If you've been following the Duke rape scandal...

[WilliamPitt]

you should know that ESPN is reporting that Duke's lacrosse coach has resigned, and the season has been cancelled.

Three Duke lacrosse players stand accused of raping an exotic dancer at a party.

[Taverner]

1. Not only that, but one of the players sent an email detailing

How he wanted to kill and skin random strippers....sick. Just sick.

[BBradley]

3. Yeah, do we even need a trial for this?

I mean, they play lacrosse.

[Pirate Smile]

4. I just heard Abrams read that e-mail - OMG

:wow:

[LostinVA]

5. I saw that -- and, today's Durham newspaper had some sick LTTE

Specifically one basically saying that strippers are whores who fuck anyone for money... and that this was a business deal gone wrong... I have to make a call, but will find the link after that.

on edit: fourth letter down, although many of them are kinda disgusting.

http://www.herald-sun.com/opinion/hsletters/index.html#720603

[catmother]

12. i worked in a club in new york many years ago. okay the girls

were not strippers -- just dancers in nice costumes. they were not whores. one was paying her way through law school, another was working on her PhD.

and if you've got a good body and can make that kind of money, why not?:eyes:

[LostinVA]

14. I agree completely -- and, THIS woman is working her way through

school... and, who CARES what they do? This is legal work!

[Iris]

16. because it'd be kind of weird to walk into a job interview and find one

of your former customers sitting across from you?

Of course, that doesn't excuse the mistreatment of a woman in that business. I'm just sayin'. . .

[catmother]

20. that would be funny. neither person could say anything. lol

[Iris]

33. yeah. Or like on CSI, when one of the younger guys finds out Catherine

was a dancer, he said he'd been to that club . . .maybe he'd seen her perform. And she just said, "No, you didn't. If you had seen me, you would have remembered!"

[catmother]

35. i remember that.

[Horse with no Name]

51. A couple of nurses that I worked with

stripped their way through college.
These ladies were EXCELLENT nurses with beautiful bodies.
I don't see the problem and can't imagine anyone calling them whores.:shrug:

[lildreamer316]

27. Yep; that's a perfect description of me.

:eyes:
In the 12 years that I've been stripping; I have never been degraded like that. Guess I'm a lucky whore.(here an hour away from Durham)

[LostinVA]

28. I know, it was a totally disgusting letter

[fishwax]

55. that is sick

"me and my buddies agree" the writer says. :eyes: :puke:

[mmonk]

62. Must be a Limbaugh listener.

The legend in this area is that Duke student athletes are superior people anyhow.

[CornField]

95. Did you read this one?

"The worst offense, I believe occurred more than a decade ago when Duke fans chided a UNC player with "orphan" after both parents had died earlier in a murder and suicide."

wow.

[Dorian Gray]

68. When I heard that on the news...

they were claiming that he claimed it was a "joke." What kind of SICK, FREAKING JOKE is it to talk about skinning alive a stripper? That is one crazy sociopath!

[Crazy Dave]

2. I'll bet (not a bet) that as soon as things cool off a little....

The university will offer a huge financial settlement out of court to the dancer to drop the charges and just go away.

[DURHAM D]

44. Even if the criminal charges don't go away Duke will be

paying a giant financial settlement in a civil case.

Duke University owns the house where the incident occurred and the lacrosse team members were their tenants.

[Pachamama]

56. In addition to the settlement, Duke should offer a full paid Tuition and

all expenses paid for the victim to Duke....That would only be appropriate...and suspend these players.

[LostinVA]

59. I thought that, too -- give her a full scholarship and FREE HOUSING

so she and kids can have that off their minds...

[Pachamama]

64. This single Mom should never have to dance again to feed her kids!

I can't even begin to imagine the struggles she has faced in her life compared to these repulsive spoiled rascist and poorly raised boys that raped her and brutalized her. As far as I'm concerned every single member of that team in their silence and refusal to cooperate are guilty of the rape too. They should all be expelled and frankly, people should start accepting that there will not ever be a Duke Lacrosse team again - at least for a decade.

