever reading a book.

That said, he's not actually a bad guy. Despite being a rich conservative who never had to hold a job, he served in the Navy and he and his wife used to hold all kinds of fundraisers for the arts (especially theatre), community organisations, and local universities. If I painted him as a thuggish, asocial neocon, I apologise, because he's not that, at all. Would I be right in describing him as an Eisenhower Conservative? Is that closer to traditional, "compassionate" conservativism?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:49 AM
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32. Bush also has Ivy League degrees.
'Nuff said.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:36 AM
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35. Could be dyslexic -- Nelson Rockefeller was, & memorized all his speeches
IIRC. Anyhow, "Thurston Howell" sounds intelligent and thoughtful.

The nice thing about being born a rich and powerful dyslexic is you can afford secretaries from the get-go, and that can compensate for the handicap. It's not a cure-all, because to get anyplace real you still have to have intelligence, ambition, and drive. But there's nothing like being rich and powerful from birth to get you into the right schools, graduated from same, introduced to the right people, hired in the first place, and so on -- despite deficiencies that lesser mortals would find very difficult to surmount.

My first husband M was/is very dyslexic. Back when we met in college no one even knew what that was. My Mom used to tutor other people's kids when I was growing up, and I had the impression that only lazy or dull people never learned to spell. Getting to know M taught me differently: he was intelligent and yet he worked like hell to decipher his textbooks and to spell and write legibly. He eventually got a Master's degree. In college he hired professional typists to clean up his term papers, but nowadays Spell-Checker is his friend.

I'm just sayin'.

Hekate
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:53 AM
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46. Unless his last name is Pierce, he married Bab's sister.
You said his grandson is Bab's grand nephew or great nephew? Do the geneology.

Maybe it would be a good thing if these ultra rich people who will never work a day in their lives don't go to university. Why should they take a seat away from someone who had better grades and will probably USE the education to make this a better country.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:24 AM
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48. Might be great-nephew "once removed" or something...
That, I don't know.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:33 AM
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18. Well said Mr. Howell, well said.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:38 AM
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20. great story!!
And I totally agree with him.....and I'm not even a conservative!

Bush is about as far from economically conservative as you can get! Honestly, I don't know how anyone can support him at this point but apparently there a few out there somewhere........at least 33% of the country anyway. I haven't seen a poll in a couple of weeks but this is the last number I heard of.

So apparently 1/3 of the country is either insane or they're just not paying attention!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:56 AM
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21. Recommended a while ago, but...
forgot to KICK IT!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:20 AM
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23. What's the wedding dress look like? I mean ASSHOLE you voted for W TWICE!
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 02:28 AM by LaPera
Sounds like someone isn't getting his slice of the pie that he's been so used to...the disgusting sick bastard!!! As he and his cronies that he's supported all his life, fucked over the American workers and the middle class!!!

Now your telling us all this shit about Bush that we've all known from jump!!!

And that goes for your other lying, criminal, greedy, deregulation happy assholes...Nixon, Reagan & pappy Bush --- I despise ALL republicans and their sick, heartless, greedy ideology!!!

Including you ASSHOLE...That's what I would say to the heartless prick!!!!!
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:22 AM
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24. ...touche.
:popcorn:
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:28 AM
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25. Wonderful!
Glad to see somebody speak their mind.

:7

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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:56 AM
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27. Gezzzzz, he just voted again, for Bush, just over a year ago...
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 03:48 AM by LaPera
I also must say that what he said is fair and correct, if one believes in a deregulated capitalist system...which I don't. Because it's elitist, that kind of system that the blue-bloods have been shoving down our throats since we were born, can only survive on EXPLOINTING -- people, the weaker, the poor, the workers and our planet. With no regulations the people, (and the planet) don't stand a chance...and that's what that "wonderful" republican who was "speaking his mind" stands for and believes...

