Does this more-or-less sum up the Cynthia McKinney non-issue?

[BlooInBloo]

(1) Could she have acted more appropriately? Certainly.

(2) Is the reaction of the Cap Hill police out of proportion? Certainly.

(3) Is race and/or gender an issue? Jury's out, but quite possible.

(4) Is this largely being driven by republicans behind the scene? Jury's out, but it's hard to imagine otherwise.


Would this get broad DU agreement?

[ShortnFiery]

1. No, this is an incidence of Racial Profiling ...

The Capitol Hill Police are being used by the Rove-Co Power mongers. Hell, no surprise every other entity of our government is seemingly OWNED by either the Multi-National Corporations or Ken Melhman's Republican "dirty tricks" cronies.

No, I'm sorry, but IMO this is a highly orchestrated campaign to not only keep people of color and women IN THEIR PLACE, but also to scare the American Sheeple some more.

Even if it amounts to nothing, the fact that the Right Wing Rove-Co. operatives were able to drag this out speaks volumes.

If we don't stand up for this brave congresswoman 100%, our asses may be on the line in years to come.

Dammit People! Be an American Patriot and support Congresswoman McKinney!

Otherwise we will all have to succumb to being "good Germans" ruled by Rove-Co. and the Corporate Media.

We must stand strong. We must stand together and speak with one voice: Racial Profiling!

[BlooInBloo]

6. lol - I assume you mean "No Racial Profiling!" ?

[ShortnFiery]

8. If you won't stand with us, then kindly get out of our way?

[BlooInBloo]

15. Doh - only meant a lil humor in it all....

... I'm on her side in all of this...

If that ain't good enough tho, you can walk the fuck around me.

[rinsd]

97. Wit us or agin us......the laugh line that keeps on giving!

I love to see liberals act absolutist.

The poster made a brief joke from your unintentionally humoruously phrased rallying call. Relax.

[mom cat]

9. Support Cynthia McKinney at this link:

http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/donations.html

[cali]

21. Is there any evidence

for asserting that the Capitol Hill Police are being used by Rove-co? Any evidence that the incident was planned? It seems unlikely. Telling people that unless their on your side- and that's clearly what you're doing- they're supporting the forces of evil is absurd and offensive. I'm with those that prefer to withold judgement until I know more. Yes, my tendency is to side with Congresswoman McKinney, but I'm not privy to the facts, so I prefer to wait. That doesn't make me disloyal to the liberal cause.

[radio4progressives]

41. It's even more serious than Racial Profiling - She's the Strongest MIHOP

Rep in Congress and she makes sure questions pertaining to certain standing down orders are asked and placed into the record - even if she doesn't get the answers.

She's been targetted by the MIHOP Cabal since 2002.. that's why she lost in 2002. and they hate that she managed to get re-elected.

given elections fraud, i'm somewhat surprised they let her win.

[Fridays Child]

2. It's got the stink of GOP all over it.

[baldguy]

96. bingo

McKinney isn't cooperative with the House power structure.

[guinivere]

3. Sticking my neck out here

and I'm going to agree with Bloo's assessment.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Kinda breezy out here isn't it? (grin)

[guinivere]

14. lol! It sure is. nt

[DELUSIONAL]

5. GOP can't find really bad dems so they've got to make a non-issue

up.

If we saw ALL the video -- and knew more about this white male cop who assaulted McKinney -- plus the video showing the behavior of the GOP Congressional males it would be very eye opening.

There aren't a whole lot of black congress women -- so my guess is that this was a set up.

McKinney is from CatWoman's district -- I stand with CatWoman & McKinney on this issue.

[ShortnFiery]

7. For those who are not willing to join us ...

Make sure to press your BROWN-SHIRTS and practice subjugating to every single authority figure you encounter each and every day in the future.

Learn to Love Big Brother ... but I'd rather you'd stand with us lest we all fall to this budding totalitarian government?

[cali]

12. It's just flat wrong

to accuse other DUers of being Nazis or sympathizers with bushco. There's nothing particularly incendiary about the posts you found objectionable.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Me wondereth if the gentle short one doth protest too much...

