HEY! DU! (YOU!) How about a ROSES DRIVE for Rep McKinney?

[BigBearJohn]

(( A REAL SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR OUR LADY ))

[rman]

1. good idea

[Boredtodeath]

2. EXCELLENT idea!

I'm on board.

[wake.up.america]

3. I agree! People can only take so much!!

[JNelson6563]

4. No one does it like her

Self promotion is her thing and she is the best! Too bad she comes off as a shrill shrew.

She's no team player, why reward self-promotion? shit if that's the case we have plenty of DUers to send flowers to.

Julie

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[Vinca]

6. Can I suggest the FTD "Chill Out and Take a Valium" bouquet?

Sorry, breaking my promise not to comment on this again.

[Boredtodeath]

7. We'll get one of those on the road immediately

Addressed to YOUR location.

[okieinpain]

80. no shit..

[Mnemosyne]

8. Just tell me how and when John. I have stayed out of all the

bash McKinney threads over the incident. I am sick to death of the bashing of a great American trying to get the truth out. I have admired her for a very long time for daring to speak out against this evil regime and whether she was right or wrong in the incident doesn't matter to me, it won't diminish my respect for her.

I didn't have any money when the flowers were sent to Helen. :(

I'd also love to send something to Feingold. Steel balls perhaps?!

:hi::hug:

[BigBearJohn]

48. Wow How about BRASS ones? (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)

What a great idea.

[Mnemosyne]

51. I thought of this when I heard his speech when he

gave the censure resolution, iirc, impressive speaker.

I just want to make sure the gift fits the sentiment. Would there be something else better? I'd like to include John Conyers also. He tries so hard. There are several that deserve notice.

They both deserve something better than what they've gotten for their efforts for truth.

Just brainstorming here. Feel free to join in!

I did look up the cost of balls, seems funny saying that, and we could get 1776, 1/2in stainless for around $1100. Brass/bronze are more at approx. 3/8in $1500 per 1776. Not sure on shipping. I found several US manufacturers though. One small company in Fla. looks very promising.

Is there something of more use or sentiment we could send instead? Should we distribute 1776 balls among the members we actually have some reason to still have faith in and respect?

Just thinking.


Is anything set up for Cynthia M. yet?

[Hippo_Tron]

119. We should send Stephen Colbert an e-mail

And ask him where he gets his brass balls. Tell him that we'd like to send a pair to Feingold.

[ShortnFiery]

53. If I can help by picking up or ordering in the D.C. area, please

have one of the Admins or Mods IM/PM me? Perhaps I can help place orders or perhaps I can gather contributions. I'd come out in the open, just a little, to support Congresswoman McKinney. I'm sorry, but as mouthy as I can be, I'm very private kind of gal.

If I can discreetly help beyond money (which is a given), please don't hesistate to let me know?

[Mnemosyne]

84. Any ideas on distribution of balls?

I think the legislators that actually have been trying to stand up for We the People all deserve at least some meaningful acknowledgment. Maybe it will encourage others to start doing their jobs! Yeah, that will happen.

I'm a very private woman also SnF. I understand completely.:hi: :hug:

I'm going to contact BBJ again and see where things stand. I'll get back to you asap.

[goclark]

117. Can we get something other than Balls :)

There must be something that has the same zing that would be more PC ---

I don't want them to start calling Feingold "Ball Boy" instead of something classy like TRUTH TELLER!

And, it should be appropriate for a wider audience.

I ran "balls" by my Feingold loving Mom, 80 + and she thought that did not honor his deeds.

[meisje]

9. How about an anger management class?

[Boredtodeath]

11. Just check at your local hospital

They'll have those classes available for you to sign up.

[meisje]

13. If she joins, I'll join

[Boredtodeath]

14. She doesn't NEED it

But, clearly, you do.

Clearly, you're anger is so out of control you can't resist shitting on people who DO support her.

[meisje]

16. I don't recall assaulting any police officers lately

Maybe I'm so angry I just can't remember

[Boredtodeath]

19. Nor did McKinney n/t

.

[stepnw1f]

61. You Sure She Assualted the Officer?

Nobody has the facts yet.

[meisje]

70. If she is innocent, why did she apologize?

[stepnw1f]

91. I Don't Really Know and Neither Do You

lol

[merh]

113. I support her

And if you want something to think about, consider reading my last journal entry.

:hi:

[Boredtodeath]

10. Kick

We only need one more vote for the Greatest Page.

[cali]

12. Try to refrain from posting something

nasty on this thread. You don't agree with the OP? Fine, but he/she is trying to do something for someone he or she admires. This isn't one of those threads discussing the incident. Is it really so difficult to display minimal good manners for your fellow DUers?

[Boredtodeath]

15. If only

sigh.......

