DU Disappoints - re: McKinney

[centristo]

We don't know all the facts yet, but right now it doesn't look so good for McKinney. From what I've read, she needs to eat crow and apologize for behaving inappropriately - EVEN IF SHE IS RIGHT.
That's called humility and is a trait I would expect from one of our nation's representatives. Given the opportunity to do so, she chose to black-ploitate the situation.

I see the same knee-jerk defensiveness for her here at DU a I did over at Free Republic about Delay. Are we no better than them? Are we so unable to differentiate between right and wrong when it comes to the actions of one of our own? Some of the defenses I see for McKinney recall her clarity of vision in the wake of 9/11. Well that has nothing AT ALL to do with this incident. Or is this another example of LIHOP? Bush lied and McKinney was denied? Or is it just possible that a guard didn't recognize a Congresswoman who had recently had a complete make-over?

Bringing race into this only furthers the cult of victimization within the african-american community and that serves no good whatsoever for anyone of any color. I have a friend at work who's ex-husband refuses to look for employment because he claims that he's been kept down by "the white man". Dude, STFU and go wait some tables. Go temp in an office. Do something. Do anything. But please, don't follow McKinney's lead.

[mattclearing]

1. What exactly do you know that she did wrong? n/t

[philosophie_en_rose]

16. She defended herself in public.

She "doesn't know her place." :eyes:


:sarcasm:

[msgadget]

35. LOL!

[BIG Sean]

103. Defending Herself?....huh?

The Police Officer was ATTACKING her by not know who she is?

Lock her ass up.

[centristo]

108. her place is in the halls of Congress

as a representative of her constituents, not on the cover of Star magazine as the next Zsa Zsa Gabor or Russel Crowe.

[grytpype]

100. If she laid a hand on a cop, that goes in the category of f*cking dumb.

And I'm sick of hearing about it too, it just gives the Repugs a chance to change the subject for a few days from their incompetence and corruption. She should just STFU.

[Hutzpa]

102. Just the same way you should, without knowing the.......

fact.



:wtf:

[Ian David]

2. She wasn't attacked for being black

She was attacked for being a christian!

Didn't you hear?

There's a war on christians!

[BurtWorm]

3. "We don't know all the facts yet"

Enough said.

[centristo]

9. we don't know all the facts about the NSA wiretaps,

the Plame leak, or Dick Cheney's Energy task force, but nobody here has any problem drawing our own conclusions over those crimes. Why do things change when a Democrat is involved? I'd just like to see no double-standards here, because I hate to see them "there" (freerepublic,etc).

[Ms. Clio]

71. Yeah, I'll just bet you do hate to see "double standards" here

We have had Congressional hearings about the NSA wiretaps, an ongoing investigation of the Plame Leak, etc. -- there is absolutely no comparison between those sitations and this BS with McKinney.

But keep digging, the hole will be the proper size and shape soon enough.

[centristo]

109. well there isn't a comparison

as far as the severity of the crime goes by any means. I am referring to people jumping to conclusions before say, classified information is made public.

But I'm obviously guilty of the same. I think she acted inappropriately based on what I've read so far.

[Catrina]

90. I don't know about you, but I don't draw conclusions, even in those

cases, without evidence. Did Bush commit a crime by breaking the FISA law? Yes, he said so himself. Now all we're trying to do is decide what happens when a president breaks the law.

This is what we found out. If it's a Republican president, Congress will change the law to protect him from prosecution. Remember they did that for Delay also, or at least the ethics rules.

If it's a Democrat, he will be impeached for lying about sex.

I could go on, like the lies about WMD. A Republican president does it, and no one dares talk about hearings.

If a Democrat did that, he'd be impeached. We already know that because Republicans told us that no man is above the law, and then went on to prove they only meant 'Democratic men and women'

So, I'm asking the same question you are, 'Why do things change when a Democrat is involved?'

[autorank]

93. "BLITZER: When did you — when did you change your hairstyle?"

I'm with Wonkette on this one.

House GOP Weighs in on McKinney Incident
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/350237.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans pushed a resolution Tuesday commending the Capitol police force for professionalism after a confrontation between an officer and Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney.