[SPKrazy]

55. Could Be

Rovian tactics are often to create dissention and confuse the emotions in the enemy camp

[pinto]

27. I don't see a difference of opinion implying acquiescence to any

ideology.

[mondo joe]

32. You don't have that many posts, so you might not know that it's

not okay to imply other posts are Nazis just because they disagree with you.

[blondeatlast]

61. I'll pick my own battles against the Reich Wing, thank you.

I see plenty more important issues to deal with than this one.

If that makes me a brownshirter, well, we'll see each other in Gitmo, then, I guess.

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. Absolutely Rational Assessment.

My only tweaking would be to number 4, where I think Cynthia herself is doing quite her share as well as well as the MSM.

[BlooInBloo]

20. On (4) I really meant...

republicans driving the *criminal prosecution* of this "offense" - not the whole public flap itself...

Coulda been clearer I guess...

I'm gonna bitchslap the first republican I hear utter the words "rule of law" in reference to this "case", just btw.

[SPKrazy]

11. Perhaps It Is Identitification That Really Is At Issue?

before



after



I heard Ms. McKinney playing the race card in her press conference and that really turned me off to "standing behind her"

[ShortnFiery]

13. Any African American would recognize her ...

Facial characteristics are the same!

IDing someone on the basis of hairstyle is absurd.

BTW you must NOT be a person of color? It's been studied and accepted in Social Science Circles that we more readily discern between members of OUR own race.

Before I lived in Japan for three years, I too shamefully thought "they (the Japanese people) all sort of look alike" but I learned differently.

Capitol Hill Police are TRAINED in FACIAL RECOGNITION, not hairstyle stereotyping.

For heavens sake, that's the one talking point (the hairstyle change) that is truly a crock of bullshit. :puke:

[SPKrazy]

18. I Am A Person Of Color

My color is pink thank you very much


I think that all of this defense of her when we don't know the facts is just as bad as those who say she is guilty.

I don't know, Do You?


and thank you for your kind comments and puking on my fucking post.

[ShortnFiery]

22. The notion is putrid, I did not disrespect your person ...

And yes, those of us NOT from the African American RACE must make an extra effort to recognize their distinguishing facial characteristics in order to make positive identifications.

Because I know the Capitol Hill Police are trained in IDENTIFICATION methods, this officer must have flunked that class or was to lackadaisical when performing his job. There are countless people of color who are dignitaries in addition to congress.

The police officer was wrong, and yes, he racially stereotyped McKinney as no one of any importance. That's precisely why he felt no qualms to assault her.

He's busted. The only question is HOW LONG the republican power mongers are going to FORCE the Capitol Hill Police to sit on this. The longer we stew the better. That way she can be fully "swift boated."

[SPKrazy]

49. You Don't Know That He "Racially Stereotyped" Her

That is your assumption.

You don't really know the facts of the case and neither do I.

So don't go telling me what is and what isn't, when you don't know any more than I.

The Federal Prosecutor now has to decide whether to pursue a case since the Capitol Hill Police turned the evidence over to the prosecutor.

Now, let's all take a deep breath and see what happens.

Let's stop attacking anyone who doesn't "stand behind McKinney"

I will give her the benefit of the doubt, the presumption of innocence.

I will also ask questions like why she didn't wear her ID pin?

And I will wait to see the FACTS unfold.

You could learn a thing or two about attacking a poster by saying what they said is a crock of bullshit.

and then showing a puking guy/gal after that.

and then try to defend yourself with:
"The notion is putrid, I did not disrespect your person"

It is just so, Rovian shall we say to try to deliberately infuse dissent

[sleipnir]

16. No, it won't get a broad agreement. BUT...

It's probably the most sane explanation of the events. I'm certainly in agreement, but like you say, "the jury's out" and I think a lot will be revealed in the next few days.

Both sides are blowing this out of proportion and now we have inherited a monster of a situation.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Oh well. It was worth a try I spose...

[ShortnFiery]

23. We live among criminals in the Right Wing Smear Campaign

If you continue to hesitate to stand up for one of your own, you may be technically right but we'll be ruled by the Right Wing Religious Nut-cases. Why? Because it's so easy to divide and conquer us.

