Who Stands with U.S. Congress Woman Cynthia McKinney - an American Hero

[bpilgrim]

Poll question: Who Stands with U.S. Congress Woman Cynthia McKinney - an American Hero

:shrug:

[KG]

1. she won't sit down, and she won't shut up.

unlike so many other 'fraidy cat democrats.

[Pastiche423]

21. I do!

We need many more Cynthia :loveya: McKinney's in Congress.

, Kirk!

[KG]

23. yes we do.

hey, Tori! how ya doing?
:hi:

[mom cat]

81. Send her some money! She is being swift boated! Here is the link:

http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/donations.html

[Twist_U_Up]

88. Will Do . She called chimps bluff on 9-11. Enough for me to support her

[mom cat]

102. Let's send Cynthia some "green roses", donations to her re-election!

http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/donations.html

[Twist_U_Up]

215. Thanks I will !!

She is getting a raw deal and needs our support

[WiseButAngrySara]

99. K & R, and I do too! Let's send this thread to her when done....n/t

[bpilgrim]

175. excellent idea...

an overwhelming majority of DUers support her :bounce:

peace

[MadisonProgressive]

2. I like her hairdo!!

[waiting for hope]

29. Me too.....

Don't understand what the big commotion is over that....I've seen really bad do's in my time....

[MadisonProgressive]

136. Some RW Fuck saidshe looked like a ghetto whore

(whatever the fuck that means - Is this guy talking from personal experience? )

[TriMetFan]

3. I have to say I stand with her.

If this was a white rapeblican the cops would not have said a damn thing.

[BlooInBloo]

9. Well duh. White folks *belong* in the Capitol.

:sarcasm:

[obnoxiousdrunk]

4. I do. n/t

[Benhurst]

5. Of course. She stands up for us. NT

[MuseRider]

7. Bingo!

Me too.

[ShortnFiery]

19. I do also. n/t

[0007]

218. Me too!

[devilgrrl]

6. McKinney rocks - it is her detractors that are the embarrassment!

Go Cynthia! :bounce:

[seemslikeadream]

8. Cynthia McKinney "Mr. Chairman, I have a question"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x80056

[DanCa]

10. I am leaning toward her way

I was undecided at first but now after gathering facts and the way the repugs are changing their story it seems that she was terribly wronged.

[BlooInBloo]

11. I'm with her....

It does seem like she could conduct herself with more decorum sometimes, however.

[jukes]

15. well she hasn't

made an obscene gesture and an extremel crude, homophobic insult in italian...

[BlooInBloo]

18. I wholeheartedly agree others could do so as well....

That doesn't take away from my belief that SHE could also.

[ShortnFiery]

45. Yes, our dear Supreme Court Justice is such a good role model

and the VP had the gauche manners to shoot his friend in the face. Hum, McKinney was grabbed from behind, many women may have instinctively done MORE damage. And it would have been absolutely the officer's fault.

Our Country is being turned into a Police State by thugs, the last thing we need to worry about in our representatives is that they've got decorum ... I'll take a SPINE any-day over Miss. Manners.

[BlooInBloo]

53. Did you miss my post #18?

I really don't see what OTHER people's behavior has to do with HERS.

Can't we wish that THEY ALL would conduct themselves with a bit more decorum? Is that really so wrong? REALLY?

[ShortnFiery]

60. Sorry, I'm not going to be concerned with "curtsies" when our

ENTIRE Democratic Republic is being dismantled into a POLICE STATE. You can bow and curtsy as they come to take you away for no valid reason.

We need fire brands like McKinney! She may not have decorum that Babs or Laura has, but she is one beautiful woman and I'm proud that she's a congresswoman.

God Bless Her! Remember Helen Thomas is considered "rude" to the right wingers too?

When a person stands up to speak truth to power, they are always attacked as such.

It's bogus, pure and simple.

McKinney has all the Decorum that the Right Wing deserves given the constant harassment and smear campaigns they have launched against her. Bless her courage.

[BlooInBloo]

70. Huh? Curtsies?

:shrug:

okie - I think I'll go stand over THERE now - cya!

[robinlynne]

12. She is one of our best!

She is up there with Conyers and Feingold and Boxer. an important VOICE!

[radio4progressives]

13. She is being Harrassed because she Exposes MIHOP

and she will not stand down to TPB.

[MsKandice01]

14. I stand with her 100% in her politics

This incident, though? I'm not so sure.

[Lelah]

155. cynthia

...waiting to see security videos.

[CatWoman]

16. she's my congresswoman

and I love her to death.

[jaysunb]

17. Could you call and ask her if

I could love her too !! Damn ! she turns me on....
Not more than you of course. :rofl: :hi:

[CatWoman]

35. !!

:hi:

[uggieheart]

20. I do, but I also think about 2 things:

1). She is hurting a policeman's career unnecessarily; he's just a common worker like everyone else (and he could easily be a Democrat).

2). She is making EVERYONE less safe at the Capitol because ALL the policemen will now be more reluctant to stop people and card them.


I appreciate her political stand and wanting to throw a wrench into things, but this might be causing more harm than good.

[ShortnFiery]

24. No way!

When was the last time you heard of an Capitol Hill Police officer GRABBING someone from behind? He had to know that a significant number of powerful people entered his area. He would NOT have grabbed her from behind had he not used in-appropriate stereotypes (Black woman - Big Hair) to come to the 100% conclusion that she did not belong there.

What if this big haired woman was Condi Rice who recently changed her hair style? Would you then say he was doing his job?

No, he could have, as trained, placed himself IN FRONT OF her and made a SCENE by talking loud. No, he did not because he was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that she was of NO importance within the capitol area.

NO, you don't assault a person from behind ESPECIALLY in an area chock full of dignitaries - you get in front of the person.

[uggieheart]

32. That's a totally unfair assumption on your part.

"he was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that she was of NO importance within the capitol area."


I've seen LOTS of pics of Cynthia and she has ALWAYS looked very well-dressed, well-presented, poised--you CAN'T tell me she looked out of place in the Capitol and you don't know that that is what he thought.

[ShortnFiery]

37. Then, I say again, a Capitol Hill Police Officer, steeped in PROTOCOL

would not grab a potential diplomat nor congresswoman from behind. He just would NOT. It's no assumption to conclude that he was absolutely convinced that she was of no political importance in order to assault her from behind.

No Capitol Hill Police Officer wants to make SUCH a EGREGIOUS MISTAKE. IMO if it were a Republican, this officer would have been fired on the spot.

[uggieheart]

44. 2 policemen were killed last year.

He SHOULD have stopped her if she would not answer his voice commands. She does not deserve special treatment.

[ShortnFiery]

52. Many Congresspersons do not wear their Congressional (pledge?)

PIN. Yeah, if you are legislating while BLACK and have BIG HAIR you best be damn sure you have IDs hanging out all over the place. And say YESss A Sir Mr. Capitol Hill Police Officer!