Centristo, my DU Journal is called "A Moderate Perspective" Check it out on McKinney. Maybe we're soul mates;)

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/autorank

This is a SET UP. She's getting nailed because she's bold and takes unpopular stands.

Cast your fate with the House GOP...go live in a prison for the criminally insane while you're at it.

Namaste

[Jigarotta]

104. but we Do know some Facts, now...

and that is how easily led so many are by some nonstory that benefits the very reptilian class while us peasants scrap it out with each other. What a bunch of suckers to get taken in so.

[Hutzpa]

4. ..

:popcorn:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

86. . . . .

:popcorn:

[Cocoa]

5. I disagree with most of this

the one thing I agree with is "we don't know all the facts yet."

The rest of it I don't think is justified. I think it's more about your perceptions about race than about what McKinney did. We should just stick to what McKinney did.

edit: the anecdote about your friend's ex-husband seems especially irrelevant.

[IsItJustMe]

49. Who cares. I don't know why some people are trying to make a serious case

out of this when we have serious problems to deal with.

[NaturalHigh]

6. I'm with you.

Not only is she defended for hitting a cop, she's defended for using taxpayer funds (that's our money, folks) to fly Chef to Washington. If a Republican or even a moderate Democrat had done this, the same people who are defending her would be boiling the tar.

[DBoon]

10. Not true

If the only thing Tom Delay had done was fly a celebrity using his petty cash fund, I would count us as very lucky.

On the grand scale of political scandals, this is extremely petty.

[IsItJustMe]

56. Your exactly right. These attacks on her are extremely petty and small

minded made by petty people who have small worlds of ignorance.

[Phx_Dem]

45. ditto n/t

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[centristo]

11. are you?

you got 26 posts to my 400ish.

[cali]

17. Well I have a lot more posts than you

not that that's any more meaningful than your put down of someone with fewer counts than you. I don't like the tone of your post. The phrase "cult of victimization" is particularly offensive and ugly.
Your anecdotal story is less than illuminating. You offered nothing thoughtful, just flamebait. I wish we could rate certain posts down.

[centristo]

23. ask any black person if they think there is a

"cult of victimization" within their communities and tell me what they say. If you are black, tell me your thoughts. I had a lengthy conversation with several of my black co-workers about this yesterday, and it seems to be as prevalent as it is unfortunate.

I think when we probe the roots of racism we will find a great many ugly things. In my view, there are two hands holding down black people in America, and only one of them is white. I think McKinney and many posters here would disagree with that. My anecdote was supposed to help illustrate this divide.

As for that other guy, I get offended when someone calls me a Republican. Sorry if I came off a little hot. lol.

[msgadget]

44. I disagree

There are lazy people in all cultures and to highlight those who don't take responsibility as representative of one is...reaching, to say the least. And, to compare an unaccomplished person with an accomplished one based solely on their shared race - can you even begin to see how offensive that is?

[centristo]

66. of course there are lazy people in all cultures

but it almost seems like you arguing that there are no problems within the african-american communities. Is that what you are saying?

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/04/Columns/On_campus__grim_stati.shtml

I want to find solutions to these problems just like you do. But it seems impossible to talk about them because I am not black.

[msgadget]

68. Wrong, I'm not arguing that

I'm staying on topic and since you're not it appears you're using the McKinney incident to make a point. Your race doesn't dissuade me from debating issues of race with you but your attitude does. You've made up your mind and will find links and anecdotes to support it. Nothing in any of your posts on this thread indicate a mind open enough to change.

[Katherine Brengle]

34. This is a violation of DU rules, is it not?

Not to be a narc, but come on...

[Tennessee T]

30. Posts?? Centristo?

centristo?

I do contribute to the dialog when there is something to say. Not when I just want to see my own words in print. My posts shall remain low. Republicans tend to post high because they don't know when to SHUT UP!

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Don't be disappointed, just...

accept that no side has a monopoly on truth or common sense and decency, and watch out you don't get run over by the bandwagons.

[jedicord]

12. Comparing her mistakes to DeLay's crimes...

is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

I'm not defending her, nor accusing her, since I don't know what happened.

I'm just saying - shoving a guard and milking taxpayers for personal gain are two different things.

Here's another comparison - Lying about a BJ and lying us into war.