If you won't support McKinney, then at least please don't get in our way?

What's RIGHT is toppling these evil right wing bastards.

We can't do the above when we are divided.

[BlooInBloo]

24. Maybe there would be less divisiveness....

... if you would stop calling good people nazis?

jus sayin.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Not true ... and no, I don't believe you wish to help but that is opinion.

[sleipnir]

28. Who said I didn't support McKinney?

I merely stated that she was not in the right, but neither was the officer and that both sides have blown it out of proportion.

Yes, I support her and I believe that the charges will eventually be dropped. But, from the information I have read, she did not act in a useful way when talking to an officer. Even if the officer is in the wrong, being polite goes extremely far. Being curt only serves to anger the officer and if said officer is already acting inappropriate, then you are only compounding the situation.

Like it or not, the officer is in command of the situation until you get to court. McKinney is able to present her facts at court and I'm sure the whole thing will be dismissed, but that's how the system works if you aggressively take a position against an officer without proper identification.

If you don't have ID, there are procedures that must be followed and they do cost time. But, that is the price for not having an ID. I have to have an ID at all times with my work and if I forget it, then yes, it will take 20 minutes or so to verify me and allow me to work.

I think there very likely racial overtones at work, but I'm not going to blindly jump to conclusions like so many.

[ShortnFiery]

30. In BushWorld, there is no room for nuiance ...

But going around feeling like we can do this will just strenghten the Republican Smear Machine. They love it when we must make intellectual points.

My point: We must stand by her and cease with the but buts ?

If you don't wish to stand by her, then at least clear the way, step aside while we try to kick Rove-Co ass?

It prime time for one of their "swift boating" campaigns to go sour on them.

Just allow us to do our work is all I ask ... without giving the Right Wing Fodder that we are at odds?

[cali]

34. There's evidently not

much room for nuance in shortnfiery's world either. Look, there's no way you can stifle dialogue or differing opinions on a board like DU, and trying to do so will only make it worse. You're asking people to either march in lockstep or silence themselves. Not very democratic of you.

[ShortnFiery]

40. You don't understand the Right Wing like I do ...

Keep up with the purism and see what world we live in 2 years from now?

But I do respect your search for the truth. It will be hard in the future though when we must work 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet. Then we will not have the luxury of being quite so puristic. Survival will be of more importance.

[mondo joe]

47. "You don't understand psychiatry like I do." - Tom Cruise.

If we abandon accountability before the law we might as well just become Republicans right now.

Bill Clinton taught me the hard way that even Dems, even good people, even smart people can make mistakes.

[ShortnFiery]

62. Darn if you can not help but try to smear my personal character ...

Let's call a truce ... all these person jabs (both sides) are not only distasteful but reflect poorly on two people who most like share the same values.

My difference is that I KNOW how these crazy right wing religious people think - that worries me because facts will not get in their way of smearing McKinney.

You may think because I'm for her "out of the gate" due to her past attacks, that I'm less than honest. Not true. I just want to get these evil people out of our government. If they succeed in pushing McKinney out, there will be a "hush" all over this country ... we are then lost.

Peace and, I hope, truce?

[BlooInBloo]

63. An apology to all the people you called nazis wouldn't be outta line...

... jus sayin...

[ShortnFiery]

66. Would you kindly cease? I did NOT blatantly call anyone a NAZI ...

Hey, I'm sorry that everyone did not agree with your assessment. That's why we are Democrats.

It's just that I know how dangerous these right wing extremists are and the longer this story hangs out there, the more lies they will contrive.

Also, based on the past attacks against McKinney, I'm not so, as you say "psychotic" for believing this was either planned or is being taken advantage of, i.e., they are delaying the outcome of the investigation.

Trust me on this: The right wing is DANGEROUS. We must work together. I'm sorry if I upset your sensibilities, but now, more than ever we need to WORK TOGETHER. That does not mean sacrificing the truth because, as I mentioned above, the unvarnished truth will NEVER be known if there's no video.

May Peace Be With You ... I meant no ill will. :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

67. And I quote....

"Make sure to press your BROWN-SHIRTS and practice subjugating to every single authority figure you encounter each and every day in the future."