Did he really expect Bush to just suddenly change from being ignorant, arrogant and stupid? Or is it that Bush the greedy republican has been exposing the true republican ideology, clearly, and out in the open, that the republicans have been lying and hiding about for decades?

Sorry, didn't mean to pop the bubble...its just how I see it... as I too hear republicans all the time abandoning ship in public...but give them the chance, at the drop of a hat, they will vote and support the evil regressive republicans exactly the same way they have all their greedy, republican ideoloical life!!

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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:28 AM
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34. Pure Capitalism is cruel - We need "tempered" Capitalism to be humane.
NOT SOCIALISM - but most educated people admit pure Capitalism is cruel and inhumane. Hence the child labor laws, minimum wage, environmental laws, anti-trust laws, etc.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:01 AM
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28. He came to realize all this AFTER November 2, 2004...???
:wtf:

More likely, although he'd "rather have a Labrador Retriever as President," in the absence of a suitable canine, he'd still choose Bush over any of those socialistic Democrats like Kerry, Edwards, or (shudder) Hillary. :eyes:


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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:24 AM
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37. Not a real brighty righty, is he.
He continues with his high drama: they're "cut off", I'll "walk right out."

No discussions, no pro-active agenda. Just drama.

He's an archetype of how we got into this mess.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:27 AM
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47. Yep
Happened around 29 September, 2005 I bet (see Katrina).
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:04 AM
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29. Beautiful! My GOP neighbors will never vote GOP again. n/t
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:21 AM
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30. The GOP guy in the story will though!!!!!
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 03:55 AM by LaPera
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:59 PM
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63. Hi Seabiscuit.
Do you think it will matter how we vote? I am concerned about the rigging of these elections, but I'm glad to hear your neighbors are turned away from the GOP.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:08 AM
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67. I don't think it matters how we vote unless we have a huge majority.
Anything close (within 10%) will be rigged against us.

This makes me sicker than anything about this country right now. They've stolen our votes from us for the past 3 elections and will continue to do so because our D.C. Dems won't do the job they're sworn to do.

Meanwhile I'm reduced to reveling in small pleasures like witnessing my neighbors' transformation.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:26 AM
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31. I just love these Flying Pig stories!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:14 AM
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33. I hope the dear man finally opened up & told your mom how he REALLY feels!
My oh my oh my.

I hope "Thurston Howell" persuades his entire social class to revolt against the junta; because he's finally figured out what we at DU saw after the "selection" -- that we had a coup d'etat here, and all else has followed from that.

I also hope there won't be repercussions from your having posted so extensively. We DUers obviously won't be able to figure out who he is from your post, but some connected lurker might.

It makes for very good reading, I'll say that.

Hekate

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:06 AM
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36. It must be cooling off in Hell
Republicans are getting very unhappy with this administration, and the direction their party is taking. I know a few as well, who just shake their heads and exclaim how Bush has lost it, and the party isn't doing anything about reeling him in.

One said, "They keep giving him more and more rope, eventually the fool will hang himself, and take the party down with him."

:rofl: It's hard not to laugh, these people got themselves in this situation, and the light of day is finally shining upon them. They are not happy about being lied to.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:28 AM
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38. Sounds like this old coot believed in noblesse oblige.
You want to know what noblesse oblige became? Tax deductible charity. A combination of noblesse oblige and trickle down economics. They can't give anything away without getting back something in return.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:58 AM
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39. This is the type of GOP guy who could help promote a "visit".
You know, the "it's time to go now, Mr. President" Nixon visit.

If he really is that fed up, then he needs to act - his money multiplies his voice many times over in in D.C.