[yurbud]

29. that was the line that shows the whole reason for this "issue"

I think people are unconsciously starting to tune out this crap as noise.

If the original poster is sincere, she is also politically tone deaf. The democrats have been apologizing and apologizing the last couple of years, and in response, they get called traitors by the GOP and locked out of the Democratic process.

We need more Democrats like McKinney who speak plainly and let the chips fall where they may, up to and including being hounded out of her seat by the right, only to win it back.

That's how democracy is supposed to work, not quietly begging for crumbs of consideration from corporate looters posing as elected officials.

[philosophie_en_rose]

13. "..cult of victimization..." = NOT following McKinney's lead.

First of all, she didn't create this media sensation. She explained her side of the story, and showed respect to the Capitol Police in her statement. Your assertion that she's just some lazy, uppity ingrate is disgusting.

Second, your "friend-at-work's-ex-husband" would be better of following McKinney's example of fighting against racist barriers, rather than resigning himself to the fact that people like you are ignorant of the effects of racism.

[mirandapriestly]

15. Thanks for the sane post

for a moment I thought I had accidently logged onto to ANOTHER discussion forum at the other end of the political spectrum

[msgadget]

22. ...

:applause:

[centristo]

42. "lazy, uppity ingrate"?

I call her nothing of the sort. The "cult of victimization" is a widely written about phenomenon within african-american communities. I'm not saying anything ground-breaking here. Debate the merits of the argument if you will, but don't put words in my mouth.

And excuse me, BUT SHE MOST CERTAINLY DID CREATE THIS MEDIA SENSATION, when she, allegedly, refused to stop for the officer and poked him with her cell phone or whatever. Had she initially handled this like someone with an ounce of class, we would be talking about Delay quitting, and not this.

[ultraist]

59. Yes, you basicially did say that

Your use of 'cult of victimization' and a dated negative stereotype of Black men, says a lot.

[melissinha]

14. possible

as for me, I really stood by her when I read that she did have her actually Congressional ID, I think the stupid little bitty pin that could easily be camouflaged by any number of floral prints should not be a reason to grab a person inapropriately.. I think this is all a non issue msotly and both parties should have apologized and thats that.

[leftstreet]

18. I didn't know the DU had an official position on McKinney

:shrug:

I challenge you to find ANY online message forum where members patiently wait for all facts and information before engaging in debate. People are conditioned by the Corporate Media to do otherwise.

[centristo]

69. haha

true enough.

[ET Awful]

19. Do the words "Innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you?

Just curious.

[timber84]

84. Sometimes posters here do not beleive in that

apparently

[msgadget]

20. See, you started off like a rational person

and then you closed with the ol' 'cult of victimization' and a positively *loverly* anecdote about a lazy black man. Tsk, tsk...

[centristo]

the point was that McKinney recent statement fosters such attitudes

I suppose I could talk about all the non-lazy black people I do work with, if that helps?

[msgadget]

58. Fosters such attitudes?

What 'attitude'? Is it an attitude that non-whites are harassed by law enforcement in higher numbers than whites? So, a public official pointing that out...what? Keeps them from accepting it?

[jsamuel]

21. We knew DeLay was sending money from Corporations out of state, then back

in. That was a fact. He was for sure guilty. (Very public and extremely important to national and TX state politics)

This is a private incident between an officer and a congresswoman and I refuse to blame either party until I know what happened. That is the way it should be.

[BlooInBloo]

24. More over-sensitive negroes, eh centristo?

It makes me giggle when white folks tell black folks what is and is not racism. And they speak with such certainty too!

Amazingly enough - they ALWAYS say it ISN'T racism. What a coincidence.

lolol

[CatWoman]

25. Bloo

wanna be my tag team partner?

:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

48. that's HOOOOTTTTT!!

:rofl:

Thought I'd be on my own again - lol - nice to have a partner!

[CatWoman]

Bloo -- check it out

:D

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x838397

[BlooInBloo]

74. funfunfun!

lol

[centristo]

53. i'm just going off the facts so far, just like everyone else

"Several police sources said the officer, who was not identified, asked her three times to stop. When she kept going, he placed a hand somewhere on her and she hit him, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002908833_mckinney04.html

[BlooInBloo]

61. Oh - well - that's different - if a white guy says race isn't a factor...

... then it MUST be true...