Tell me again that's not calling everyone who disagrees with you a nazi? Please? I wanna hear you say it.

Let alone the fact that it doesn't even make sense. Look up the word "genuflect" sometime, and plug it into your incoherent nazi ascription.

[ShortnFiery]

70. That doesn't make one A NAZI, only a good German

Remember, the basically good German People had to give their kids to the Youth movement.

No, I was only suggesting that we may be forced to subjugate if the right wing gets their way in the next couple of elections.

Would you now kindly let it go? I was stating a strong opinion NOT accusing any one of these good folks of, God Forbid!, being a Nazi.

Peace!

[BlooInBloo]

73. Thank you for saying it!! ROFLMAO!!!

I had a bet going with a friend whether or not you would deny it!

Best.
Day.
Ever.

[ShortnFiery]

75. Why are you so HATEFUL toward someone who does not agree

with your analysis. That is just tragic.

I am not your enemy. This is just sad.

[tkmorris]

83. I gotta put my chips with Bloo here

Your "method" of disagreeing was deplorable. Suggesting that anyone who doesn't agree with your all or nothing approach should "iron their brown shirts" is about as offensive as you could possibly be. And yet, you try to defend this behavior and ask HIM to stop smearing YOU.

Be smart, realize your error. Bury the damned hatchet and let's move on. You're not gonna convince many people given your current course and heading, I can tell you that.

[ShortnFiery]

85. Your "method" of disagreeing was deplorable.

It's also deplorable to get one's buddies to pile on for agreement. Your digs are just as deplorable and unwarranted. After all, it's just your unconditional support of your friend's opinion. No bias there!

Hatchet buried. :hi:

[mondo joe]

86. I'm not Bloo's friend - never addressed him or her before today.

But you have a lot to learn about pluralism.

[BlooInBloo]

87. Hey! I'm a personable guy!

My mom says so!

hrmph.


LOL

[ShortnFiery]

89. Well, how bout we agree to disagree?

Or is their another part of my ass you and your buds have missed to feast upon? LOL

Peace

[ShortnFiery]

88. Sorry, but I don't agree ...

I do know about pluralism. You misunderstood and then "swift boated me". For heaven's sake look at the repeated lies. I never called anyone a Nazi.

Your buddy, oh, this person you just choose to support unconditionally, would not stop attacking me despite my requests to cease. We both know, like our dear Congresswoman McKinney, being a strong talker sometimes makes one misunderstood.

But hell, let's call it a truce? After all, in essence we are in the same Democratic Party?

[mondo joe]

90. You compared posters here to Brown Shirts all because they wanted

to wait for eviidence.

And I haven't chosen to support ANYONE unconditionally.

I suggest you try to be more accurate.

[BlooInBloo]

91. Yah, but that's not a nazi reference.

:sarcasm:

[BlooInBloo]

92. Oops - post #91 was for you - my bad.

[BlooInBloo]

93. $%#@#@%$#!!!! Post #92 was for you.

Sheesh. Think I'll just go watch the game....

[ShortnFiery]

94. Again Mondo Joe, you "swift boat me"

This is getting really stupid. I implied that we would be forced to be good Germans.

How about you just cut me some slack, I will not LIE no matter how much you choose to brow beat me.

You're one stubborn person but gee, it's about time to "let it go."

[ShortnFiery]

72. You have to get over this anger, You are putting MEANING into

my posts that were not there.

Again, if I upset your sensibilities with my strong opinion, I'm sorry, but I did NOT call anyone a Nazi ... to insist otherwise is a form of ummm.... Swift Boating! LOL <tease>

[BlooInBloo]

76. I think we've found something we can both agree on....

I won't make the mistake of ascribing meaning to your posts again.

cya

(hint: it's not an apology if you take away the admission of wrongdoing. And it IS possible to call someone a nazi without using the word "nazi". If fact you did it. You know it. Everyone else knows it. It's funny to watch you deny it tho... keep on keepin on with your bad self.)

[bemildred]

79. Actually, she did nothing of the sort.

She was suggesting we would live in a fascist regime.