If I were the University President and the Board of Directors, I would do this in order to let the world know that rape and rascism will NOT be tolerated by Duke ever, and to let all athletes and students know that there is zero tolerance - a message that should be sent across the country and the NCAA. Meanwhile, the University should give major attention and funding to the various agencies and student groups on campus to have teachings on violence against women and rascism and they should offer this young woman free tuition, room and board and childcare for her kids.

Her scars from that terror will never be erased...but atleast she can get a good education and a chance for herself and kids and it would be the most effort that Duke could do to right a wrong.

[LostinVA]

65. I agree -- the whole team should be expelled

Because the whole team is "banding together" (awww... isn't that sweet? Protecting rapists!). Honor codes are not the same as the Law, and I betcha they can be expelled for this.... along with the underage drinking, racial remarks heard by neighbors, having underage parties in a Duke-owned residence, probably breaking party rules, too...

[Dorian Gray]

69. Definitely agree...

If anyone is helping out the investigation and is not guilty, then they can stay. But, those who are banding together to aid and abet the guilty need to be expelled RIGHT NOW!

This is one of the most disgusting stories I've heard in a long time! It infuriates me!

[LostinVA]

71. Apparently, it's infuriating a bunch of people in NC, too

My Mom says all the polls are very much for the victim... the distaste many people in NC have for the Duke Image probably is also part of it...

[Pachamama]

77. The symbol of the Blue Devil is going to represent Racist Rapists for yrs!

This is why Duke if they want to have any chance of protecting the good name and educational institution that Duke is to make sure they show zero tolerance for this event and to prevent it from happening again.

I played Womens Lacrosse at one of the 8 Ivy's in the Northeast....I know the NCAA well (we went to the final four often) and I know the mentality of not just the men's lacrosse teams, but all sports.
I will never be able to look at the Duke emblem and name, especially if its associated with lacrosse without the image of these white males raping a black woman. When I saw the email that was sent by the sophomore lacrosse player from New Jersey, Ryan Mcfayden, saying he wanted to kill and "skin" the strippers, I got chills. I think that we are dealing with some seriously violent sociopaths who then along with the sexist, racist groupthink of a team committed a heinous and brutual act and then are covering for eachother....

Duke will be lucky if they recover from this....The young mom who was raped, may never recover from this....

[LostinVA]

78. This was a very, very good post for many different reasons

And, i agree about there being some serious sociopaths on this team... normal people (meaning people with a conscience) don't say things like that, even in jest. And, lest anybody on here says they and their friends did/do: bull. If you do, then you, too, are a sociopath.

And yeah, Duke better play this out very, very carefully...

[LSK]

6. yeah, it was on AAR news about an hour ago

[Midnight Rambler]

7. Link for those who might've missed it on TV

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2398409

[Beaverhausen]

8. I wonder if the coach was told the results of the DNA tests

[boobooday]

10. Yes, when are they expecting results from that? n/t

[Iris]

18. I'm really curious as to why he resigned.

I hope he makes a public statement at some point. Is it because he believes his team is being unfairly accused or because he knows what miserable excuses for men they are?

[0007]

36. Hard to say! Probably because the truth came out.

:shrug:

[radwriter0555]

52. I believe he's ashamed to be associated with such pieces of trash.

And he should be.

Contemptable characters, men who would rape any woman.

[Iris]

58. I would like to believe that.

But who knows? :shrug:

[LostinVA]

60. Someone on here posted he liked to party with his players

IF true, he is culpable in that he helped foster an environment where his players felt is was okay to "act out."

[Iris]

80. sadly, that was my first impression.

[Dorian Gray]

70. That's what I assumed, as well...

though I am sure that the Duke Admin wants to clean house and get rid of anybody and everybody associated with this current LaCrosse team. So, they probably put some pressure on him to resign, as well...

[jukes]

9. all the apologists

look to be the fools they are. bet not 1 of them will step up to say, "i was wrong..."

[northzax]

17. yeah, I can't wait for the Innocent until proven guilty crowd

gets their commupance.