Damn oversensitive negroes - why don't they accept the nice white man's word for it and move on? Why do they ALWAYS have to PLAY the race card?

[DrunkenMaster]

92. hilarious

but sadly accurate.

[Ms. Clio]

64. No, you're not going off of "facts," but statements from "police sources"

and "anonymous officials." None of those sources are identified as WITNESSES. Nor has any video been provided.

[AllieB]

73. "Anonymous Officials" is the equivalent of Fox's "Some People Say"

I'm amazed that supposedly critical thinkers never question the mainstream media.

[Ms. Clio]

81. Exactly -- not a single person or witness identified in the piece

except for the alleged perpetrator. What a load of crap.

:hi:

[gasperc]

26. she sounded lame against Blitzer last night

she's better off eating a little crow, she needs to bring more to the table if she wants to make this a racial profiling thing, she sounded lame last night. This coming from a die hard liberal who's fully on board with racial profiling. The lamest thing she did last night was immediately try to dodge Blitzer's lame "did you strike an officer" question. Just tell the facts step by step and be consistent, otherwise it just looks like your try to hide something. She has to understand that the GOP will try to blow this up into some overrated Democrats are hot headed police beaters story, if her and her attorneys don't get that, well what else needs to be said.

She's brave and has stuck her neck out, questioning the details of 9/11 when no one else would and working hard to bring the issue of peak oil to the fore front.

But being brave doesn't give you a license to be stupid. Eat some crow Cynthia, tell the facts, don't try to distract the public it won't fly. The Issac Hayes story about mispending $1000 is just the beginning, the GOP will not let up, the are rats in a corner. Diffuse this for your own sake ASAP.

[msgadget]

32. You assume it's the GOP

but based on what I see here, either side could be digging into her past.

[jsamuel]

36. thanks for this post

Some good info in there.

[bigtree]

41. why should she jeopardize any defense she may have to mount

against the Capitol police? Most of the spin has come from their office. I think she should be allowed to keep her own counsel and wait to see what the cops are going to do. In the meantime, it's not imprudent for her to comment on the conduct of the officers as she expects in the future to be allowed to come and go from the place where she does the people's business without being unnecessarily accosted.

[medeak]

63. and the name dropping she did on the show

was sickening.. see post below re Rosa Parks.. how many times did she name black celebrities who were taking up her cause?

She had the most enormous smile and it was easy to see she was loving the spotlight.

I too admire her courage but agree wholeheartedly she should take some responsibility.

[centristo]

67. thank you

you said it better than i did.

[donsu]

27. baloney!

she needs to eat crow and apologize for behaving inappropriately - EVEN IF SHE IS RIGHT.
That's called humility
---------------


what bosh. the cops should be apologizing to her.

where you coming from?

[bloom]

28. It's obvious you haven't been around long.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. I wonder how many white Congress people have been manhandled?

Unless you're AA, you cannot possibly walk in their shoes. JMCPO.

[bigtree]

38. I'll bet it's happened and been violently rejected. (and shushed up)

I've seen business types physically refuse to be manhandled by security before.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Of course, if it happened to whites, it was shushed up.

This is disgusting. I cannot believe all Democrtas are not supporting this woman! It makes me sick.

[bigtree]

33. maybe all black americans who support her should apologize as well

for even hinting that race, often used as a negative factor in our lives, might have had a negative role here?

[BooScout]

37. Your last paragraph blew any argument you had on this issue...

You don't want her playing the race card? And yet you post some such a blatently race baiting remark like that?

[Ms. Clio]

39. Yes, it does disappoint

posts like this are the reason why.

[Bridget Burke]

40. Too bad we don't have a forum called "Why DU Sucks"

Those "beaten down" by DU could go there to post blanket complaints about everybody else at Democratic Underground. After all, it's easier than actually posting your opinion in the relevant threads.

Then you blame McKinney for Those Lazy N*****s. ("black-ploitate"?)

[radio4progressives]

43. This Screed is a DU Disappointment, and should be harsly rebuked.

None of us have all the facts in this particular incident, however we do have many facts of pattern, motive and yes deliberate targeting of African Americans in general, but at this particular moment, GOP attacks against Cynthia McKinney specifically.

