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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:05 AM
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"Shadowstats" - Real Unemployment 12%, real CPI 8%. We're in a RECESSION.
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 10:21 AM by Atman
Shadow Statistics
by Jim Sinclair

You're bombarded with all those statistics that pour out of Washington, the ones that appear to show how unemployment and inflation are low, GDP is expanding, and so on. They may not square with your personal experience, but after all, the government pays a lot of people with fancy degrees a lot of money to carefully track economic statistics. So you figure the numbers must be somewhat accurate.

But now a man has come out of the woodwork who's done the real math and properly crunched all the numbers. His conclusion: "If the numbers don't seem real to the man in the street--they probably aren't."

<snip>

Has he ever. What Williams does (and few others bother to do) is read the fine print. The government, he notes in a recent interview with Kathryn Welling of the welling@weeden investment newsletter, "is very honest in terms of disclosing what it does. It always footnotes the changes and provides all the fine details." It is in those details--no surprise--that the devil lies.

"What has happened over time," Williams says, "is that the methodologies employed to create the widely followed series, such as ... the GDP, the CPI, the employment numbers, all have had biases built into them that result in overstating economic growth and understating inflation."

"Real unemployment right now--figured the way that the average person thinks of unemployment, meaning figured the way it was estimated back during the Great Depression--is running about 12%. Real CPI right now is running at about 8%. And the real GDP is probably in contraction. I venture that if you talked about those numbers now with the average person, they would say that they seem reasonable ... my work shows that the economic perceptions of non-professionals actually have some real validity; there are in fact reasons for the disconnect between official statistics and what the populace is feeling."

The ShadowStats Web site

Link to the article above Scroll down a few posts.

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Also, from the current edition of Gillespie's subscriber-only newsletter at ShadowStats:

• March 2006 Edition subscription required (Mar. 15)
In general, the broad economic outlook has not changed. Since the beginning of 2005 a number of key indicators have been nearing or at their fail-safe points, with four indicators moving beyond those levels, signaling a recession. Once beyond their fail-safe points, these indicators have never sent out false alarms, either for an economic boom or bust. The 2005 to 2007 inflationary recession showed signs of deepening in the latest reporting. Monthly data show plunging new orders for durable goods and contracting industrial production, retail sales, help-wanted advertising, real average weekly earnings and consumer confidence. Consumer credit growth also remained sub-par. As to inflation, both the CPI and PPI topped expectations, and oil prices have remained strong. Also published recently were the full trade data for 2005. Based on fourth-quarter GDP, net exports and employment data, the U.S. trade deficit has cost 8.8 million jobs over time, with 800,000 jobs lost in 2005, alone.

(edited for a more compelling subject line!)
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:06 AM
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1. Trade deficit.
is it really a trade deficit or a job give away??
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:07 AM
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2. Link to article - page not found
:(
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:17 AM
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5. I think I fixed it...try it now
Sorry!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:49 AM
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12. No Prob. All better now.
:)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:08 AM
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3. I Know Him!
I've been at the same speakers' table with him at economic fora. Probably at least twice. Maybe three times.

He's from the same philosophical bent as am i, in that we are really much more concerned about the analytical aspect of the numbers than reinforcing any specific theories. I guess we'd be radicals in the field. He's a model builder like i am, and this book is close to what most of my published articles have been. That is, a debunking of conventional wisdom and exposing the "smokes and mirrors" aspect of governmental accounting for economics.

I'm going to have to call him. Maybe he'll give me a copy of the book. I haven't seen him in about 4 years. (2001 or 2002, i think.)
The Professor
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:22 AM
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6. Cool!
Give him a DU shout-out for us!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:23 AM
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7. Can Do!
The Professor
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:24 AM
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14. If you are a scientist concerned with analysis you are indeed a radical to
this administration! Keep up the good work.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:08 AM
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Triple Post
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 10:09 AM by ProfessorGAC
Sorry
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:26 AM
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9. I've been saying that
for ever --the numbers mean nothing to the average man and they are misleading also the f'ing Dow means nothing unless you have money!!!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:08 AM
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4. Triple Post
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 10:09 AM by ProfessorGAC
Sorry
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:26 AM
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8. This sort of numbers voodoo with government stats
Has been going on for a long while. However it has gotten much worse since the Bush administration took office. These fools are going to continue to preach that everything is just rosy, even as the economy goes over the cliff.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:28 AM
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10. I was just
gonna say I bet Bush has something to do with it! I'm sorry but it really is all his fault-EVERYTHING!!!
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:36 AM
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11. BushCo has lied about most everything!
Why would this be different?

The last few years have been brutal in Indiana. Many small towns have seen all of their manufacturing jobs evaporate.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:05 AM
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13. recession?
this is the bush depression. wasn't the unemployment rate during the great depression 10%?
but we got teevee, and survivor and american idol, so all is good.
nevermind.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:27 AM
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15. Don't forget credit cards. Lots and lots of credit cards. nt
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:29 AM
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16. IMO, We've BEEN in a Recession since 2000 bubble burst.
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 11:30 AM by Dr. Jones
When jobs are as easy to come by and salaries are flying through the roof again like they did in the good Clinton years of the 90s, I'll believe the economy is good. But in reality it's the opposite, has been since the tech bubble burst in March of 2000 and the subsequent outsourcing/insourcing of our jobs.

Two Bush economic LIES of late: 1) The economy is "strong and growing stronger," and 2) "Jobs Americans WILL NOT DO."

Both these lies burn me up!
:mad:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:35 PM
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21. Ever since Bush has been in The rich get richer and the poor
get poorer but that doesn't make for a good economy ... that makes for a Depression

Real Estate inflation has kept many Americans afloat but its topped so its going to be a bumpy road ahead for everybody but at least somebody is being honest about the numbers...
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:16 PM
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17. Good read.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:49 PM
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18. lick for later/ eom
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:59 PM
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19. afternoon kick
:kick:

If for no other reason than this is good meat to show your republican "friends" who keep claiming the economy is going great guns, and believing BushCo's bullshit about a 5% unemployment rate.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:07 PM
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24. They'll continue to support Bush so long as THEY have jobs.
Then if they're laid off and replaced with a lower-paid foreign worker (legal or otherwise), they'll cry foul at Bush and consider leaving the party.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:21 PM
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20. You know just today in our local paper, I read something that
rings along the same lines. Just as bold as can be, two economists are disputing that the costs of housing are overinflated, in fact, they claim in Los Angeles (where an old 2 bedroom/1 Bath can run 800K) they state that housing is slighlty undervalued. They have devised this formula based on what can be obtained for a montly rent on a house verses a mortgage. What a total piece of shit. How bout simple add and subtract? I can't pay 2k a month for a house if that is all I bring home a month. I am waiting for this new "method" to take off like wildfire to continue to justify a false economy.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 09:44 PM
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22. Thanks . I knew unemployment figures were rigged but I didn't know
the real figures.

Didn't manufacturing jobs jump a few years ago when they decided to reclassify fast food jobs as manufacturing? Or am I hallucinating?
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 01:27 PM
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23. Good Kick!
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 02:15 PM
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25. Changing the rules to fit a skewed agenda.
Hmmm sounds familiar.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:52 AM
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26. k
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