BS. Many congress members choose to just wear their ID but THIS OFFICER was convinced that the ID she aptly showed him must be FAKE. Otherwise he would NOT have grabbed her from behind. He should be fired or at least dressed down with classes about African American facial characteristics. No, they don't all look alike and it's unprofessional to ID people OF OTHER RACES on the basis of hairstyle.

[uggieheart]

55. You have NO evidence of ANY of that.

[Karenina]

219. I do...

Cynthia McKinney's run-in with a Capitol police officer isn't the only recent case where an African-American lawmaker has accused government officials of racial profiling. In February, several members of the Georgia General Assembly were denied entry to the main area where Coretta Scott King's body was on public view. Congressmember McKinney addressed the incident in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Monday.

* Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN, April 3, 2006.

Today is the 38th anniversary of the assassination of Coretta Scott King's husband, Dr. Martin Luther King. We speak with one of those State Legislators denied entry to see the body of Coretta Scott King at the Georgia Capital. "Able" Mable Thomas is a Georgia State Representative.

* Rep. "Able" Mable Thomas, Georgia State Representative.

REP. SHEILA JACKSON LEE: First of all, I think all of us, including Congresswoman McKinney, respect the Capitol police and respect them for their responsibility and their job. But I believe that she is quite accurate in the fact that there are very few of us who happen to be African American women, and there are very few of us who would be so, if you will, difficult to be remembered, if you will, or to be able to be noticed. And frankly, many of us get either confused or asked for our I.D. or treated in a manner that is not necessarily accepting. And in this incident it was unfortunate.

But it is the role of the Capitol police, whom we respect, to basically know the members of the United States Congress.

And if you are rushing toward a vote, a House vote -- and I think people should understand we have 15 minutes to cast a vote no matter where you might be in the entire capital of Washington, D.C. You might be in meetings off the Hill. You still have 15 minutes to vote. It's very difficult then to be stopped, while the clock is ticking, for to you cast your vote.

AMY GOODMAN: Has this ever happened to you, where you were not recognized?

REP. SHEILA JACKSON LEE: Oh, on several occasions. And, of course, you have to suffer the indignity and sometimes handle it in a way that you don't care to handle it, because of the fact that you believe that you've served in the United States Congress and that you should be identifiable.

<snip>

But I think cooler heads can address this question in a way other than the criminal justice system of issuing an arrest warrant for a member of the United States Congress, who was within her right to be in the building and was within her right to be rushing toward the House floor to vote, as I understand the facts, and certainly should have had the courtesies of the Capitol police, as we should extend courtesies. So why can't this be resolved, where we learn who each other happens to be and we improve the picture book, if you will, and the training, so that we all can be fully identified.

There is no requirement, by the way, for any member to have an I.D. We do have them. But we may have been rushing from somewhere and not carrying the I.D., and there is no requirement for us to have a pin, which is our identifying pin, which I happen to be wearing at this time. But there is no requirement, as a understand it, for members to have that at this time.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/04/1419259

[dchill]

132. Uh, as a Member of Congress...

she does indeed deserve special treatment. And NOT of the kind that she received.

[Catrina]

163. Thousands of black people were killed last year, some of them by

cops, others we got to watch drown, live on TV, remember that? But what does all this have to do with a cop not doing his job properly and mistreating a US Congresswoman?

[TankLV]

200. Just join up to give us these bonmots!

Hmmm...

Enjoy your short stay here...

[dogday]

56. Protocol is when someone breaks the law, you

arrest them.. Either they need to arrest her or shut up about all of this....

[uggieheart]

64. Yes

Surely they've had time to interview her, any witnesses, and see the tape...

[dogday]

66. If she hit this policeman, on the spot it was either assalt

or not... Are they waiting for the instant replay??? This reeks.....

[uggieheart]

73. I DO think they're dragging it out.

[uggieheart]

76. Why can't...

...the policeman just say he should study face recognition of members more, and Cynthia just say she was startled...?

[MaraJade]

186. Actually

about 12-14 years ago something like this DID happen to Condi. It was during the first Bush Adm when she
was a National Security Advisor. Apparently she was called to a meeting and upon arrival, she was denied
entry because

GASP


None of the Capitol Police knew her face.


I am trying to find the article that backs this story. I believe it was in USA Today, but I'm not sure.


Does anyone else remember this?

[bpilgrim]

27. well

1. the police are going after her and the officer sounds like a noobie to me.
2. the police don't need to assault ANYONE when trying to identify them.

the POLICE STATE must be challenged & dismantled.

peace

[uggieheart]

33. He TAPPED her on the shoulder.

There was no assault and you know it.

[bpilgrim]

36. I'll take Cynthia's word over a cops who story changes daily, thank you

he assaulted her because he's either a noobie or incompetent.

peace

[uggieheart]

46. No--REPORTER'S stories change everyday.

[bpilgrim]

62. and who do you think their sources are?

again, do you know this officer :shrug:

peace

[uggieheart]

72. Again...

I know the officer as well as you do.

[bpilgrim]

74. so you don't know him at all. again...

so why are you gonna through a dem congress woman, an american HERO, under the bus :shrug:

peace

[uggieheart]

75. ...only as well as you all do.....

[bpilgrim]

77. you allready said that... why are you throwing cynthia under the bus then?

:shrug:

peace

[uggieheart]

106. Cynthia has crawled under the bus all on her own.....

And she dragged a common workaday policeman there for simply trying to protect her and everyone else. That's not fair and you know it.

[bpilgrim]

122. bullshit

per usual

peace

[TankLV]

201. A PIG if ever there was one in this instance.

And a RACIST one too.

I'll take Cynthia's word on this one - she's been proven RIGHT on every other goddamned repuke inspired "scandal" so far!

[ShortnFiery]

40. Whaaaa?

Where did you get that crap from? The Drudge Report or the bulk email Daily Republican Talking Points a la Rove-Co?

[Karmakaze]

152. And she tapped him on the chest...

Sounds like an open AND SHUT - case no assault all round, just a simple misunderstanding. So why are the Capitol Police making such a big deal about it?

[pocket]

31. screw his career, he is a bad cop

He should never wear a badge again!

The next innocent black person he grabs might now have the power to fight back like Cynthia does.

[uggieheart]

34. Nonsense

She doesn't have the right to ruin his career just to make some political trouble.

[pocket]

38. He made his own trouble by harrassing an innocent black woman

He should be off the force and maybe face charges.

[uggieheart]

57. You guys ever stop to think he could be a Democrat?

You can't assume he is Repub--she could be hurting one of our own.

[bpilgrim]

39. do you know this person?

how do you know he isn't a noobie or incompetent?

if you don't then why are you throwing Cynthia under the bus :shrug:

peace

[uggieheart]

48. I'm being HONEST.

And I know him as well as YOU do.