I don't really care if Race in this case is the issue or not, I happen to know that McKinney is being targeted by White Supremacists, particularly those in power. I won't go into all of those reasons here, because I can see it would be a complete waste of my time and energy to do so in this particular thread in response to this wholly obsessive screed designed to distract and further divide.

Cynthia McKinney is hardly an issue of National Importance and making that incident as if it were one, goes more to expose ulterior motives and agenda that should be questioned (at the minimum) and harshly rebuked.

[Phx_Dem]

51. I for one want to know

"happen to know that McKinney is being targeted by White Supremacists, particularly those in power."

What is your evidence for this claim?

[AllieB]

75. Do you not agree that the ruling administration is full of racists?

Think of Florida in 2000, for example, and Ohio in 2004.

[Ms. Clio]

82. Or think Katrina!!! n/t

[Phx_Dem]

111. I am concerned with peoples' words and actions

I leave the mind reading to others.

[IsItJustMe]

47. Humility is a two way street.

[seabeyond]

50. my goodness. wouldnt you be the first to get on a dems ass for NOT

standing up. calling a dems spineless, coward, chickenshit. yet here you are suggesting, not knowing if mcckinney has anything to apologize for or not..... to apologize and be humble. should she lower her eyes too. should she say yessem masser
i want to see the vidoe. when i see the video..... and see mcckinney is at fault, then and only then will i say she needs to apologize. and get over it

[underpants]

52. Delay has to resign and you all are still talking about THIS?

I agree with you.

No wonder we can't get ON MESSAGE

[medeak]

54. hearing her compare herself to Rosa Parks

did it for me.

Agree... both sides behaved inappropriately

[stepnw1f]

55. You Already Accuse Her of Being Guilty?

Without seeing any proof? Interesting...

[flashdebadge]

57. McKinney is a hugh distraction right now. We CAN afford to discard her.

Some members of the house ON OUR SIDE on condition of anonymity have already stated that she is viewed by many as nothing more than a distraction. I read that when some of them learned of this latest flap they just rolled their eyes in utter disappointment. There are much more important topics that need our party's full attention and here rep. Mckinney is taking the focus off of those issues to put it on herself. Apologize NOW Mckinney and lets move on!

[IsItJustMe]

60. I think your buddy the police officer should be the one apologizing.

[BooScout]

65. Oh please......

It's not like the Democrats sitting in Congress have done a damned thing in the past 6 years. They sit on their asses most of the time avoiding any contraversal issue. They have no fecking guts. Mckinney has brought to the forefront the ugly subject of Racism in America.....deal with it.

[bpilgrim]

70. she is a huge distraction for the status quo & why they hate her

and why DU loves her.

peace

[donsu]

76. I don't think she is a huge distraction. and there is nothing for her to

apologize for

why don't you move on to another subject?

[Hutzpa]

98. Sure for being a black woman with a different

hair style....how dare you change your hair style without letting us know, don't you know your place in life.....Gawd!!!! what is wrong with these people don't they ever learn!!!


I must be living in cloud cuckoo land.



Some of the members on our side wants her to apologies and move on, wonder what members are those, officer 'Flashdebadge' with a name like that you don't surprise me



:puke: :eyes:

[IsItJustMe]

62. There are people intentionally stirring up the crap around here on this

issue and I have seriously question their motives for doing so.

[msgadget]

72. You're right and I knew that and bit anyway

Shame on ME for contributing to it.

[IsItJustMe]

89. My comments were not directed towards you. I am talking about the folks

that are posting these petty posts, that are in one way or another, trying to blame her. I don't think it's honest debate.

[msgadget]

94. I know you weren't

I'm just sorry I contributed (and, obviously am continuing to do with with this post :eyes: ) to the extension of the non-debate that is going on in this thread.

[IsItJustMe]

97. I know how you feel. I am too. You hear something stupid, and you just

have to call it for what it is, bull shit. Keep up the good fight.

[Pathwalker]

79. Me too.

n/t

[Marie26]

77. You had me till the last

paragraph - the connection between McKinney & someone not looking for a job is a bit mystifying.