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[goclark]

118. Right Cali ~ DU has bashed her so much

[Twist_U_Up]

17. I can think of none other more deserving !!

She has a spine

[Boredtodeath]

18. Kick

get back up there.

[Lasher]

20. I think she was wrong and her post-incident antics are bad for Democrats

That's just my opinion.

[Boredtodeath]

21. So, don't participate.......

Not hard to do, is it?

[godai]

But, it's OK to express an opinion on this, right?

Or are you requesting that those who don't agree be silent?

[ShortnFiery]

54. Yer right Lasher!

Not only is she DoublePlusEvil for Democrats but "SHE HATES AMERICA!" :rofl:

:sarcasm:

[leftynyc]

100. That's using winger logic

If someone bashes the president, they must hate America. I haven't seen anyone call her evil...they just don't want to reward bad behavior and as mentioned upthread, if she didn't do anyting wrong, she hardly seems like the type of person to apologize.

[lostnfound]

22. I'd love to send her some, but NOT from DU. Also LTTE's would do more good

It would be easily perverted by the RW media into a show of support for beating a police officer, even though or even if there isn't an ounce of evidence.

DU flowers should be reserved for brave truth-tellers on the occasion of their truth-telling so that there is no room for doubt regarding the reasons.

I am not in favor of abandoning her, by any means, but I'm afraid that much would be made of this in a counterproductive manner. All public attention to the issue is probably counterproductive, but if it shifts away from 'who was at fault' to 'why do Democrats cheer for cop-beaters', we won't be doing anyone any good. And that is exactly where the rightwing media would take the controversy.

Write LTTE's if you want to help her, or send her campaign a donation.

[ShortnFiery]

55. You know, you're right, I'm going to personally send her

a top-notch bouquet! She deserves it ... and I don't consider her a quitter for "taking the heat" off of the Democratic Leadership. It was the republican held executive branch (ROVE!) who allowed her to twist in the wind until she had to make a thoughtful choice. Just because many "kept their powder dry" can anyone blame them with the vicious nature of the HateRadioCircuit and Corporate Whore media in the country?

[Jigarotta]

57. I sorta agree... not from DU.

for mostly the reason that it would be an Embarrassment if she checked in and saw some of the awful crap against her here. shame! disgusting shame! and from DU!

It can still be organized from here, tho. with just a simple note like We Love You, Cynthia or something corny and nice like that.

[marions ghost]

114. I know what you're saying

that The Roses should accompany an act of brave truth-telling. I do so agree. That is the symbolism they convey.

But I wonder if we could make an exception in Cynthia's case...because it is we who have missed the moment for rewarding her brave truth-telling so far, and she could probably use a show of support right now, while she gets publicly flayed for no damn good reason except the Pugs need a scapegoat. We have all done rash things at times. This is a big deflection, a big hoo-ha about nothing. We could make it clear what the roses are REALLY for.

[Bushfire]

23. Count me in! n/t

[symbolman]

24. I'm for it

I posted the same idea and got three responses mostly from self rightous "gotta follow them rules" people.

For christ sakes, who the hell in washington is following ANY RULES?

And this woman STICKS UP FOR REAL ISSUES, demanding that Bush is held accountable for CRIMES, how anyone can stick up for a dumbass cop I have no idea. The cop was STUPID, get it? BLIND,maybe? Can't tell black people apart at the least..

Sheesh, she's a democrat, SUPPORT HER, SHAME the other sissy ass Dems into Supporting ONE OF THEIR OWN.

No goddam wonder we lose over and over, like a bunch of chickens all pecking at a dead worm while there's a big pile of CORN in the corner of the henhouse..

Put me down for a donation, I'm IN.

[seemslikeadream]

26. "and you it's only seed" Thanks BigBearJohn

Some say love it is a river
that drowns the tender reed
Some say love it is a razer
that leaves your soul to bleed

Some say love it is a hunger
an endless aching need
I say love it is a flower
and you it's only seed

It's the heart afraid of breaking
that never learns to dance
It's the dream afraid of waking
that never takes the chance
It's the one who won't be taken
who cannot seem to give
and the soul afraid of dying
that never learns to live

When the night has been too lonely
and the road has been too long
and you think that love is only
for the lucky and the strong
Just remember in the winter
far beneath the bitter snows
lies the seed
that with the sun's love
in the spring
becomes the rose

[jeanarrett]

47. Thanks--I love that song--the melody played in my head

while I read the words.

[Jigarotta]

58. my dear departed mom's favorite song. nt

[movie_girl99]

27. count me in! n/t

[Skinner]

28. I kinda think we should wait until we know the facts.

Just my humble opinion.

[blondeatlast]

31. Thank you, thank you, thank you. nt

[Kingshakabobo]

36. Why to you hate Democrats?

:sarcasm:

[helderheid]

38. I'm with you on this one.

[Jigarotta]

59. Fact is, some of us here love her. nt

[Jigarotta]

64. I don't think the 'facts' will ever come out

as was the program all along.
but there will be a certain twittering and mistrust when McKinney's name is brought up when she is just trying to do her job. rush jokes, du jokes. etc.,

mission accomplished.