[0007]

49. Dumb cops don't have a career!

[uggieheart]

51. Then Cynthia's FATHER did not have a career.

[0007]

63. He wasn't dumb he got Cynthia though school and on to better

things, didn't he?

[uggieheart]

65. I meant HE was a policeman, so you can't say that's no career.

[0007]

80. What the fuck do you mean anyway?

I didn't say all cops were dumb, I said dumb cops have no careers.

[uggieheart]

109. I don't answer someone who speaks to me like that.

IG

[0007]

115. ....and the Scalia Salute goes to you!

[uggieheart]

118. NORE

[SeattleRob]

47. What you're saying

is pure speculation. A lot of everything being discussed on this issue is speculation. Unless she is specifically charged with something and Convicted, she is innocent. In this country we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. It seems a lot of people who have grudges against the congresswoman have their knives out.

In the meantime, I support her.

[uggieheart]

50. I have no grudge.

But I'm not going to support every single action of every single Democrat just because they ARE a Democrat.

[ShortnFiery]

54. Welcome to DU ... I think ... :-)

[uggieheart]

68. Surely we don't have to all think alike...

...speak alike, post in agreement etc.--that's a leeeeettle too goosesteppish for me..............

[stepnw1f]

85. That's Right...

I don't think like you.. nice try.

[ShortnFiery]

91. Yah, time will tell Hans! LOL

United We Stand! I know we're a large tent, but if we don't stand up for our fellow democrats NOW, we will be ruled by Republicans for another six years. :cry:

[uggieheart]

107. I can't stand up for someone JUST because...

...of their political party affliation. I have to feel they are doing the right thing. Standing up for Democrats that do the right, fair thing will ENSURE we STAY in office.

And my name isn't 'Hans' just because I have some ethics, so save it.

[TankLV]

203. I seriously doubt "you" are a "we".

But you are amusing - in a perverse way.

[SeattleRob]

95. Well

I am not saying we should support every Democratic Politician. All I am saying is it is that she is innocent until proven guilty.

[uggieheart]

108. No one is saying that about the POLICEMAN.

He's innocent until proven guilty, too.

[martymar64]

172. The Policeman is making the assertion

The burden of proof is on him. Why won't they show the tape? Maybe because it's a setup?

[Karmakaze]

151. Hold on!

"1). She is hurting a policeman's career unnecessarily;"

No, she is not doing ANYTHING but defending herself from accusations made by that policeman. The cop could just as easily have laughed it off as an unfortunate incident and not mentioned it. But he didnt. HE wanted to make a big deal out of this. So SHE is defendig herself against his accusations.

She didnt just walk up to a cop, hit him, then start badmouthing him in the press.

Finally, how can ANYONE think a LAPEL PIN is adequate ID? Shit I could get one made up for a few bucks! So if they are truly saying the lapel pin is their sole line of defense of the Captiol, then the Capitol Police commanders should be fired en masse. That is utter bullshit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. I'll stand for her because she stands for the people.

[0007]

25. Ding ding went the trolleys!

[Bushknew]

26. If anything, this officer should be fired for incompetence.

Apparently he doesn’t know what a valid congressional ID looks like.

-----------------------------
According to the sources, McKinney was walking into the building at about 2:30 p.m. EST and went around the metal detector, which is customary for lawmakers.

The police officer apparently did not recognize McKinney and asked her to stop and walk through the metal detector.

I did not have on my congressional pin but showed the police officer my congressional ID
-----------------------------

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189553,00.html

[uggieheart]

111. You have no proof he was incompetent.

[arikara]

139. You have no proof that the cop isn't either incompetent or a thug.

You are simply obsessed with making Cynthia out to be at fault. Why? The whole issue is blown way out of proportion. If it was one of the old white men, it wouldn't have happened at all. The cop would have been fired if he had ever laid a hand on a whitey like Katherine Harris as she flitted past.

It will be proven to be nothing more than a deliberate smear job. Enjoy your stay.

[Scurrilous]

28. I stand with Cynthia ...

...:thumbsup:

[flyarm]

30. i stand with Cynthia!..n/t

[deb98126]

43. Standing with my sister

As a woman of African-American descent, I can recount numerous times when a Caucasian man, who happened to be racist, has put his hands on me because he "thought" he had the right to. My cousin was arrested by a white cop for hitting a man with her shoe after he spit in her face. This kind of stuff happens all the time!

[troubleinwinter]

41. I stand with Cynthia, because she stands for me!

Ms. McKinney has shown herself to be a person of character and honor.

The officer is unknown to me... his story has changed.

Cynthia is known to be a wise and courageous TELLER OF TRUTH and SEEKER OF TRUTH for many years, and a patriot.

I take Ms. McKinney at her word, as she has an established reputation for truth.

She is also a past recipient of the 'Backbone Award'. That certainly makes her a target?!

[me b zola]

78. Beautifully stated. I also stand with Cynthia. n/t

[xchrom]

42. woo -- hoo cynthia!

[Sadie5]

58. She stands up to them

and stands against them for the good of all. That's my take on this deal.

[wurzel]

59. If McKinney was a Republican would you still stand with her?

I doubt it.

[Boredtodeath]

61. YES, YES, YES, AND YES

For one simple reason - Cynthia McKinney is representing her constituents.

Something most Democrats in DC could take lesson in from her.

[troubleinwinter]

69. It is a nonsensical question....

Ms. McKinney has shown herself to be a person of character and honor.

Cynthia has a reputation as a wise and courageous TELLER OF TRUTH and SEEKER OF TRUTH for many years.

IF one could point to a republican with these qualities, I would lend support the person in regard to the incident... but there is no such thing.

[DemonFighterLives]

150. No such thing!

Ya got me! :rofl:
I stand with Cynthia until she proves me wrong.
:dem:

[Radio_Guy]

67. Cynthia McKinney should get the next batch of roses

If there ever is another drive to send roses to someone, Cynthia McKinney gets my vote as the next recipient.

[ShortnFiery]

71. I'm there with you ... just tell me where to send the money?

[pocket]

79. if this pig gets away with assaulting Cynthia then we all lose

He needs to be fired and probably prosecuted.

[Octafish]

82. Please count me.

From what I've seen, she's one of the few brave Democrats on Capitol Hill.

[bpilgrim]

83. counted ;-)

:hi: Octafish

peace

[OutNow]

84. Hell Yes I stand with Cynthia McKinney

I was a volunteer security marshal for the big antiwar rally and march in D.C. last September 24, 2005. About 40 - 45% of the people in this country were against the Iraq war at that time - the number has grown since then to be the majority. But 40-45% is a big number. And hundreds of thousands attended the rally, maybe even 500,000. And how many members of Congress addressed this rally, spoke out clearly against Bush and the war machine, supported Cindy Sheehan and the Iraq Veterans Against the War, and called for the Troops to Come Home Now?