[The Stranger]

78. McKinney has been targeted and attacked for her political beliefs before.

And she is being targeted and attacked for her political beliefs now.

Even here on Democratic Underground.

Nice try.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

99. The underlying event was not a political attack on Cong. McKinney.

I did not see what happened; I do not know who is right or wrong. Perhaps both of them. Perhaps neither. I doubt we will ever learn the complete truth. Still there are some issues that are apparent.

I do think that there is an element of racism in security issues, and when unidentified people of any race, color, sex etc come through unidentified, I am not surprised that one is stopped. I suspect, though, with the present fear-driven rules of security under which our nation now cowers at the sight of its own shadow, that the security would have stopped a black man, a muslim woman in full dress, a preggers white baptist chick from Florida, an unknown self-important white man with a huge briefcase, wearing a 3 piece silk suit, or even Cheryl Teigs in a postage sized bikini.

And if the security is trained properly, they all would be stopped and searched. Especially Cheryl.

Is there racism in America? Of course. We would be deluding ourselves if we thought otherwise.
Is racism a part of the event which took place in the Capitol several dozen hours ago? I don't know. I suspect only slightly, if at all.
Is the Congresswoman right to complain about racism and its personal impact on her daily living? Absolutely and more power to her.
Is she entitled to make others uncomfortable about racism and its ugly appearance? Of course.
Is she blowing out of proportion a common security step, to stop people without IDs? Yes. If we are to have a "secure" capitol, everyone, even all congresscritters and senators should be stopped and searched. Every time. Because real security would also prevent a Tom DeLay from going postal or shooting off his personal handgun along with his ugly mouth.
Is she grandstanding? probably.
Is this whole mess causing the GOP to laugh at a time when their feckless leader just resigned in disgrace? You betcha.
Is there a wrong time to raise the issue of racism and defective culture? NO, not if it impacts your constituents on a daily basis.
Is this the best way to raise her poignant and important issue? I honestly do not know.

[dogday]

80. How long does it take to arrest somebody for

assaulting a cop? I would think the arrest would take place right then and there.. It has been a week and all we have heard is what is playing in the M$M...

This is a he said, she said thing... How does anyone discern the truth from one side of the story? I await to hear all accounts of this event before I make up my mind.....

Whose word is worth more? That is the question.... We have a US Congresswoman -vs- a Capitol Hill Policeman... This should of been settled behind closed doors, it has been blown out of proportion......

[Kailassa]

83. It's the Repuke way of saying to us ...

Hey, our Delay might have done all sorts of terrible shit, but your McKinney touched a police officer!

Who they most likely paid to harass her just to draw the limelight away from Delay.

Given more time, they could have tried setting her up with a handsome intern who had a zip-locking bag to send off his trousers in.

All the "hugh" number of posts here questioning McKinney means is that the freepers are on a serious divide-and-conquer mission at the moment.

[lastliberalintexas]

85. The only disappointment I've seen on DU

in regards to this situation is the people who judge before knowing all the facts. The government (thru the police) can level all kinds of accusations at someone. Until that person is found guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers, then the charges/accusations are almost meaningless.

Of course we all are entitled to our own opinions about these situations, even regardless of what a jury may decide. After all, I know plenty of people who think that OJ is guilty. But we should at least keep in mind that they are only charges/accusations at this point, and that very few, limited facts of the situation are even known.

[rman]

87. The DU poll shows a more optimistic picture:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x829786

[Brazenly Liberal]

88. What a load!

I cannot believe you are trotting out that old, tired, "they're doing it to themselves" line of crap. Are you kidding? "cult of victimization"???? Look around you - there are plenty of "oh, poor pitiful me, the world did me wrong" white people walking around. That doesn't mean it defines the white race and your friend's sister's ex-gardener's employer's neighbor's former whatever's experience doesn't define the black race.

I stand by what I said in another thread about this:

Referring to CM's experience, I said, "This is what a lot of racism looks like in 2006. Not shouted slurs or refusal to hire or house, but the daily endurance of a thousand small indignities. When you've lived with it all your life, you know it when you see it. And when you object and some jerk says you're "playing the race card," you know you're seeing more of it.