[bloom]

22. They ought to put the whole team in jail.

Since when do the accused have freedom to walk the street and commit more rapes. Sounds like they are all guilty of obstruction of justice.


These people should get their "commupance"

Guilty 'Til Proven Innocent

"It’s racism at Duke, all right. Racism against white students. Members of the Duke University Lacrosse team may have abused a black party girl, but, without any proof or trial, the Duke Lacrosse team was punished by the university, suspended from further games. So terrified was the administration of being charged with “racism.” The black female wins again. She is truly an ace on the field and in court...."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21903


I think these people have the right idea:

"The very next morning, activists from across the Triangle gathered in front of the house and staged a “Cacerolazo” wake-up call—a traditional form of protest used by women in Latin America to publicly shame rapists and batterers. The participants banged on pots and pans while powerfully chanting calls for justice and solidarity."

[lastliberalintexas]

26. Are you serious?

Wow. The "accused" have the right to walk free up until they are indicted and arraigned, by which point a jury of their peers has at least been provided with some evidence of guilt and a grand jury has returned a Bill of Indictment against them. Before then, the government hasn't done a damn thing to merit depriving people, even those accused of crimes, of their personal liberty and has no right whatsoever to detain people based on mere accusations of criminal conduct. And I'd be worried if I were you- Scalia and Rehquist believe that mere suspicion of a crime is enough to allow warrantless searches of body parts, so it doesn't look like you're in very good company in discussions of how criminal defendants should be treated.

I seriously hope that you are never accused of a crime, but if you are, I hope you are treated better than you seem to think others should be. Oy.

[jukes]

43. IF

sufficient evidence has been amassed to comprise "probable cause", arrest y subsequent bonding is appropriate.

but THAT is for the system to decide.

more likely in a case of this magnitude/high profile, evidence will be submitted to a Grand Jury, to avoid any mishaps that could derail justice.

i'm satisfied that the coach has abdicated and the elitists have lost their stature UNTIL DUE PROCESS FOLLOWS IT'S COURSE!

[bloom]

48. Actually - people are arrested and jailed based on probable cause

and then they get a hearing later. And they might bond out - depending.

By now - the accused rapists should have all been deposed at the very least.

And maybe you haven't been paying any attention - but there is quite a bit of evidence already. And the team members are obstructing justice - probably because they know they are all guilty - of at least standing by - doing nothing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. Edwin Meese - is that you?

Wow how long have you been posting on DU?

:rofl:

[jakefrep]

76. Since when do we throw out due process...

...just because we don't like (and there's plenty not to like about these individuals) the alleged perps?

[bloom]

93. The problem is that these guys have NOT been getting

processed nearly enough. So now they think they can do anything.

Here's a thread about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=866885&mesg_id=866885

[jakefrep]

102. The police and the DA aren't moving fast enough for you?

I rather they get the RIGHT guy(s) than hang the wrong guy just for the sake of hanging somebody.

[bloom]

103. There were three guys who actually committed the assault.

I have no reason to doubt that.

And like I said - I think anyone who was there who isn't talking is guilty of something.

And it is going slow.

And if you read my other thread you would have seen how these guys have gotten off prior to this. And usually assaults aren't even reported - by the sounds of thing..

Hopefully the DA isn't caught up with the "oh we can't prosecute the team" mentality - like they have been before. (Again - see other thread).

[Nikki Stone 1]

83. Ah, so David Horowitz and his "front page rag" support rape

Always nice to know that.

[NaturalHigh]

114. Put the whole team in jail?

What country is this again? Since when do we put people in jail for what their teammates allegedly did? Nobody has been found guilty of anything or even charged with a crime.

BTW, refusing to talk to the police when you are a suspect is not a crime. It's one of those pesky rights that is protected by the Constitution. Of course, the skip the trial, hang the bastards crowd isn't really interested in the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

Assuming that three of the teammates really did what they are accused of doing, that means that over 40 other men at that party are innocent of the crime.

[file83]

11. The COPS also found an E-mail from one of the perps after the rape...

...occured. Check it out: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/05/D8GQ1F0GC.html

From the article:

In the e-mail, addressed "To whom it may concern," the player says he has "decided to have some strippers over" to his dorm room, "however there will be no nudity."