I think it was ........... ONE!!!!!!!! It was Cynthia McKinney. Do I support her? HELL YES I SUPPORT HER. Is there a defense committee? Where do I sign up.

Bring the Troops Home Now

[KAT119]

86. I certainly do! n/t

[Vinca]

87. I, for one, cannot support McKinney solely because she's a Democrat,

which seems to be what's happening here. The Capitol Police, which I believe is an arm of the Secret Service, aren't a bunch of ignorant yahoos. The hairdo DOES make a difference. I might not have recognized her and I'm a political junkie. McKinney is making a HUGE deal over a TINY incident. Won't it be embarrassing if video shows the cop stopping white people before McKinney? It's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy for the Democrats. At the end of the tunnel you can see a bright light where a majority could be elected in Congress and BOOM - they start doing stupid things and the voting public says "Well, maybe not." Of course there is racism in the world and I'm sure there's racism in Washington, but for Pete's sake EVERYTHING that happens isn't because of race. God help the drive-up window guy at McDonald's if he forgets her ketchup.

[bpilgrim]

90. not only that but being assaulted and smeared by a noobie cop

they are threating to investigate her now, so she is trying to get in front of the smear campaign.

fyi, race is a huge issue in america, still...

peace

[ShortnFiery]

94. Wrong ..

If our esteemed Capitol Hill Police judge people on the basis of hairstyle.

We are in a WORLD OF SHIT with regard to security operations.

This was racial profiling by a white officer who should have known better.

If hairdos count. Let's hope ole Condi doesn't decide to go natural nor that Senator Spector doesn't lose his hair again from another round of chemo-therapy.

That is the biggest crock of bullshit. I sure hope that the police are TRAINED in how to recognize differing facial characteristics of people of color. This white officer should have paid attention in those classes instead of using "a hairstyle" as an excuse to ASSAULT a congresswoman.

[Karenina]

104. Nor are you required to support anyone you simply dislike.

There are those of us who appreciate Rep. McKinney's CONSISTENT efforts to speak the truth to power. We don't support her just because she's a Democrat. We support her because she's the ONLY ONE with the moxy to REGULARLY CHALLENGE the forces driving America off the cliff to totalitarianism.

What's *really* happening here is we're seeing in Panavision and Technicolor just how many self-proclaimed liberals object to women (and especially BLACK ones) representing their interests.

"The Capitol Police, which I believe is an arm of the Secret Service, aren't a bunch of ignorant yahoos. The hairdo DOES make a difference. I might not have recognized her and I'm a political junkie."

The Capitol Police are there to PROTECT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. Cynthia McKinney is a HIGH-PROFILE member, controversial, easily recognizable and a potential target for anyone who disagrees with her. The white cop charged with PROTECTING her chose to identify with TPTB who want to silence her and used his position to ATTACK HER. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED THE MOMENT THE STORY HIT DRUDGE. Do you find it the least bit ironic that HE has yet to be publicly identified? Perhaps TPTB wish to spare him the kind of backlash Rep. McKinney experiences on a DAILY BASIS in her efforts to properly inform the American people.

It is NOT your JOB to recognize her. It IS theirs. They were hired to PROTECT HER AND HER COLLEAGUES. One would think they'd at LEAST be able to recognize her in order to fulfill their duties.

"McKinney is making a HUGE deal over a TINY incident. Won't it be embarrassing if video shows the cop stopping white people before McKinney?"

McKinney went on her way after the incident. The "GUARD" reported to a Reich-winger who reported to Drudge and the rest is history. Just to make sure the press cycles would get their unfettered run, the surveillance video has be put under lock and key. Suspicious yet? Of course not! That NEGRESS should have been wearing a PIN!!! SHE is guilty!!!

Comparing stopping generic white folks who may be just visiting for the first time in their lives with a Congersswoman who has been running that gauntlet for a DECADE works for you? :freak: BTW, lots of Congresscritters give the pin a pass. McKinney made note of the numbers of those without it on the day in question.

"EVERYTHING that happens isn't because of race. God help the drive-up window guy at McDonald's if he forgets her ketchup."

You're correct, EVERYTHING that happens isn't because of race. THIS THING happened because of the RACE AND GENDER of someone who has the temerity to expose the LIES of TPTB to the American people. It's sad how little you value her. Your loss. Your last sentence clearly shows your preference for the "uppity ****** bitch" meme.

[Vinca]

147. Wow - that's cruel.

I've been one of McKinney's biggest fans and supporters . . . until this little episode. Maybe I should go back to being an Independent. Members of the 2 parties appear to support their leadership no matter what they do. And where did that "uppity ****** bitch" thing come from? I certainly do not think anything like that. You owe me an apology.

[Karenina]

148. If this "little episode"

or my reading of your codespeak post and reaction to it are enough to shake your faith in the work Rep. McKinney has done on behalf of the American people, I would conjecture your "support" is less than solid.
Giving her the benefit of the doubt would be a better indication that you believe in her honesty and integrity.

You imply that Rep. McKinney, in your view, may likely mistreat service personnel over a small infraction. Where did THAT come from? :shrug: You owe yourself a bit more introspection on what unconscious factors colour your views.

[Vinca]

160. Did I just drop into the Free Republic by mistake?

No room for differing opinions here. Those of us who think she's blowing the incident out of proportion must be disloyal to the party. Is that it? Or do we just hate America? Those of us who think her appearance changed so drastically the cop might not have recognized her - especially without her ID on - must be nuts. This is my last post on the subject. In the grand scheme of things, it has zero importance. It wasn't race related, it was extreme makeover related.

[question everything]

188. Bravo! Unfortunately, happens too often on DU

Everyone who is not 100% behind a certain person, or 100% against another, is a troll, a right-winger, an impostor, etc.

[Hobarticus]

196. Why do you hate DU, and DU's America®?

Holy cow, didn't expect this today, didja?

[DrGonzoLives]

161. Oh, horseshit

What's *really* happening here is we're seeing in Panavision and Technicolor just how many self-proclaimed liberals object to women (and especially BLACK ones) representing their interests.

I have fucking had it with this. I fucking had it with "If you don't agree with me, you're sexist/racist."

Prove it. Prove that this happened BECAUSE of the race and gender of the one involved. Speculation is not evidence, evidence is.

[nicknameless]

211. Thank you for posting that.

:thumbsup:

[Karenina]

224. And thank YOU for

reading and understanding what I wrote in the Spirit in which it was intended.

Rep. McKinney is the canary in the coal mine. Racism and sexism (inluding homophobia) are the issues with which America has SEVERE and DEBILITATING problems. Until American citizens are able to discuss them and excise the cancer of denial, EVERYONE will continue to suffer.