[leftynyc]

101. Words of wisdom (eom)

[donheld]

116. Damn right

I won't be giving a penny to this till I know all the facts.

[npincus]

29. Yeah.. Helen got roses and she didn't even slug a cop!

[exlrrp]

32. Too bad Mckinney didn't slug Cheney

I'd have filled her house with roses

[npincus]

34. I'd have her Sainted!

I know the L-rd personally, she does me favors sometimes.

[exlrrp]

39. call Her on this one!!

If She turns Cheney into a cockroach I promise to be good and say my prayers every night for the rest of my life!!

[npincus]

43. okay... I'll let htis one slip...

G-d has big plans for Cheney in the Afterlife... She's asked me not to discuss. All I'll say is that Satan has built a 'Neocon Grill' Room in his Ninth Circle.

[4 t 4]

33. "She is theONLY one on that committee"

omega minimo (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-05-06 09:48 PM
Original message
If you're trashing Rep. McKinney, Mike Malloy just kicked your ass
You'll have to check the tape cuz he's done and HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. "Don't email me about how she couldn't have given Republicans a better present......."

"What the hell is wrong with you people?!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY WORKS Y-E-T?!!"

He began by reading her statement of today from her website.

Very informative.

Actual information.

"She is the ONLY one on that committee that asked the questions that needed to be asked" (of Rumsfeld, etc. about the war, war games, etc.)

Hope you heard it.


"The pen is mightier than the flaming bag of poo." --Bart Simpson

[marions ghost]

115. totally agree

Cynthia is worthy of roses for sticking her neck out like she did about the war. Nobody's perfect --even if she went a liitle too ballistic when grabbed by the guard.

Y'know you have to be feisty to take on those ______'s in congress, who want to steamroller right over the likes of Ms. McKinney. Let's not be too hard on her for one of her more admirable qualities.

Cynthia has the ovaries (just as much as Boxer). She deserves the roses.

[goddess40]

30. sounds like there is plenty of blame on both sides

If congress members blast past this points on a regular basis without acknowledging those that are there to protect them, they share the blame for this incident that has been BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION!!!

On the other hand if the officer grabbed her with force from behind he is to blame too.

[blondeatlast]

42. Your first point is a good one and to my knowledge, has not yet come

up in its own thread--and should.

If the world changed (and at least America did) on 9/11, this is an issue that bears scrutiny indeed.

EVERY person entering a Federal building in Washington should be wearing photo identification--I don't care if they are the President or a janitor or a lobbyist or Sue and Jack from Sheboygan taking the WH tour.

[aikoaiko]

35. I think not. nt

[BIG Sean]

37. What if she slaps the Delivery person?

You know, he or she may not recognize her, and you know how she gets when that happenes. LOL

[Kingshakabobo]

40. You bad....LOL

:spank:


Maybe people should be required to wear cow-bells while in her vicinity.

[Hobarticus]

41. Count me out n/t

[Marymarg]

45. Count me out, too

[itzamirakul]

44. I agree! Who will do the collecting of money and the work of vasing

the roses when they arrive at her office? We had several great volunteers for Helen.

[Catchawave]

46. Her supporters should consider donating to her re-election fund

Just a thought, in this matter, it should be a personal decision, not a DU rally. The guard was doing his job when she breached security.

[ShortnFiery]

56. God, ARE we as a group, as big of "gutless wonders" as the RW wackos

believe us to be?

Remember, every time we help the right wing (FAIL to show our support for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who's been through the wringer), another Rovian Hell's Angel is granted his wings. :rofl: :grr: ;)

It's cool, I'll give money and send flowers on my own.

[Gabi Hayes]

60. thank you...I remain stunned at the response of so many DUers

especially before the facts are in

even if she PUNCHED him, which is the worst case scenario, so FFFFing what?

does she deserve the unbelievable contumely heaped upon her here?

amazing

[ShortnFiery]

63. Hunker down, my like-minde compadre, this is only the beginning ...

I don't mean to be irreverant but I want to scream out, "Forgive them Crazy Tom (Jefferson), for they know not what they do!" Really, when these vipers sense a weakness, they will not stop!

We, as a party, are going to be running scared for a long time.

Take care Gabi ... IMO it's going to be "hell on earth" for Democracy for the foreseeable future." :hi:

[Generic Other]

72. Rovian Hell's Angel!!!

What an image.

[WhiteTara]

66. when she went to work the way she went every day

for a long time. But black women are supposed to be shuffling through the back door 'cause they're there to scrub the floors not speak on the floor. Yeah, she should get roses. Count me in.

