Seems as if the tide is shifting in America. But then, I thought 2004...

[wake.up.america]

would have seen a shift.

Do the people of America have the will and the means to clean up the mess being left behind by the GOP elephant?

[B Calm]

1. We still need fair elections with a paper trail before anything can

be done.

[greekspeak]

3. Seconded

There are dirty machines all over America that need to be trashed and replaced with a hard copy of peoples' votes. Add in representatives that are PROACTIVE AND progressive. Then we will see what party takes the house, the senate, and the WH in 2008.

[AndyA]

4. I'm hoping all the issues revealed with the voting machines will force

areas using them to take drastic steps before the November elections. It has been proven too many times that these machines are inaccurate, and can be manipulated by people of questionable intent. America needs honest, transparent, verifiable voting machines.

[darkmaestro019]

5. I'm tempted to take that horrible "If you're not doing anything wrong"

meme of Theirs and cram it down their throats on this machine-thang. If they're so good and it's so honest, you won't mind the source code being examined and paper trails being instituted, willya? Just humor us. What do you care if you've got nothing to hide?


:evilgrin:

[greekspeak]

7. Pukes use "what do you care if you've nothing to hide" thing to defend

illegal wiretapping. So yes, let us put that shoe on their foot and see how they like the fit. I can gaurentee they will find it most distasteful. They want to make all the rules and not have them apply to themselves. The time for that crap is over.

[greekspeak]

6. The necessary drastic steps sometimes have icky consequences

But some officials are fighting for us anyway. My county election supervisor Ion Sancho (Leon County Floirda) has showed those machines as hackable. And so their response was to force the county into HAVA non-compliance. The companies play dirty pool, and we have to be prepared for it. However, fighting back now assures free elections in the future. We owe it to ourselves and our future generations to do something before the voting companies run American politics.

[mdmc]

8. both (dem + gop) BoE officials in my county think diebold is God

they are so happy that they will "never need to count votes" again.:eyes: It is the Dem official that fights the most against a paper trail.

[greekspeak]

9. That dem official reeks of Puke audacity & needs to go...

to the same place as those vote fixing machines...to the dustbin of history.

[AndyA]

11. Do you know what Leon County is planning?

Any idea what steps they're taking to be in compliance before the elections?

[greekspeak]

12. This is what I am seeing from today

County hopes for deal on voting machines
Jeff Burlew
DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER

Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho is set to meet next week with representatives of Diebold Election Systems, which had earlier refused to do business with him after he conducted tests last year on Diebold machines.

The meeting has been set for April 14

(snip)

Sancho now is in talks with IVS, a Louisville, Ky., company, to buy voting machines that can be used by the disabled. However, Sancho said in a recent interview that he's willing to take another look at Diebold.

Sauls said that while IVS might be Sancho's first choice, she's not sure how feasible that option is because the state hasn't certified IVS to sell equipment in Florida.

(snip)

The meeting likely will be closed to the public at Diebold's request, Sauls added. She said that neither she nor Sancho mind having it open, but that Diebold representatives asked for a private meeting to possibly negotiate a contract. A Diebold representative could not be contacted for this article.

Link to whole story...
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=110CF64DEA16DF30&p_docnum=2&p_theme=gannett&s_site=tallahassee&p_product=TD

[AndyA]

13. Thanks - very interesting. They all want closed door meetings.

I wonder what Diebold will be able to do, if anything, to change Sancho's mind. He sounds like he's trying to be fair and honest, and do what's right for everyone down there. Let's hope he maintains his integrity.

[izzie]

2. Well I think Dem had the House for about 30 or so years so---

guess things just more back and forth some what. I have thought for years that the whole world was moving in a more progressive step and I still think it is that way. This world business needs to be rained in which I think it will. All takes time. I think the US big problem in learning that we are not the only nation that can do things. We also for get we have taken so much from other countries. We keep yapping about Am. law but it did not spring out of Plymouth Rock it came through the Brits. our welfare came through Germany. We seem to for get that our founders read the great works of the enlightenment. Lots of voting societies even in my life time. I do not know the numbers but it has to be a lot since the 1930's.I still think we are in the middle of a world revolution.

[wake.up.america]

10. This time around, the Democrats will maintain power because...

of the truth. The education of the public has just started. The self-interests of some will remain, but the American public will realize what entails fair government and what is holy roller, greed and just plain stupidity.

[izzie]

14. I would just love to think that reason and 'we the people' stays in

but looking at 200 years and we sure have made some errors along the way in any one in power. I usually think we re-do and try to make it right once more. But change is always with us so we also must always change a little. Even our base has had a change about every 20 years on ave. I believe in a living constitution as no one stays the same or does a society. You just can not go home as you are always moving to wards some thing. If we do not think a world wide business style is coming we have to be out of our minds. You can bet wages will fall to reach some level all can handle but then so will cost of things. After all why build a TV if no one can buy it. It is always a two way street. Money value is only what you can buy with it. If you work an hour for a pair of shoes 20 years ago and now work 2 hours or 30 min. to buy the same thing now your life has changed.

[KyuzoGator]

15. Right now we're where we SHOULD have been in 2004.

Kerry failed to make America believe that Bush was a failure. Sorry if that hurts, but it is true.