"I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk in and proceding to cut their skin off," the author of the e-mail says, adding in vulgar terms that he would find the act sexually satisfying.

The e-mail was signed with what police said is the player's jersey number.

Yes, these kids were just having some fun. :sarcasm:

These guys were psychotic thugs.

[EllieGreen]

24. Don't ya know...

there just boys being boys? :sarcasm:

[KyndCulture]

13. Oh yeah I've been following it since Limpballs called her a ho.

I hope she sues that drug addled pig. There are laws to protect crime victims from that.

[Punkingal]

50. Now why would that asswipe make a statement like that?

That is just sickening.

[CatWoman]

15. The whole thing sounds like a Lifetime Channel Movie

[catmother]

19. sometimes those movies are based on the truth -- just like many

episodes of Law & Order. you know how they say "ripped from the headlines":shrug:

[CatWoman]

21. that's my point

the great majority of them are based on true stories.

[stlsaxman]

23. yeah, If you've been following the Duke rape scandal...

you have succumb to the MSM's distraction tactics on behalf of the GOP.

this is the first i've heard about it and though i feel for the victim and hope justice is served to that sick motherfucker, (self-edited... see post below for correction)

the MSM is making Delay out to be a hero, Feingold a moron and continuing to ignore the debacle in Iraq...

pardon me while i scream out of frustration-

WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GET TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for letting me vent...

[EllieGreen]

25. I beg to disagree....

this IS important. Rape IS important. People's reaction to IT is important.

With all due respect, I'm a little sick of the attitude of "we've got more important issues to deal with, we'll get to yours when the important stuff is done." This has been the "rallying" cry when any issue that involves women comes up and I won't sit down and bite my tongue about it.

Women are the majority in this country, and it is time to step up and scream at the top of our voices that rape, abortion, birth control, domestic violence, etc. ARE important issues and need to be on the front-burner.

/rant mode off

[IsIt1984Yet]

29. Thanks for that. I agree.

[EllieGreen]

32. You're welcome. :-) n/t

[stlsaxman]

34. You are correct- it IS imortant...

and I was remiss to say this is not important. I do not wish to belittle the horrors these victims suffer. And you are correct that it is time to step up and scream at the top of our lungs about rape, abortion rights, birth control (or lack of access), domestic violence... To qualify myself; I was raised by three wonderful sisters who demanded I read MS. Magazine and "Our Bodies, Our Selves" in the early '70's.

My frustration as posted above stemmed from what appeared at first to be yet another "if it bleeds- it leads", "White girl missing" story used by the GOP/MSM to distract the population from what is happening to our country. Please understand that and accept my apologies for being short-sighted.

And Welcome To DU, EllieGreen! :hi:

Hopefully, we will ALL step up and scream at the top of our lungs, combining each and every rallying cry and get the big work done!

Thanks again for pointing out the oversight. I need waking up on occasion...

[EllieGreen]

38. Thanks for the clarification!

I agree with your frustrations, and I understand them.

Thanks for clarifing your postion and your wonderful post (and the welcome!). No apologies are necessary! :-)

I will be happy to scream at the top of my lungs right with ya.

[stlsaxman]

39. Thanks! looking forward to reading future posts from ya!

:toast:

[etherealtruth]

45. I agree wholeheartedly and ...

may I extend a warm welcome to DU.

[bettyellen]

53. speak on it, EllieG

it's particularly disheartening when it happens here. and it does, more frequently than the dudes want to admit.
fucking tiresome, it is.
and welcome to DU!

[LostinVA]

30. This is a very important topic, and an important case

And ties into white male elite privilege, degradation of women, degradation of blacks, sexism, racism, elitism. So... tell em again why this isn't important? And why we can only find ONE issue at a time important? This case ties into EVERYTHING happening in our country right now.

It's been on the national news for almost a week now, too.

And gods bless the Durham DA for taking this seriously and being aggressive in the investigation.