[BigBearJohn]

49. (((May I elaborate on why I did this post? Please give me just a minute)))

This woman stood up for US when it was extremely UNpopular
to do so. And now, when she could definitely use a little support
from her party.... what do some of us do? We chastise her!

God only knows the pressure that this lady is under from the GOP.
So, what do you want to do? Hit her when she's down or send
her a hug in the form of a rose. It might give her the strength
to keep up the fight. Everyone needs a shoulder to lean on now and then.

I hope to God Democrats are more compassionate than Repuklicans.
If Repukes can stand behind Delay in his time of need, I would hope
we could do better for our own -- one who has earned our understanding
and, if needed, forgiveness. I'm sure you give the benefit of the
doubt to your family. Can't we do the same for someone who has bravely
placed her head on the chopping block for us on several occasions.

[aikoaiko]

50. If she had handled the post incident press statements differently...

... I would sympathize more.

But she's coming around. She is now using the word apologize which implies fault.

[Generic Other]

75. I'm in

ROSES. LOTS of them.

[ShortnFiery]

52. I'm there - tell me where to send the Money?

[Jigarotta]

62. where do I send the flowers to?

I'm doing it on my own, I don't want the stench of the judases messing with my message.

[ShortnFiery]

65. Hey, I'll be PMing you, is that all right?

Yes, I'll be happy to look up the best AVENUE! Perhaps the thread starter can point us in the right direction, otherwise I'll get back to you within 24 hours.

Best wishes! :-)

[Jigarotta]

67. yes, please do. thanks so much! nt

[ShortnFiery]

68. Not a problem, not at all :-)

I'll make a number of phone calls tomorrow AM with regard to gleaning a number of reputable florists in the D.C. Area, and how we can ensure that our INDIVIDUAL floral arrangements can most directly sent to Congresswoman McKinney.

I promise to "get back with you" (PM) NLT tomorrow evening.

Its my pleasure to assist for a good cause - Have a good one! :hi: ;)

[BigBearJohn]

73. I'm in chat with a fellow DU-er who is in personal contact with her office

I will let everyone know what I find out.

In my personal opinion, the sending of flowers can be
also be sent by INDIVIDUALS.. which is sometimes even
more effective. No one needs to have their name
associated with this unless they choose to. If you
send flowers from yourself, and 20,000 of us do the
same AS INDIVIDUALS with no group association, it will
get the message across to her that we love her and
support her the way she supported us, even though it
wasn't popular.

I KNOW WHICH SIDE MY BREAD IS BUTTERED ON!!!

[ShortnFiery]

74. Thanks Big Bear John ...

since we are clearly DIVIDED on this issue, that's an excellent plan!

:yourock:

[MissMillie]

69. Do we have to send them to a woman?

Why not Fitzgerald?

[BigBearJohn]

71. I would send Fitzgerald Roses and Chocolates

[KAT119]

76. I'm definitely IN!! Angels travel w/ flowers!!

[ShortnFiery]

77. Update: Individuals choose to send flowers - Congresswoman McKinney -

I've been making a few phone calls. ;)

To those of you who expressed A STRONG INTEREST in following through with the above INDIVIDUALLY (I will PM folks listed above as a given), please forward me a PM so that I may provide YOU - all information for each INDIVIDUAL here *interested* to personally send Congresswoman McKinney flowers online. (YOUR own special message, no references to DU).

Since I have made the appropriate contacts, I can provide you with a fairly expedient and pain free (minus the cash :blush: ) way to order online (several national florists within 1 mile of the Center of D.C.).

Please don't hesitate to contact me via PM for all the information you need (selections galore!) to send a beautiful pick-up atta girl to this one hell-of-va advocate for many of us Americans (in addition to her constituents in GA), who would otherwise have no voice. :hi:

I promise to address you as promptly as I am able via individual PMs (a little cut and paste) as well as exercise the utmost discretion for the maintenance of your personal privacy. Translation = "You don't have to tell me nuttin' for me to reply - PM you the scoop."

Important: For those who disparage her (for ANY reason), this post is NOT addressing you, so kindly let us work as individuals, promising to represent *ourselves* - nothing more, nothing less.

Hey fellow McKinney Advocates! LETS NOT BE GUTLESS WONDERS, let's give her our INDIVIDUAL messages of support NOW when she needs it THE MOST?

NOTE: I'm not going to post anymore information - even feedback - within this message board, so please "pass the word" around?!?

Methinks this post may drop like a rock. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. May I Ask Your Intent? Are These For Her Past Or For This Current Incident

I just want some clarity on what this drive is for, and what your inspiration/motivation is for pushing it. Is it because she has done some amazing things in her career, and regardless of what happened recently you would've wanted to do this anyway since you feel it is overdue? Or is this to reward her for her actions in the current incident? If for the latter, what part of those actions deserve reward and encouragement? Just looking for some innocent clarity. :)

[ShortnFiery]

81. Why do you hate America!

:banghead:

"Don't make me come down there!" ... GOD

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

83. Why Do You Answer Illegitimately To A Question Posed To Another?

And then do so in a manner that carries no relevance or contributes to any real discussion within an intellectual capacity whatsoever?