RACISM fuels almost EVERYTHING in American politics; the devastation of Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Katrina, the ports deal, the immigration "crisis" and PREVENTS folks from seeing clearly WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The world is in the throes of a "to the death" class struggle. Racism simply facilitates the manipulations of the ruling "elites." Ms. McKinney has weighed in heavily on the "funny money" deals and busts them WIDE OPEN with regularity. Those upon whose corrupt dealings she's shone light wish she would sit down and shut up. Those in her party who themselves are on the gravy train wish she would sit down and shut up. Those upon whose nerves she grates for being an "uppity black woman" wish she would sit down and shut up. And today we witness them ALL joining forces to try to make her sit down and shut up, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If the campaign is successful, it will be America's richly deserved loss.

BTW, I was informed by another poster that Ms. McKinney "admitted" on CNN that she heard the cop, was aware that it was SHE who was being addressed and simply refused to stop. Can anyone who saw it provide me with a link? I would deeply appreciate the effort.

[uggieheart]

112. Great post--you're reasonable and fair.

Didn't realize I'd have to read so far down the page to find some like that...

[Karmakaze]

154. You have got that SO wrong!

"McKinney is making a HUGE deal over a TINY incident."

I didnt see McKinney running to the press about an assault on her, I saw the Capitol Police and Republicans running to the press claiming she had assaulted a cop! She is not the one making the big deal out of this! The Capitol Police are the ones trying to turn a misunderstanding - that could have been ignored with a few apologies all round - into a criminal case!

They are trying to destroy HER career. She is defending herself. She may be wrong about the cop being racist or whatever, but that doesnt change the fact that that cop and his superiors have turned a minor incident into a major "scandal".

[martymar64]

173. But this is about race

This is America, home of slavery and the lynch mob and Jim Crow and the KKK.
If it was such a tiny deal, why doesn't the cop just drop it?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. Overall As A Congresswoman? Yes. In Regards To This Incident? No.

After watching her on Wolf Blitzer I now have an almost firm opinion of the incident. I believe she did strike him, that she did it with intent, that she was frustrated because she felt she was being discriminated against and that she knew exactly what she was doing. The only questions I have open is whether or not the officer was in fact using racial profiling, or if he simply just didn't recognize her and was doing his job. I'm not going to just jump to the conclusion that he was acting in a racist fashion, as that is quite a serious charge. I won't, however, rule it out either.

Now having that said, though she did it and did it with intention, I'm not going to say that she doesn't have a right to be frustrated with the prevalence of racism around the country. I could understand why she'd be set off. Though I think it's honorable to stand up and fight in such ways, when one does they must also be willing to accept the consequences, such as potential arrest. All in all I'm not necessarily against what she did, especially since awareness to racism is so important, but I don't agree with the two press conferences and tone of provocation that seems to be there as well. My issue is that there are plenty of reasons to believe this was innocent on the officer's part and not racism, even while there are also plenty to believe it was. But we don't know. When charges this severe are made and multiple press conferences are held to push those charges, I think there should be a hell of a lot more persuasive evidence to backup those charges. I think there were better ways to have handled this. Regardless though, she is an awesome congresswoman and has done some amazing things. This incident doesn't tarnish her image to me at all, and it shouldn't really be tarnished to anybody. It was simply a mistake in my opinion, and we all make them. But I'm still going to be objective with the incident and call it like I see it, as I thrive on being objective and casting opinions with integrity, even if they aren't popular or if they are against someone on my side.

[bpilgrim]

92. she was assaulted, smeared & now threatened with arrest by a noobie cop

and you don't support her on this?

did she say she hit him or brushed his arm off hers?

who gotta transcript :shrug:

peace

[ShortnFiery]

93. Oh just STOP ...

You are spewing all right wing propaganda.

Oh awe, let's all understand that this poor little black bitch is frustrated and thinks she has a right to show her badge without an officer grabbing her from behind FOR NO REASON. He should have studied the facial characteristics of races other than himself. Was he asleep in that class or was recognition only taught on the basis of hairstyle?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

100. Ain't Gonna Happen, Sorry.

And enough with the pathetic "if you don't agree with the group think you are spewing rw propaganda" crap already, as it really gets way too overused and is really getting old.

I see you have your opinion on the incident. She's a tremendous congresswoman who has endured much and has been strong, courageous and steadfast in her demeanor. I find it very easy to see why so many would defend her so strongly with this, and I will defend her strongly as well if anybody said for a second that this incident somehow diminishes all the amazing things she's done and will continue to do, as it doesn't. But we all make mistakes, have regrets or have situations we could've handled better at one point or another. She's human too and prone to an error here or there as much as anybody, and to claim otherwise or refuse to be open-minded enough for a second to consider she made a mistake, is far more a right wingish concept than having the integrity and objectivity to apply basic principles to someone regardless of political affiliation. I'm sure we won't see eye to eye on this and that's just fine, as I don't expect everyone to group think like me. But I stand where I stand.

[Tsiyu]

143. What else is new?

Some people NEVER stop spewing it.

Thanks for having Cynthia's back :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

96. I doubt seriously that ANY OTHER Capitol Police Officers have

Assaulted a dignitary from behind. Racial Profiling - he was certain that she was of no importance to the political world. He was WRONG!

[Jigarotta]

97. I did not falter one inch through all this nonsense.

I stand by her and proud too. She's a gorgeous and strong willed person - no wonder she frightens so many.

[Generic Other]

98. Feel the Hate!

Stand anywhere near Cynthia McKinney and you can feel the waves of animosity directed at her from so many on the right and on the left. That makes me curious about the naysayers' underlying motives.

I stand by her. She is being singled out because she doesn't fit the "profile" some cops have about who does or doesn't belong in the building. And the real issue is whether a cop has any right to treat anyone Congresswoman or ordinary citizen discourteously simply for walking around the metal detectors, especially if this action is standard operating procedure for members of Congress.

It's happened four times to McKinney. This is NOT just a simple error. It is a pattern of harassment whether conscious or unconscious on the part of overzealous police.

[kiteinthewind]

101. I agree. "Pattern" is the key word.

[nicknameless]

212. Exactly.

[SPKrazy]

103. Hero? n/t

[bpilgrim]

105. yes, american hero

peace

[SPKrazy]

116. Heroes Usually Are Known For Saving Lives, Or For Standing Up

to oppressors.

All I know is that she has stood on the house floor and said things that were popular with her constituents and the left (of which I am a member as well don't forget as you fire up your flamethrower) about Bush and 9/11.

I really haven't seen or heard anything that I felt was heroic.

I will gladly stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.

But I won't accept being flamed for not jumping on the wagon without something to jump on after.

[bpilgrim]

120. standing up to the rw, in our names, is standing up to oppressors

and heroic to many folks. :hi:

peace

[SPKrazy]

124. Peace

I don't feel like she's helped any.