[ShortnFiery]

81. You don't know me from Eve ...

But I would not wish to truly disparage anyone.

Remember all the good German people who kept thinking someone else would stop the Nazis? They got caught up in the Nazi's rule. They had to obey and be a Good German. Their children would have to be part of Hitler's Youth and wear brown shirts.

But NO. You do not believe this but I was NOT, at any point conveying that meaning, any more than the person who said those that disagreed with your analysis were "psychotic".

There's plenty of jabs and cheap shots on all sides. And yeah, I won't admit to calling folks a Nazi per se, but I might have crossed the line in my zeal. I apologize if such words were taken in that manner.

[mondo joe]

64. I never referenced your personal character.

If I have smeared you, by all means hit the ALERT button and report it.

[ShortnFiery]

68. The Tom Cruise quote comparison was not so veiled character slam ...

Hey, I have no personal disrespect for you. We flatly disagree. It's time to back off from each other and try to understand that we come to this issue with different backgrounds?

BTW, I'm not a squealer ... I try to clear the air one-on-one.

[mondo joe]

80. To the contrary. It was a comparison to your level of evidence.

Annd you request to accept on your say-so.

[ShortnFiery]

82. Sure ... please, my Momma raised me intuitive, but OK - I accept. n/t.

[sleipnir]

38. You would sacrifice the truth?

All I want is an honest investigation that takes note of the truth.

If the investigation and trial prove McKinney to be in the wrong, then so be it.

I am not willing to sacrifice objectivity and truth just to even the score with Rove. In my mind, that is the first step down a dark path that ends with the same people we are trying to fight.

Sometimes, we can be wrong. We can do wrong. It's not a crime to admit it, but it is a slippery slope to ignore blatant facts.

[ShortnFiery]

77. We will NOT EVER know the truth my dear friends ...

THE TRUTH is in the minds and hearts of Congresswoman McKinney and the Officer in question.

I'm sorry that you misunderstood my meaning, but if we continue to fight among ourselves and not understand, REGARDLESS OF THE FACTS, what is happening now is a "smear campaign" we will lose to the right wing zealots.

That was not dishonest, that is my true opinion.

[BlooInBloo]

42. Is there room for not calling good people nazis in your BushWorld?

[ShortnFiery]

71. I did not call ANYONE a Nazi, just a sheep of the youth movement

Would you back off now?

[mondo joe]

44. If I'm to be nothing but partisan and ignore laws and accountability I

might as well become a Republican.

No thank you.

[Generic Other]

48. She said she showed her ID

The incident apparently escalated after that. Once she offered legitimate ID, the officer was in the wrong to continue to harass her.

[mondo joe]

50. She said she showed ID after she was stopped.

Whether she was even wearing it is unknown. She may well have had it on, but as I read her description it's unclear.

If she hit him - and that's an IF - then she contributed to the escalation.

[the observationist]

25. Run for cover

Some of the comments about your post are borderline psychotic. It makes you want to keep posting on the DU doesn't it?

God forbid you attempt to get dialog going on this subject. Since you and I disagree that must mean you pray to a picture of GWB every night before bed.

Keep it up Bloo!!:yourock:

[BlooInBloo]

26. lol - I was just tryin to distill what I'd seen in other threads...

... I really thought there'd be a lot of agreement on my post. LOL - shows how close my finger is to the DU pulse I spose...

:)

[ShortnFiery]

33. Hold that thought , it's not universal. n/t.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Hey just because some people are not ACE spellers is ..

no reason to disrespect the thread starter. Psychotic?!? That's cruel and isn't such degratory PERSONAL NAME-CALLING against the DU rules? Oh if we all are psychotic, then all's fair. That's a wonderful right wing ploy BTW, calling your opponents unstable. Kudos!

I disagree with this person and I'd say the ARGUMENTS are full of BUNK, but I would never call the "individual" full of it.

In essence that SHOULD place us an an incremental moral level above the rabid right wing smear machine.

Edited for grammar. :hi:

[radio4progressives]

35. Hear ! Hear! eom

[mondo joe]

36. Good job of a non judgemental analysis. You have my pity.

Sometimes it really does seem no good deed goes unpunished.