[ShortnFiery]

85. Because we are "working together" to do what is right

by someone whom we hold in high esteem. Over the past 24 hours we have been PMing each other behind the scenes of "wonders and mysteries" that you have neither concern nor interest to participate in.

What I'm doing now could be termed LOYALTY. How you are behaving now could be considered by many, to be behaving like a "sore winner."

Dammit you're better than that! <serious>

Did I not humbly request that people who harbor less than a positive image of CW McKinney to please refraining from sniping something genuine and independent to DU?

"Illegitimately"? No, this is an open thread. Further, I can't speak for him, but believe that the thread starter, I believe would not consider me "attention grabbing" when my funny quip was only an attempt to stop the "personal attacks" on say ... EVERYBODY?

Consider letting it go, fellow DUer? This is "our thing" on the side, via PM. At this point we honestly should not be dragged down into the mud for admiring someone that you do NOT.

It's beyond time that we diffuse the tension because we got some RW scumbags that must be held to task.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. You're Just Full Of Flawed Assumption There.

I mean, do you always get that defensive and inaccurate when replying to people's posts? There is so much there that is off the mark it isn't even funny (ok, maybe it is).

You say I'm behaving like a sore winner. How? Winner of what? Does that even make any sense?

You say you humbly request people to refrain etc... I mean, do you really think that's how message boards work? Can you point out in my post where I ever sniped anything? When you say independent to DU, does that actually mean anything? Can you even call it a DU effort, since most of DU does not support it openly?

You stated that it is an open thread and I was wrong by saying you answered illegitimately. Open thread yes, I didn't say you couldn't reply. I said you couldn't answer the question legitimately, since as you stated "I can't speak for him". You are right, you can't. That's why your choosing to answer the question for him was illegitimate in the context of the question itself. Not to mention, you didn't even answer anything. You simply did no better than replying with absurdity.

You say it is "our thing" on the side. Is this not publicly posted in a thread right now? Is this a private thread and I'm just imagining it being in the public GD forum? If you claim it is "our thing" on the side, doesn't that contradict your earlier statement that it is a DU effort?

Then you go on to say that you shouldn't be dragged down into the mud. Ok, legitimate point, no one should be. But can you reference where in my post above that I dragged you or anyone else into the mud?

Then you continue to say that I do not admire her. Oh really? You gathered that from my post above how now? Have you not seen my brazillion replies in other threads where I make quite clear I admire all that she has done, though I thought she made some bad errors in judgement in this one situation? Do you truly think that someone can't still admire somebody after they make just one mistake?

In closing, your entire reply shows how much you missed the mark in answering my question to begin with. My post wasn't provocative in any way. It is actually a serious question that I innocently wanted an answer to. I think they were legitimate questions. Was this effort to show support for all that she's done in her career despite this one mistake? Was it instead just an effort limited to showing support for the narrow scope of this incident alone? If it was, the reasoning behind that is?

Those are legitimate questions of curiosity. Attacking those questions for sake of merely attacking is completely unwarranted and unproductive. I'm still hoping the OP answers the question, as I meant them with good intent and non-inflammatory reasoning. I'm sorry you felt the need to attack those questions, but I respect the OP and expect a far more civil reply from him then what was posted above.

[ShortnFiery]

88. Simply put - it's a JOKE to dispel anger and inappropriately placed

emotional angst!

Now, lets get on to more important things, shall we?

"Guess what I am now?" :popcorn:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. Wait, Your Big Long Rant And Spin Above Was A Joke?

Or did the points raised in it get so demolished in my reply that calling it a joke is now the only way to save face?

[ShortnFiery]

90. You're absolutely right OMC ...

By the way I LOVED that Queensryche CD of the same name to the last cut. I'm so glad we were over vinyl because I would have worn it out through excessive play. ;)

You are absolutely right in wishing for more intellectual discussion: I'll differ completely (I hope he forgives me for this!) to BigBearJohn since you seemingly have not had enough ANALYSIS of this all-important topic. :belch: :puke:

However, don't expect even him to give you a one each monolithic answer as to why we're, as individuals, sending flowers independently - every individual has his/her reasons for admiring the woman.

Sorry, I mistakenly was hoping that you felt like the rest of the 95% of DU, "this horse has been beat to death" bury it already. Thank you for teaching me that there are some people who suppress their sense of humor. You have accomplished that to a fine art.

How did you know that I am a pixie with a broken FACE? :eyes: :smoke:

Regards. OUT!

[BigBearJohn]

93. Not to overcomplicate, but I send roses to people I love.

I don't stop loving them because they occasionally make a mistake.