[jazzjunkysue]

31. Gotta wait for the DNA, and I'd like to know why she goes door to door

That's alot more dangerous than stripping in a club. Wouldn't a legit entertainment company send along a chaperone for this very contingency?

It's sad that she did this "for a living." I wish we didn't leave our youth in such dire straits that they would go door to door like this.

The DNA will confirm it, and of course, they should get the full penalty if it's true. But sadly, knowing our society as I do, this will not deter other young women from entering this field: If anything, it will encourage them. After all, it made her famous, right? That's our TV american mentality.

[mconvente]

37. I doubt women want to be famous by being raped

Quite the opposite actually I would hope.

Interesting, all the male lacrosse rosters are gone from the site, but other sports teams rosters are up there - for instance, the women's b-ball team's roster is there. Very interesting...

[file83]

40. You're right. This girl has ZERO financial incentive to accuse them

of raping her. These are poor college kids, so to claim she's "faking the rape" is totally unsupported by any angle on this.

Second, I doubt this is a "fake rape" case because it's not like she had a "reputation" to protect - she was a stripper - I'm not passing judgement - but society sure does. Again, she has no motive to have had consensual sex and THEN cry rape.

All the facts point to that this is a very REAL case of group rape. The question is, which one of these guys is going to confess in exchange for a plea bargain?

[KoKo]

42. The tip off to me was when the police took the bath mats....

even if they used condoms...stuff would have been on the mats. They also took computers which were in the next room. There was an e-mail released today that didn't sound too good for one of the guys involved.

:shrug:

[etherealtruth]

46. What about pizza delivery people ...

... visiting nurses ... There are a lot of people/professions that go from "door-to-door."

I'm not going to "blame" the victim here ... yeah we'll all wait for the DNA, but there seems to be a lot of disturbing behavior exhibited by members of this team.

[LostinVA]

47. She's raising two small children and paying her way through college

I'm sure she makes more than she would in retail, etc., and the hours are more flexible than a club. It's a shame that someone who wants to better themselves are forced into putting themselves into such potentially dangerous situations.

[jazzjunkysue]

81. My point, exactly.

[LostinVA]

105. What point? The point you made that she's a skanky ho teasing

the innocent lads. Be gone. You're on ignore now. I don't read crap like your deleted posts.

[jazzjunkysue]

106. That's not what I said, at all. Learn to read.

[sproutster]

49. ...cough... Oh man... remember the huge outcry of Rape after The Accused?

Wow... It was totally the thing to do... Made Jodi Foster FAMOUS!!

Did you even read the search warrant? She was raped vaginally, orally and anally. Yes I'm sure all young girls are lining up for some of that action.

I have no flipping clue what "channels" you are watching - obviously I'm not paying the extra $2.50 per show.

[LostinVA]

61. One of the most truly bizarre posts I've ever read on DU

And that's saying a hell of a lot.

So, because all these young women will think it's cool that the victim has been made "famous" by being brutally rapoed... they themselves will eb encourage to "let" themselves be brutally raped. So that they can become famous. Did I get that right? Or, I guess you could replace "raped" with "faked being raped," which would make the statement even more scarily odious.

[Name removed]

82. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LostinVA]

89. Incredible -- she "teased" the poor widdle innocent boys

Teasing the poor widdle boys with her skanky ho body, until they were so lust-filled their had to rape her skanky ass... cause she was ASKING TO BE FUCKING RAPED, going ALONE to a private party to rape. Fucking whore. She got what she deserved. And, because everyone knows rape is about sex... and strippers just strip so they can have sex.

Your post makes me SICK.

Attitudes like yours are part of the problem. It makes me sick. Proud of yourself?

And, I notice you said she didn't "want" to be assualted... not that she didn't deserve to get raped.

Perhaps you're on the wrong board.

[NashVegas]

91. She Did Not Go Alone

She was teamed up with another dancer. They got separated, according to reports.

This was not likely a safe operation. I know of clubs where private dancers have their own personal bouncers that are waiting just outside the door.

[LostinVA]

92. Seriously -- take your nasty views someplace where they'll be appreciated

Because they aren't here. Maybe the most misogynistic, disgusting, loathsome, fucked up posts I've ever read here... and I've read quite a few.