Cynthia McKinney's no fool. She didn't get to be a Congresswoman by finding the lucky bottle cap. She's a smart, savvy lady who is willing to tell it like it is even when "it" is something we try to pretend doesn't exist anymore. It's easy to say she should just get past it, get over it, let it be, let it roll off, let it go, move on. It would probably be the easier thing for her to do, too. But if she's ready to take a stand and say "this is bullshit," I'm ready to stand with her."

[autorank]

91. "BLITZER: When did you — when did you change your hairstyle?"

I'm with Wonkette on this one.

House GOP Weighs in on McKinney Incident
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/350237.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans pushed a resolution Tuesday commending the Capitol police force for professionalism after a confrontation between an officer and Democratic Rep. Cynthia McKinney.

Centristo, my DU Journal is called "A Moderate Perspective" Check it out on McKinney. Maybe we're soul mates;)

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/autorank

This is a SET UP. She's getting nailed because she's bold and takes unpopular stands.

Cast your fate with the House GOP...go live in a prison for the criminally insane while you're at it.

Namaste

[Batgirl]

95. I'm not making sense of this

"I have a friend at work who's ex-husband refuses to look for employment because he claims that he's been kept down by "the white man". Dude, STFU and go wait some tables. Go temp in an office. Do something. Do anything. But please, don't follow McKinney's lead."

First let us offer thanks for the ubiquitous sister/offspring/ex of a cousin/neighbor/coworker who is always ready to illustrate whatever point it is we are attempting to make. But sometimes, even with their amazingly convenient assistance, the point can be murky. For instance, how is this person in your anecdote "following McKinney's lead" in anecdotally not seeking an anecdotal job? The McKinney tempest in a teapot only just happened. Does this mean the person in your example decided to stop all job hunting efforts in the wake of the checkpoint controversy? If so, no need for you to fret so, it's only been a few days. You will give yourself an aneurysm with this level of worry and concern for the african american community. On the other hand, if his deliberate jobless status occured prior to the incident in question, it makes even less sense to relate the two. Congresswoman McKinney is a person with a long list of accomplishments (you can't get elected as a national representative by sitting on your butt) sufficient to inspire even the most fictional of lazy black men.

[Ms. Clio]

96. LOL -- it's been positively poignant

"You will give yourself an aneurysm with this level of worry and concern for the african american community."

[centristo]

105. c'mon

obviously this isn't a cause and effect relationship. I'm pointing out how this guy and McKinney are in effect blaming the "white man" when in truth they are the one's responsible for their own actions.

If the officer was in fact racist that's obviously unacceptable and HE should be dealt with. If McKinney did not stop and hit this officer as he claims than SHE should be dealt with.

I've already cast her as guilty, which I admit isn't fair on my part. But don't patronize my concerns about people I live and work with. Some repsonses to my post would have you believe I have no right to criticize any aspect of african-american culture because I'm white. Sorry, but I think that's crap. I respect that race is a hyper-sensitive issue, but its also something we need to be able to discuss rationally and openly.

[Marie26]

106. Great post

It's a co-worker's ex-husband - important to correctly attribute the 3rd-hand information. The anecdotal co-worker may have a negative spin on her anecdotal ex-husband's activities, as well. I liked your post; you expressed the problem w/this OP perfectly. Seems like you made sense of it pretty well!

[bpilgrim]

107. that was RACIST, imho, and this thread should be locked - lets ALERT

MODS: please lock this blatantly RACIST stereo typing...

I have a friend at work who's ex-husband refuses to look for employment because he claims that he's been kept down by "the white man". Dude, STFU and go wait some tables. Go temp in an office. Do something. Do anything. But please, don't follow McKinney's lead.

thank you
peace

[Jigarotta]

101. bollucks...

""I see the same knee-jerk defensiveness for her here at DU a I did over at Free Republic about Delay. Are we no better than them?"""
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if you can't see the difference between what Delay has done and what McKinney is to perhaps maybe have done or not done according to the 'law' that changes whenever Bush feels like it...

good galloping grief...

[klook]

110. Comparing McKinney to DeLay? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Who are you trying to kid?? :rofl:

I see the same knee-jerk defensiveness for her here at DU a I did over at Free Republic about Delay.

:boring:

[maddezmom]

112. locking

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