Should he team up with just a few of his other monied friends, they could have the impact of thousands of little ol' you-and-me's!
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:43 AM
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44. He's Dubya's uncle!
Their grandson is Bab's great-nephew. That means if his last name isn't Pierce, then he married Bab's sister.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:15 AM
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40. Canuck Amok:
I love your Curious George signature line. He's such a bad monkey!
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:35 AM
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41. I believe this because I'm seeing and hearing it also
but what connects the stories (this and mine) is that this is occurring in the Northeast; I am concerned that it is not happening elsewhere as much

Kevin Phillips new book touches on this - RUN OUT AND BUY HIS BOOK or buy and give it to your wavering friends - it will push them onto our side.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:38 AM
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42. So the White House is rented out for weddings?
The GOP complained about Clinton allowing people to sleep over in the Lincoln bedroom.

How many other First-Cousin-once-removed weddings have there been in the White House? I haven't even heard of a president's niece or nephew getting married in the White House unless they lived there. This is a regular thing in the BFEE to use government property as if it was their own. Have there been other Bush weddings that were not covered by the press because it wasn't anyone famous?

Their grandson is Bab's great-nephew, wouldn't that mean the man is married to Bab's sister?

So the groom's side is throwing the wedding and not the Bride's side? What kind of girl is he marrying that her family can't afford a decent place and has to fall back on the grooms great-aunt providing them with government housing she is no longer entitled to? There are grander places that don't require everyone pass through a pre-screening security check as well as metal detectors.

The Bush's can't throw state dinners for diplomats, but they can throw a private wedding for a distant cousin.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:40 AM
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43. The rich guy is right
it's not Free trade, not by a long shot
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:47 AM
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49. Ah, these old Republicans.

This old man almost cures me of my pathological loathing for anything right-wing. Why can't ALL conservatives be PROPER conservatives like this chap? At least they have *something* resembling an ideology.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:13 AM
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50. Funny. I'll bet he'll never connect that HIS family made and kept their
fortune on the same rigged gravy train. Republicans are so outraged when their filth is exposed for all to see.
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JohnnyLib Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:18 AM
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51. First, Buckley--
and now a wing of the family? I hear more erosion. Drip, drip, drip.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:22 AM
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52. Thats a good read, music to my ear actually. thanks for sharing
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:24 PM
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54. Sadly, it all will not matter unless the votes get counted honestly.
Can we be sure of that????????????????????
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:28 PM
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56. Best line...* policy issues decided by "playmates in the sky"
oh my...good one!
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:06 PM
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57. The president as a Lab
was good too. Yeh, those comments are spoken like the old time GOP that I miss (as opposed to Neocons). I can have conversations with these folks and you can reason with them. They actually invest back in whereas neo just horde. How far to the right has the GOP gone when gentlemen like this seem downright liberal.
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runragged Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:29 PM
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59. If anyone believes this nonsense
Seriously... The first cousin once removed of the president is getting married in the White House and there isn't a single news story about it? The 78 year old die-hard conservative who voted for * quotes Chomsky? The children who were educated at Harvard/Yale don't know anything but conservatism? The grandfather's so disgusted with the president that he's threatening to ruin his oldest grandson's wedding by walking out and taking his family with him if the resident of the home where the wedding is being held shows up?

I searched the New York Times for wedding announcements and engagement announcements where the groom's name is either Rafferty or Pierce (Bab's only sister married a Rafferty and her two brothers shared her maiden name - Pierce).

Nothing showed up... shocking, especially given how "well-connected" and "influential" this family is.

So... like I said... if you believe all this claptrap I've got some desert... err... I mean... ocean-front property I can get you a real sweet deal on.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:32 PM
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60. Cool! Hope the younger generations of that family are listening to him
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:56 PM
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61. So... the wedding's still on for the white house?
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 08:57 PM by electron_blue
Doesn't sound very pissed off to me. Sorry to be a sour note here, but this sounds fishy to me.
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:36 PM
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62. Are Jesus' majic sandels on the wedding gift list?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:07 PM
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64. Some repugs are blessed with an intellect that says abandon a sinking ship
plus Bush lied to eveybody, wasn't exclusive to Democrats.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:09 PM
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65. This might cost your mom a friend or two, and put you
out of her confidence.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:27 AM
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66. what, for making up stories?
;)
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