I'm sure you're snickering with glee over your keyboard, little man... because I am sure you ARE a little man..... but, you shoudln't br gleeful. Because you are nothing but a major prick with a little dick.

[miss_american_pie]

94. Why do women strip at all?

Maybe because we live in a society where women still are second class citizens and, lacking a degree, make better money stripping than anything else.

I can tap dance naked in the middle of the street and no one has a right to touch me for it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

112. For the record

Women who strip make better money than anyone, male or female, lacking a degree. I know of very few jobs that make more money without a degree.

[philosophie_en_rose]

98. Because not everyone that throws a private party is a rapist.

Why walk down the street? A mugger could rob you.

Why drive a car? There's a chance of a carjacking.

Why speak to men at all? There's a chance that one of them might rape you.

Why buy condoms at the store? Someone might think you're a slut.

-------------------------------------------------


People should make the best choices that they can, but it is not true that taking a risk means that a woman is "asking for it" or in any way causing others to CHOOSE to harm her.

[SeattleGirl]

100. I am really sick of the attitude that women have to take primary

responsibility for the behavior of men. When are more parents going to sit their young sons down and teach them that it's not okay to just take whatever the hell they want from a woman. And this applies whether she's a straight-laced "Sunday School teacher" or a stripper (who, by the way, is probably a decent human being in her own right). If a woman is working as a stripper, that's ALL she's doing. She's not there for men to just grab her, abuse her, rape her.

This attitude that it's all a woman's responsiiblity to make sure men keep their parts in their pants is insulting, and it is just another way for men to once again get off scott free for what they do. I don't mean all men are this way, but this attitude is so pervasive in our society. It has to change, both for the sake of women, AND for the sake of men.

[LostinVA]

101. self-delete -- wrong thread

[Kerrytravelers]

109. If your daughter was raped, no matter where she was or what she was doing,

would you have the same feelings?

This is someone's daughter you're posting about.

[WildEyedLiberal]

67. Wow, you're absolutely right

I think I'm going to be a stripper-for-hire now, thanks to this incident. I mean, look how much publicity this woman is getting! I can only hope I too get brutally gang-raped and sodomized so I can be on TV!

Oh wait... she's not on TV... because she's maintaining her anonymity... because she got RAPED. AND SODOMIZED.

Are you for fucking real?

[LostinVA]

72. I know... I had to make sure I hadn't stepped into bizarro world

ager I read that psot...

[Name removed]

84. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[justice1]

86. They are men, not boys

I've known plenty of women that have been assaulted, some as a child, and it doesn't have anything to do with clothing. It's a crime of opportunity.

[Ignis]

87. That's an absolutely repulsive position to take.

"Good girls" who keep their clothes on and work at the post office get raped, too.

I can't believe that I'm hearing this on DU. Stop blaming the victim! There is no excuse at all for rape under any circumstances--not date rape, not marital rape, and not stripper rape.

What's next--children shouldn't be so cute, otherwise they're just asking to be molested? :eyes:

PS: Fowl = bird; foul = revolting, wicked, vulgar, blunder, etc. One doesn't "cry fowl" unless one is attempting to mate with a chicken.

[LostinVA]

90. She teased the poor widdle boys, huh?

Teasing the poor widdle boys with her skanky ho body, until they were so lust-filled their had to rape her skanky ass... cause she was ASKING TO BE FUCKING RAPED, going ALONE to a private party to rape. Fucking whore. She got what she deserved. And, because everyone knows rape is about sex... and strippers just strip so they can have sex.

Your post makes me SICK.

Attitudes like yours are part of the problem. It makes me sick. Proud of yourself?

And, I notice you said she didn't "want" to be assualted... not that she didn't deserve to get raped.

Perhaps you're on the wrong board.

[miss_american_pie]

96. How stupid does one have to be

to comprehend the definition of "no"?

[beyurslf]

97. And where does the reponsibilty of the men who hired her lie?

Surely they should be accountable for they do? Or does that only apply to the women they use to feed their sexual fantasies?