I'm not sending roses as a "reward" -- I am sending them to show my love.
Right now I think she could use a little show of love. You are entitled
to your feelings, no matter what they are. These are mine. I created
the original post to reach out to others who feel the same. If someone doesn't
agree, that's fine. There is enough space in this world for differing
realties. If someone doesn't feel like sending roses to Cynthia... fine.
I am reaching out to those who do.

I try to follow the words expressed by William Penn:

"any good that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow
creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall
not pass this way again."

p.s. sorry for the delay in answering. I have been out to the doctor today.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

97. Thanks For The Reply. I Agree With You.

I stated as well that she still has my respect and admiration regardless of making a small mistake. It would take 200 incidents like this one to begin to undermine all the good she has done.

With respect,

OMC

[ShortnFiery]

98. Mine is not at all "forgiveness" ... Mine - is because she kicks ass

and tells it like it is!

BTW I ensured that my bouquet did not contain any PANSIES. LOL

I don't understand you OMC. If you want the information, please send me a PM? Send your flowers for whatever reason you like then. :hi:

------------------------------------------------------

Big Bear John started this and, love is beautiful, but mine have been sent for "morale support and profound admiration." Not, in the roses I sent her, for a belief that she needs FINISHING School.

She figuratively kicks republican ass in The People's House and I truly admire her for it!

THAT is why "I really" thought OMC was just trying to taunt and stir the pot. Sorry for the misunderstanding OMC - really. Many of us are exhausted because we don't believe she made a mistake. Too bad her name isn't "Tom Delay" or "DICK Cheney", for this action wouldn't be brought up.

OMC, you were SERIOUS that tons of "individuals" would have ONE reason. No, you must have mistaken us for republicans. LOL

I followed your question (which I took to be partially tongue in cheek) first with humor, then an explanation, THEN I was just silly OMC. It was not out of disrespect for your person. IMO she did NOT make a mistake and there are NO MORE FACTS to mull over. OMC, you take life "in general" a lot more seriously than me or you're eons more intelligent than my person. ;)

Momma always told me that you get a lot more accomplished with honey, than vinegar. Oh why, oh why did I not heed her advice. <a southern bell type sigh> But I listened, instead to daddy, "You don't ever QUIT when you, in your heart, believe you are right. Sometimes you have to be a hard-assed SOB, otherwise they'll eat you alive."

Just maybe before the republicans loosen their stranglehold on the Police Union, and drop the charges - we can get her to wear a big hat, sit on a swing on her beautiful Georgia home porch, sippin' on a mint julep, and exclaiming for all to see, "I promise you! I'll never be RUDE (hungry) again." :puke: I could care less about her manners, it's her legislative deeds that kick butt.

[newsguyatl]

79. no way

she's a complete and utter embarassment...

where everything's about race.

no way would i contribute to sending her flowers.

[SPKrazy]

82. How About Let's Not! n/t

[BrightKnight]

87. Tempest in a teacup -Is fanning the flames really a good idea?

This story is a whole lot of noise about nothing. It was my impression that it was quietly dying a natural death anyway.

[BigBearJohn]

92. “Forgiveness is the fragrance that a violet sheds on the heel of a boot ..

that crushed it.”. -- Mark Twain

William Penn said, "any good that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again."

[Terran1212]

94. She's ALWAYS been a proud rebel (look it up)

I don't care if she messed up or not in this instance. Surprise! She's human!

But she's been a proud advocate of progressive causes and for those who can't defend themselves in the past. She deserves support.

[oasis]

95. McKinney graciously apologized in an effort to step aside and let

more important news (Bush leaks, Tom Delay) dominate the headlines. She's a highly principled individual and her sacrifice indicates her desire to take a low profile for now.

Sending flowers would possibly get her Helen Thomas type news coverage and defeat the purpose of her apology.

Supporters should send money to her campaign so she can carry on her good work.

[ShortnFiery]

99. "Helen Thomas type news coverage and defeat the purpose of her apology."

Albeit we all have the utmost respect for BigBearJohn, many of our floral arrangement have nothing to do with support for her apology. I would have defended her if she went to the mat on this.

You IMO, just don't get it, but wow, I get a real "Burn the witch, we want our dear and delicate GiGi back."

Hello, it's not the upscale "hotsy totsie" Senate after all it's The Peoples' HOUSE. :-)

McKinney kicks republican ass! :woohoo: :applause:

[oasis]

102. I don't get it? If you perceived a "burn the witch" message from any post

that I've ever written concerning CM then you don't get it.

[ShortnFiery]

104. Look at "the tone" of any of the "hang up high, she challenged authority"

Type threads? Hell, there must be at least a dozen of them out there.