[ShortnFiery]

37. Everything requires judgment calls ...

However I feel certain people are much more respected here so I'm satisfied in having my "little people's" unconnected say. Have a good one intellectuals!

[mondo joe]

39. Judgement should be based on evidence.

And in this case that's not yet possible.

[ShortnFiery]

43. Excellent point, and if there's no videotape we may never know the

real ... unvarnished truth. Very well stated.

[mondo joe]

45. There is evidennce besides video. But we still don't have it.

[BlooInBloo]

52. lol - it's my mistake I guess...

For thinking there was any agreement to be had on the matter....

but thanks!

[bemildred]

46. No.

1.) She did nothing wrong.
2.) The cop freaked out (best case), if he's not a stooge and a liar.
3.) It is a race and gender issue, and nothing else.
4.) It's an opportunistic smear, at best, and a deliberately arranged one, at worst.
5.) It's going to backfire all over them, they should have left her alone, but they are too stupid to walk away, and they never forget disobedient members of the underclasses.

[cali]

51. Sorry, you're not omnipotent.

Everything you wrote is simply opinion, like all the other posts on this matter. None of us were there. None of us have seen the videotape. You may be absolutely right or you may be dead wrong. The language your using reads like a painfully banal political rhetoric out of some handbook. And it's still just your opinion.

[ShortnFiery]

53. A lot of us share that opinion ...

And please remember folks, BushWorld creates their own reality.

Feel free to react accordingly ...

[cali]

57. So do plenty of others.

Having an opinion is fine- as long as one doesn't mistake opinion for fact.

[bemildred]

54. Yessir, but my opinions are as good as anybodies.

As long as we are shoveling vast quantities of speculation and innuendo and bullshit around, why can't I join in? I have a great imagination and vibrant feelings too.

[cali]

58. Hey, no problem

as long as we recognize that what we're expressing are opinions and not facts.

[bemildred]

59. Facts seem to be hard to come by right now.

Opinions and wild speculation and slurs and libels seem to be the game right now. That is sort of my point.

[Just Me]

60. Yeah. I agree with your assessment, bemildred.

My guess is the cop overreacted forcing Ms. Cynthia to defend herself. Meanwhile, the RW attack machine is out in full force because Ms. Cynthia refuses to back off her pursuit of truth to power and the RWers are vengeful fuckers who HATE the truth.

That's how I see it and I doubt anything will be presented that will change my mind.

[Berserker]

56. The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney

Cynthia McKinney has been down this road before. As some have said in this thread we need to know all the facts before we decide who is innocent. I am willing to say they want her out again and will not stop until they do. They were successful once before with fabricated bullshit but she was re-elected.
Read a little at this link..
http://www.alternet.org/story/16172/

[blondeatlast]

65. You've summed up my feelings on the matter admirably. Thanks

for a cogent post--and for taking the heat!

[ShortnFiery]

74. Heat, hell, I'm taking the heat. LOL

[Ksec]

69. I agree

Its trumped up by hungry repukes looking for dirt. I wouldnt be surprised if we find out this cop was a paid participant. Those capital cops KNOW every congressperson. He grabbed her and thats a no no. I wouldnt grab anyones arm. You cross a line when you lay hands on someone.

[greekspeak]

78. This is a most pathetic non-issue. With a looming Theocratic America...

we are treated to a non-issue like this in the news. It's a crappy non-issue. Are they out of good non-issues? People dying all over the gulf coast? So what? Illegal wiretapping? Whoopity-do. Illegal war in Iraq? Talk to the hand. But Cynthia McKinney? THERE IS SOME NEWS!!

[the observationist]

95. Here, Here!

It is kind of funny that the media picks this story out of all the other news stories out there. Every night on the local news the only thing they usually talk about regarding the Middle East is the number of troops killed or IEDs or car bombs that went off. There is very little substance and it is rather pathetic.

[TheBaldyMan]

84. apart from case 3 , I'd generally agree

How about adding that she has been targetted for all kinds of crap since she asked questions about 9/11 and was against the war from the outset?

I'd say that had quite a lot to do with the situation.