[Iniquitous Bunny]

99. Unbelievable!

:eyes:

Yeah, no women in "ordinary, respectable" jobs have been raped. Rape isn't about sex. It's about power, control, and violence.

Here's a thought, take some psych courses, read this, and start to THINK about this like a civilized human being. These are not just "random strippers". This is your daughter. This is your sister. This is your mother. This could also be YOU. Rape holds no age or gender (one in SIX victims are under 12). THINK! LEARN! Okay?

[Kerrytravelers]

110. You do know that sexual assult is a crime of power, not sex, I hope.

[lukasahero]

73. Thank you.

Your last line says it all. :yourock:

[KoKo]

41. Well...it's in my "backyard" so to speak. I'm waiting for ALL the facts

to come out. Having had intimate knowledge of Preppy Lacrosse Players...and knowing it's "Spring" when the guys suddenly decide to show their FRAT HOUSE MACHO stuff...I'm all too aware of what can happen and has been happening for generations when in Spring..."Young men's Fancy turns to Love...or RAPE." :-(

So...it's hard to say. I felt that DU'ers went over to the DARK SIDE with some kind of Dan Abrams and Court TV "Jump to Judgement."

But...it's Spring...and having grown up a long time ago in the Southern US...I know that "evil can lurk in the hearts of men." And..."in the hearts of Women in these times of equality."

Still...it does seem that Dark and Evil stuff went down there..and still we should wait. Unless we start to become the mindless who watch the Abrams and Court TV Stuff...with a little Rita Cosby and Flash Anderson Cooper (heir to the Vanderbuilt Fortune) Ravings....

It's a hard call..for folks like some of us who want to hang back and those who are used to "jumping into the frey." :shrug:

CAVEAT! This stuff goes on at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and all over the US from East Coast to West Coast and all in between. My comment was only meant from my "Southern Experience" where RACE still lingers in the dark hallways and byways everywhere. BUT...RACE lurks EVERYWHERE in every corner of the US...It's just that I know my own territory...even though I lived for many years in the NorthEast at the places where the Ivy Leagues Rule. It's covered up everywhere...but it EXITS EVERYWHERE....

My comments were just personal...from own "backyard experience" reading about this particular incident.

[Neil Lisst]

54. that email is devastatingly incriminating evidence

simply shocking, and compelling at the same time

It shows his state of mind less than 30 minutes after she was reporting the rape.

I did not expect to see this dramatic evidence for either side, but the email really corrobates the woman in a way that is difficult to overstate. Whatever happens to the others, the guy who wrote that is probably toast, and rightfully so.

[Strong Atheist]

63. Good. Bring on the trial... nt.

[jeffrey_X]

66. Imagine if this situation involved a white girl and football players..

who were African American????

[ecstatic]

74. funny how race changes perceptions

I'm now thinking about the gut reactions to the following cases (before anyone really knew the facts):

Barry Bonds
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jackson
OJ Simpson

[LostinVA]

79. I would say the reactions were about the same

[LostinVA]

75. I'll give the DA, cops, and NC public credit

They are taking this seriously, and public opinion is very pro-victim, per my mom in NC. There have been nasty LTTE in the Durham paper... but I suspect mostly from trolls....

[supernova]

85. Hearald-Sun is a right-wing rag

I don't know anyone who reads it seriously. The H-S is totally out of character for the rest of the town politically. So I'm not surprised at the nasty ton of the LTTEs.

I do hope this young woman can get counseling and pick up the pieces of her life. :-(

[LostinVA]

88. After 17 years in NC, mainly in GSO -- I didn't not know that

I'll check out the Observer...

[Ksec]

104. Well, theyd be doin what you people are.

Convicting someone without knowing what really happened.

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[Kerrytravelers]

111. After reading some of the terrifying posts on this board,

it's no wonder why women are still second class citizens in the eyes of most of the world.

And this, found on a liberal board. :scared:

[lukasahero]

113. "And this, found on a liberal board."

Yup, where the "good guys" reside. Makes you kind of wonder how bad it is out there in the "real" world, huh?