IN PARTICULAR, your One-above post oasis, conveys a *parental* undertone in my view. If you don't know what I mean, then please consider it again for "the message" that floats along with it? Sort of conveys - "OMG! I sure hope the corporate media doesn't think we are fully support our child's shooting his friend in the face by sending roses!" Ooops :blush: another issue. BTW, the republican noise maching OWNS the media, so why should we care about sending a CLEAR message. It's indivdidual, repeat = we're sending as *individuals* - individual messages, individual payments, and individual orders - and this IS NOT I repeat NOT being sponsored in any way shape or form by ANY one orgainization. It's grass roots, get the word out type stuff.

Good people can disagree whether or not it was WRONG (misdemeanor wrong) to strike a police officer given her "specific" situation. Those people who honestly believe that she was in the wrong are genuine. I respect that we disagree. I think her apology was to help move on to other issues.

In any other misunderstanding (yeah, that's, in essence what it was), the police organization and Ms. McKinney would have worked out this misunderstanding: one-on-one and an announcement would have been made within 48 hours, "we have resolved this issue with no charges filed"

Not who's right, not who's wrong, BUT the understanding of the police, who have very tough/thankless job and also an understanding that McKinney is often in a hurry to place her vote in the house and gets frustrated with having been a 6th term CW and repeatedly not recognized. Both sides were in error to some extent, there was no malice, no one was physically harmed, she is in fact an US Congresswoman. DONE!

But consider that the republicans make all the calls and control "the message" within the corporate media. I agree with those who say, "we must choose our battles."

Many of the "trash McKinney threads" do often comment on her arrogance and lack of manners. Check them out? Read them carefully and understand that a spicy personality will attract many of those who unqualified - hate her persona with no data. I've often discovered in my personal "pushy-broad life, that those who feel women should be more polite and subdued, can veil that strong prejudice in a variety of forms. Even the hyper analysis of what should be an INANE issue.

Please understand when all is said and done, this is being manipulated by the republicans? So those of you who feel that an apology is overdue, I'd submit that you now have THAT compliance.

There's no need to continue to comment on her less than "finishing school" manners. McKinney is the real deal in representing those of us who want answers from this corrupt Administration and Republican Congress. As pushy as I am, I know that I do not have the courage in my belly, to stand up to some of those thugs to talk truth to power like our esteemed Congresswoman McKinney.

Please reflect on "the true reason" that you may feel that you have to trash McKinney's character, or feel that there's no reason to provide support, at what is, a low point? WITHIN - what I really wanted to be my last post in this thread, I clearly asserted that passing the Flower sending information was via PM and exclusive - not associated with DU.

Really, truly and all that jazz ---> if you wish to send flowers, PM me? If you wish to banter and hyper-analyze what happen for sure, then, I would respectfully suggest that THIS is NOT the thread for it. Check it out? = There's dozens more where you can obsess on the cut of her jibe.


:-) :hi:

[oasis]

105. OP makes no mention that the flowers will not be associated with DU.

If you care to read (an comprehend) my first response on this thread. My only concern is that DUers have respect for Cynthia's desire to remain low key on the cop altercation incident.

Perhaps if you took the time to try and understand where I was coming from on this you wouldn't have wasted your time serving up a condescending, dead end lecture.

;-) :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

106. Of course NOT, it's individual.

I said, if you want more information PM me, if you want to know the message, there is none via DU, because it's <tada> INDIVIDUAL.

Sorry, for I thought the word "INDIVIDUAL" meant that, well, we are acting as INDIVIDUALs and say, not in association with anything but our INDIVIDUAL support of CW McKinney. I don't understand why that would be a big leap of logic that DU is NOT involved?

DU IS NOT INVOLVED BECAUSE IT'S AN GRASSROOTS, um INDIVDUAL :banghead: information passing campaign.

No I'm not condescending when I believe the person I have the opportunity to address really - truly wants to send flowers ... um INDIVIDUALLY!, If YOU do, why haven't you PM'd me yet?

[oasis]

109. I

have no doubt that those who want to send flowers have their hearts in the right place.

I've been an unwavering supporter of McKinney from way back. BTW,I've seen the recent CM threads, both pro and con.

I'm just not on board with this project for the reasons I have previously given. This is as close to a PM I'll get on this matter.

My best to you and all supporters of Cynthia.:hi:

[ShortnFiery]

110. Ok, that makes sense ..

We're not going to send our INDIVIDUAL bouquets "all at once." I've already sent mine. The good CW herself will probably be back in her district and not see it. But the people working for her in DC will, and my support is for them as much as her. We are all in this together IMO.

I'm sorry <frustrated sigh> but this has been what my dear deceased Uncle will term, "a tough old go" and I'm a little jumpy and brusque. I'm not perfect, especially when it comes to defending someone who I greatly admire, I can get a little well, blunt if not rude. For that I'm sorry, but I'll never be sorry for supporting her and those who work for her.

Thank you for responding even if it is not via PM.