Can you tell me how she has helped the progressive cause, besides being a "mouth"

She doesn't seem to have much credibility outside of people who seem to think she hung the moon.

[bpilgrim]

126. she has stood up to the bush crime family on many occasions

and is on record speaking truth2power.

fyi: she has tons of cred on DU, did you see the poll results and notice she is an elected official?

peace

[SPKrazy]

127. FYI She Has "Tons Of Cred On DU"

and that is the epitome of it all?

I just don't see her having spoken as having had any effect.

Except maybe on DU.

I tend to think she is a grandstander who is playing to her base.

[bpilgrim]

128. and she is an elected rep - so it goes beyond DU

think of her what you will, but she is a hero to those paying attention i.e. DU

peace

[SPKrazy]

130. I Pay A Lot Of Attention

And she's no hero to me

you haven't given me anything to change my mind

of course you may not care what I think

but I don't think she's a hero

[bpilgrim]

131. doesn't sound like it...

you said that people who stand up to oppressors are hero's in your opinion, well that is exactly what she has and continues to do.

here is a good place to start...
Cynthia McKinney - My Hero
by Cronus Protagonist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2549606

compare her to our pink-tutu Dem's and it is a stark contrast.

peace

[SPKrazy]

133. Okay, We'll Agree To Disagree

she's your hero

she's not mine

just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't pay attention, I take offense to that condescending tone that goes with that statement

so we don't agree

we're both Dems, right?

I'm a progressive, you are too I presume

It's now time for the Daily Show, which is much more important to me than this discussion.

So go defend McKinney, me, I'll wait for the evidence to be produced.

And I'll let you call her a hero, and I'll reserve my hero label to someone who I believe helps the progressive cause

[bpilgrim]

134. i answered your question, even used your standard

which apparently doesn't work for her for some reason and you refuse to give a progressive rep the benefit of your doubt... with friends like that who needs enemies?

enjoy the show :hi:

peace

[SPKrazy]

176. "Refuse to give a progressive rep the benefit of your doubt"

Now, that's quite a mouthful to say

I believe that this is DU, not some other forum. I support Democrats. I support progressives.

I don't like McKinney, and I don't think she's such a great progressive.

Yeah she spoke up about Bush and 9/11 and bin Laden.

She was grandstanding.

I don't really for a moment believe she means it.

Of course, I'm pretty cynical, and tend to think that most, if not all, politicians are just in it for the money and power.

Having had a uncle in law who was first a democratic congressman, ran for governor and lost, then ran again as an "independent" supporting Perot, and lost again (and credibility) he was schmoozed by the republican governor and talked into running for congress as a repuke, and he did it.

Now I had taken this man to be a down to earth man who wasn't just in it for the money, etc.

Turns out, he did enough more time in congress to be able to collect full pension, then quit.

now he is quite wealthy, a registered lobbiest, and very hard to be around at all.

So, I have reason to think that congress takes people and makes them worse than they were before.

I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended for congress to be a career.

And I am suspect of anything a politician does that gets them attention in the media.

But I am also a pragmatist, and progressive Dems tend to vote the way I like. That would be my only level of support for McKinney.

Since I don't know the facts of the possible case that the Fed prosecutor is looking at, it makes it really hard to not look askance at those who are rushing to either defend CM, or attack her.

I'll wait to see what all comes out in the wash. Either there is something there, or there isn't.

[bpilgrim]

182. 'I don't like McKinney' - no kidding

I stand with McKinney.

peace

[SPKrazy]

225. Be Sure Not To Lock Your Knees

when you are standing with McKinney

You may be there a while and if you lock your knees and stand too long you might pass out.


peace back at ya

[bigwillq]

110. I support her.

I think she does some very good things.

[uggieheart]

113. You think the policeman WANTED this?

You think it was to his advantage to mix it up like this? You think HE was in a power position here? You think he could've gotten anything good out of this incident? Good Gawd, no! Only Cynthia was in a one-up position who could make P L E N T Y of hash about it. He sure as HELL did NOT do this on purpose, or 'assault' her. The idea he would is ridiculous.

[Generic Other]

119. He was in a position of power right up until he found out who she was

When she was an ordinary black woman, she was a suspect and any action justified, but when he found out she was not just a nobody, he started embellishing the "assault" story to justify his actions.

When women get raped, the juries usually like to see some blood and bruises as proof of "assault." That cop got any bruises?

[bpilgrim]

121. You think Cynthia WANTED this?

being assaulted, smeared and threatened?

hell no!

peace

[rman]

146. His bosses are in a power position

Why do you think there could only be a personal advantage for the officer?

[martymar64]

174. But he did

Maybe she just didn't know her place?

[TankLV]

204. Yes, yes I do think that this swiftboating racist pig WANTED this.

HE is the one persueing this after all, not CYNTHIA.

Cynthia has moved on, whereas this PIG hasn't.

I smell repuke setup shit all over this.

I stand by Cynthia!

[sweetheart]

114. i do

Police state be buggered, more power to the free woman!

[Just Me]

117. I take a stand for McKinney 'cause she takes stands for me,...

,...all the time. I personally believe she is being subjected to an intentional assault on her character --> same ole' right-wing bullshit.

[WillyT]

123. Me Too !!! - I'm With You !

I stand with Cynthia McKinney!

:kick:

[FogerRox]

125. the I dont knows, should get their friickin head outta the sand

dumbasses,

WAKE UP

[SPKrazy]

177. On What Basis Would They Do That?

There is no evidence that has been presented.

There is only allegation (from both sides)

and from McKinney, all I've heard is her playing the race card out there.

Now if what she says is true, then it is terrible, and the officer should get at least fired.

If the officer is correct, then there should be no quarter for her just because she is a progressive.

So, on what basis would anyone say "I stand" or "I don't stand" with McKinney on this issue when there is nothing known to be fact to stand with her on.

Poll later when she is either vindicated, or charged.

And if charged, after she is either vindicated or convicted.

Yes you can have your opinion, and yes you can stand for or against her.

But really, the logical choice is "I don't know" since the truth is, I don't know.

[stepnw1f]

129. Count Me In

[bpilgrim]

135. VIDEO - some things will never change

http://www.house.gov/mckinney/ABvideo2.mov

the racism, smears & manhandling of our congress people needs to STOP, now.

peace

[ConsAreLiars]

137. She is a fighter against racism, for equality, and against the powerful.

And she has enemies as a consequence. Some here on DU choose to join forces with her enemies (and ours). What a Shame.

(edit typo)

[NaturalHigh]

138. I don't consider her an American hero...

and I don't stand with her. Pulling out the race card whenever she does something stupid doesn't make her a hero.

[me b zola]

140. The poll results reveal something ugly going on here

A very small percentage, for varying motivations, do not support the honorable Rep. McKinney. But look at all of the hate. The handful of haters post repeatedly, spewing everything from rw talking points to just plain old ignorance. The majority of DUers support and respect McKinney.