Again, this is a grassroots campaign. You might be correct, in that, it won't be overwhelming ... but it's is showing our individual support via flowers over the next 1-4 weeks ... no bombs of bouquets intended because it's grassroots (Net, Word of Mouth, Phone Cons, etc.)

I'm just an "contact information" person here, not an organizer in any stretch of the imagination.

Finally, this is an individual, grass roots drive.

Alleluia! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?

Best wishes all! :-)

[Marie26]

96. Uh, no thanks.

I admire McKinney for what she's done in the past, but not for this incident.

[Slit Skirt]

103. we should not do this unless we send something to Feingold and

John Conyers....and I am for sending something to all three.

it is extremely important we recognize John Conyers and Russ Feingold.

Not sending something because of how repugs will spin it, is exactly the complaints we have towards some spineless dems.

[ShortnFiery]

107. AGAIN THIS DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING, REPEAT ANYTHING

TO DO WITH DU. Nothing, nil, nada, ZILCH!

If you wish to PRIVATELY send flowers to McKinney, PM me, if you don't, then, Please start your own INDIVIDUAL "Let's Send Flowers to Finegold" thread.

Believe it or not, this campaign is being announced Every-Damn-Where on the Net and elsewhere. Not just DU. It's for individuals to outreach with flowers. BTW, I don't give a shit how the Republicans will spin it, I'm among many who HAVE HER BACK.

Again, as you prance your milquetoast DLCers in front of my face, don't expect me to act like a trained seal as you have in the past. (this "you" is the generic "YOU," NOT the opinion of this poster here)

:hi: :nuke:

[Slit Skirt]

111. excuse me...i think you misunderstood my post.....

I have supported Cynthia McKinney for years...she has been the outspoken going solo on 9/11

my response about spinning was in response to OTHERS who were worried about how the repugs would spin it...not me...cause I don't give a shit...hence my comments on spineless democrats.

I just posted a thread a few days ago about sending flowers to her and got shot down big time and I thought of it all on my own...I didn't need to see it everywhere on the net to decide that would be the thing to do.

yes...and I do think Feingold and Conyers deserve recongnition....shit...they are the only ones out there standing up for us....


so please direct your anger elsewhere and please back off....unless I am misunderstanding you...you are way too hostile.

[ShortnFiery]

112. Oh, excuse me!

I did misunderstand you. I'm Sorry for after "dealing with" this seemingly onslaught of, IMO, "authority lovin'" posts, I'm just "raw" at this point, not so good at discerning intention ... and, of course in NO way did you did you deserve my wrath. I was just trying to help BigBear explain the INDEPENDENCE of this grass roots effort. We are blessed to be members of this message board and respect the fact that skinner requests that we wait until the McKinney incident is resolved one way or another before addressing this as a legatimate DU issue.

I just wanted to do right by both the INDEPENDENTS and make sure that I'm just a POC for information. Again, the effort addressed IN THIS THREAD - I was helping to note that this is grass roots, and thru the action of INDIVIDUALS not any one particular organization.

You're right but my intentions were not to hurt you, just to try and keep the message above clear. Backed-off I am! :-) ;) :hi:

[Slit Skirt]

120. enuff said

thank you and good luck on the flowers for McKinney...she deserves it.

[Maddy McCall]

123. YOU need to ask Skinner for permission to use HIS website...

as a mode of publicizing your fund drive. He often frowns on things like this.

[ShortnFiery]

125. That's why all information is going PM = and donations are INDIVIDUAL

Did I mention that this is happening in MANY venues? Didn't I mention this is getting out via, notes on message boards (not just DU) for grass roots activism, phone CONs, word of mouth, etc. etc? YES, I MENTIONED THE FORGOING REPEATEDLY.

Because we only ask for people to PM us from now on and NOT making a big "to do" about it, YOU and those of you who have no interest in PMing me are keeping alive a thread that should have died a natural death over 24 hours ago.

If you still have "a problem" go back and re-read my posts again.

There is NO DOUBT that we are NOW taking this PM - and sending at various times as INDIVIDUALS. I WAS CERTAIN THAT I DROVE HOME THE FOLLOWING ---> Grass Roots, many sources of outreach venues, and NO organizations mentioned on cards that arrive with the flowers.

Now please take just a moment to re-read my last few posts. <curtsy> :nuke:

[Maddy McCall]

122. And Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks and Tim McGraw and...

when will this end?

:shrug:

[0007]

108. I'll wait until all hands are turned over.

[Maddy McCall]

121. How 'bout NO MORE ROSE DRIVES.

Enough already. If you have too much money to spend, send it to some of the coastal Katrina organizations, where truly needy people can have the things they need to LIVE.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

124. Helen Thomas figuratively punched George W Bush in the face.

Cynthia McKinney literally punched a cop.

Yeah, they sure do deserve the same reward!