[msgadget]

141. I agree

the intensity is puzzling.

[rman]

149. A very noisy minority,

creating the impression that they are many, and creating the impression that there is division within liberal ranks.

Sounds familiar.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

153. If Thinking For Ourselves Is Ugly, Then So Be It.

Many of us that don't agree with her in this situation still support her, respect her, and think the world of all she has done and will do. Thinking she erred in this instance doesn't undermine her past, nor does it mean we have 'hate' towards her. It just means we are being objective. Lumping it all together with a 'you're either with her or against her' is just plain silly.

I, for one, have total respect for Cynthia. But I respect her right to be human and make mistakes as well.

[bpilgrim]

159. going with the FAUX NEWS SPIN -vs- supporting one of our own

is ugly

peace

[DrGonzoLives]

162. Yes, anything negative about a liberal

MUST be spin. Anything positive is the pure, unabashed truth.

[bpilgrim]

167. no, that is exactly how FAUX NEWS is spinning it

who's word are you taking FAUX NEWS or Cynthia?

I stand with Cynthia.

peace

[TankLV]

205. You're now slowy getting it.

Welcome to the 21st century!

[Balbus]

220. You just read number 5 on the DU commandment page.

[BooScout]

166. I am seeing the same thing.........

I am also seeing several people with very low post counts egging it on along with a few usual suspects thatseem to post here just to stir things up. I suspect some pot stirrers.

[nicknameless]

213. It's surprising and depressing.

[farmboxer]

142. America needs people like her.

If only the rest of our politicians would stand up for the truth like she does. I think everyone knows 9/11 was covered up and she has the guts to say so.

I also like Conyers and several others, but she is really standing up for the truth big-time, and taking a very dangerous chance. There were some in history who did the same and later became known as our heroes. I think history will treat her well.

I have a lot of respect for her. She is a "GREAT" person.

[rman]

144. Choicepoint vice-president grilled by Cynthia McKinney

Winning the Election – The Republican Way: Racism, Theft and Fraud in Florida
The Weekly Dig, Boston, MA
Tuesday, April 22, 2003
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=217&row=1

<snip>

They didn’t, because the state told them not to. Choicepoint vice-president James Lee was grilled by a Congressional committee, headed by Cynthia McKinney, and he admitted everything, but said DBT was following state directives. Florida state officials told DBT to knock off voters by incorrectly matching them with felons.

<more>

[rman]

145. Congresswoman McKinney Investigation of Bush Administration Links to 9-11

t r u t h o u t | Statement
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney

Congresswoman McKinney Presses for Investigation of Bush Administration Links to 9-11
April 12, 2002
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.13A.Extend.Probe.htm

[nicknameless]

214. Thank you for posting these, rman. (n/t)

[Brazenly Liberal]

156. I'm with Cynthia

This is what a lot of racism looks like in 2006. Not shouted slurs or refusal to hire or house, but the daily endurance of a thousand small indignities. When you've lived with it all your life, you know it when you see it. And when you object and some jerk says you're "playing the race card," you know you're seeing more of it.

Cynthia McKinney's no fool. She didn't get to be a Congresswoman by finding the lucky bottle cap. She's a smart, savvy lady who is willing to tell it like it is even when "it" is something we try to pretend doesn't exist anymore. It's easy to say she should just get past it, get over it, let it be, let it roll off, let it go, move on. It would probably be the easier thing for her to do, too. But if she's ready to take a stand and say "this is bullshit," I'm ready to stand with her.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

157. I dont stand by what she did, but I defend her against the media

besides, all people should have to go through the metal detectors, and heck, I probably would have done the same thing, doesnt make it right though

[rman]

158. But what did she do? The issue is, did she assault him, the issue is not

whether or not she did go through the metal detector.
The reason for stopping her as cited by the officer, is that he did not regcognize her as a member of congress - not that she didn't go through the metal detector.

Beyond that we do not know whether or not she "hit", "punched", "poked" the officer in such a manner that it is a violation of the law.

So how can you "not stand by what she did" if you don't know what she did - you're not believing the rumors in the RW media, are you?

[Vidar]

164. No problem. Didn't hit the cop hard enough.

[kid a]

165. side by side

[earth mom]

168. I Do! eom

[JStuart]

169. I REALLY have to stand with the capitol police...

and let me tell you why.

Many people LOOK similar to other people. How tough would it be for a criminal who looks like a congressman a little to get in the line thru security and walk around the security personnel with a cell phone stuck to his ear, wearing $2000 suit and carrying a briefcase with a machine gun inside.

Personally I think ALL congresspeople should be scanned with biometrics to enter the capitol.

[bpilgrim]

170. I don't support a police state or cops manhandling our Representatives

he could have easily have got in front of her and politely asked for her credentials.

end of story, the noobie cop over reacted at best and deliberately targeted her at worse.

peace

[question everything]

190. Agree. Just as bars and liquor stores card all customers

so that they won't be attacked for picking on some but not on others.

[TankLV]

206. Yeah - all "those" people look the same!

Where have I heard this used before, and by which type of person?

Hmmmmmmm.....

And to think you just joined up to "share" your "wisdom" on this issue.

We are all truly blessed!

[countryjake]

171. An American Hero! They will bring her down, any way they can!

I'd say she's damn lucky she wasn't shot in the back, which is how many cops handle many people in this country.

No question in my mind that this was deliberate. Just look at what a success it's been here and in the media.

They will do anything and everything to silence those of us who stand up to them. This nation has been a police state in several areas of the country for many years, already, so a bucko cop in DC isn't much of a surprise to most who live there.

[bpilgrim]

178. for the John Stewart Show...

:evilgrin:

peace

[bpilgrim]

179. Mike Malloy Stands With Cynthia!

:bounce:

peace

[tibbir]

180. I stand with Cynthia

This whole thing is a pile of crap.

[question everything]

181. No. Some perspective please

you may side with her but a hero? John Kerry is an American Hero, even John McCain.

Please do not devalue this term. It is offensive to both real heroes, like Kerry and to her.

[bpilgrim]

183. she stands up to WAR CRIMINALS Daily

kerry & mccain run away...

more...
Cynthia McKinney - My Hero
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2549606&mesg_id=2549606

peace

[Hobarticus]

191. Thanks for cutting through the jingoistic crap...

I thought DU had completely lost its mind.

[Cocoa]

184. not nearly enough "i don't knows"

which none of us does.

[bpilgrim]

185. if you heard what Cynthia said and how the story keeps changing from the

not to mention the history of harassment you have more than enough info to make up your mind who you are gonna stand with.

peace

[Cocoa]

187. I heard what she said

and I know the history of harrassment, but I still don't know what happened.

[bpilgrim]

189. right now it's he said she said... so I stand with Cynthia! n/t

peace

[Guaranteed]

210. Boom.

You said it.

[Hobarticus]

192. I don't know enough about this, but I know enough not to call her a "hero"

I'm sure she's a fine legislator, but a hero?

We're not that desperate for heroes, are we?

[bpilgrim]

193. i consider folks who speak TRUTH2POWER & who stand up to oppressors HERO'S

obviously a FEW have a different standard but MANY others have the same.

Cynthia McKinney - My Hero
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2549606&mesg_id=2549606

peace

[Hobarticus]

194. If I get pulled over for speeding, I get a street named after me?

SWEET! This "hero" business ROCKS!!!

[bpilgrim]

195. nevermind

peace

[Demit]

222. Actually, I think we are quite desperate for heroes, in these times. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

197. After reading this thread (yes, all of it), I think I know what happened.

Rep. McKinney, AN AMERICAN HERO, was simultaneously TAPPED, GRABBED FROM BEHIND, MANHANDLED, and THROWN UNDER THE BUS. Being the fighter she is, she CRAWLED OUT FROM UNDER THE BUS and proceeded to TAP, POKE, HIT, and PUNCH the offending cop who didn't recognize her because

1. She wasn't wearing her pin,
2. She didn't stop when challenged,
3. She was talking on her cell phone at the time and didn't hear him,
4. She's black,
5. She's a woman,
6. She's a Democrat,
7. She recently got a new hairdo (it looks good on her), and/or
8. He was overcome with lust and wanted her phone number (I made that one up).

(Aside: It's a wonder either of them are still standing after all this violence.)

Anyway, as a result, they're both harrassing each other, he's in danger of losing his job, she's being swiftboated, and both of them are providing lots of material for The Daily Show. Around here, everyone is either (1) overreacting, (2) a troll, (3) FOR us, or (4) AGAINST us.

I think that sums it up. I want to see The Tape. Sounds like a bigger battle than in Rocky IV.

(On edit: And this is my first, last, and only word on the whole thing.)

[rman]

202. to add: ID is not mandatory, ID pin or otherwise

The security personnel is supposed to recognize Congress people on sight.
There are only 17 black congress women.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/04/1419259

[Peter Frank]

198. I Don't Know...

Innocent until proved guilty.

I completely love her spirit; but it would be a shame if an impulsive reaction results in the loss of a Dem. seat in this crucial midterm election -- not to mention that McKinney is one of a handful of Congressmen willing to say what genuinely needs said.

I stand with Cynthia's spirit. But if she hit the cop -- I don't stand by her choice.

(If this is the case) Given the same choice, Martin would have known better. He would have known that by making public his resisting the urge to forcefully retaliate -- he would expose the injustice.

[TankLV]

199. I do - PROUDLY!

I am truly disgusted with some usual DU posters.

[Peter Frank]

209. I Understand Her Indignance...

...but what about her need to protect her place in Congress? What if she looses her seat because she lost her shit?

What if the Reps win Congress by one seat (hers) in Nov.?

That doesn't seem responsible to me. Like I said -- I understand the indignity she must have felt; but what about her responsibility to the larger picture?

[Guaranteed]

207. Nice. Without even knowing what happened.

Reminds me of those polls that CNN puts up...."Did so and so do such and such?"

I don't know. CNN's supposed to be the one reporting the news, not me.

If McKinney hit a cop without just cause and due respect to the officer, I can't support that.

If the cop did something serious enough to expect a strong physical reaction from her, I support her very strongly.

But, guess what? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

ALL of you who are making judgments based on anything OTHER than EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED are DEAD FUCKING to rights WRONG. 100%. Period.

THAT is ignorance.

In other words, the correct answer to this question is I DON'T KNOW.

[AtomicKitten]

208. On this point, she isn't right.

Security is the #1 issue today. Al Gore submitted to airport searches without demanding special treatment or bitching about it.

Ms. McKinney was asked to stop for ID and refused (and if she really hit the cop, it is worse).

One can support her politics without supporting this behavior.

Apparently Jon Stewart agrees with me, even if most of you don't.

[mondo joe]

216. I have little use for hero worship or blind faith.

I am grateful to Cynthia McKinney for the good things she has done, and the good I believe she will continue to do.

Not enough is known about this incident to draw a solid conclusion. My impression, however, is that it was a minor incident that is being exploited by the right, by the media, and by McKinney herself. And each party, McKinney included, bears some responsibility for what happened.

Even good people make mistakes. Acknowledging those mistakes isn't abandoning the people who make them, and it isn't "throwing them under the bus".

We should acknowledge mistakes when they happen, hold people accountable - including our own, and do better next time.

[greyl]

223. Refreshingly sensible assessment. I agree. :) nt

[rman]

227. "stand with" does not equal "hero worship or blind faith"

So what's your point?

Do you think McKinney should no longer be supported?

[Freddie Stubbs]

217. So far, not one single Democratic member of Congress is defending her

Not even the Congressional Black Caucus.

[jukes]

221. so, there are either

92 idiots that can't see this is a setup OR

92 moles wasting our time OR

a combination of people 92 w/o conviction & moles.

[rman]

229. i think it's a combination

but what do i know

[ghostsofgiants]

226. If Cynthia McKinney is such an American hero...

Why the hell doesn't she have an action figure in the G.I. Joe line? Huh?

[name not needed]

228. GI Joe is RACIST

[OzarkDem]

230. I do

until I have some solid proof she did something wrong, I support her. If she were a man, it would be a completely different situation.

[Geek_Girl]

231. I'm not really sure of all of the facts

But if what she says is true then I support her 100%. If a cop groped me I'd slap him just like I would any other man.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

232. I do. With pride.

[KoKo]

233. What's interesting with your Poll is that that McKinney Support far

outweighs the vocal opponents who have posted so much here on DU.

I'm starting to wonder if there's a "Liberal Silent Majority" who is so afraid to speak up they wait for polls? I can't blame them because it's "intimidating" to go against what's "perceived to be a mainstream" at any time in our history.

I've kind of always admired the Revolutionary types like Paul Revere...and there's a later part of my heart who goes with Thoreau who had to go "back to the wilderness" like Christ with his 40 days...to get "back in tune with nature" to come out and be a better man who could "speak out."

Hero's of our AMERICAN PAST...we maybe need to go back and "re-read." And for extra measure...check out the "Salem Witch Trials" to see what our country has been dealing with since it's founding.

Somehow the "Bad Stuff" always finds a way to REPEAT!!!!

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

234. Why, it's almost like someone would want to influence Democratic opinion..

by over-representing a view on the biggest Democratic blogs.

Now, who would want to do that... :think:

[Karenina]

235. Bpilgrim, the OP

has been tombstoned. Cynthia McKinney may soon follow. All the best to you America.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

236. Please help me out with this thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=854182&mesg_id=854182

[Zhade]

237. I do.

NT!