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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:24 AM
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Here comes Bush's ploy for new nukes. Don't let this slip by.
Bush unveils nuclear weapons complex plan
By Ralph Vartabedian, Los Angeles Times

The Bush administration Wednesday unveiled a blueprint for rebuilding the United States' decrepit nuclear weapons complex, including restoration of a large-scale bomb manufacturing capacity.

The plan calls for the most sweeping realignment and modernization of the nation's massive system of laboratories and factories for nuclear bombs since the end of the Cold War.

Until now, the nation has depended on carefully maintaining aging bombs produced during the Cold War arms race, some several decades old. The administration, however, wants the capability to turn out 125 new nuclear bombs per year by 2022, as the Pentagon retires older bombs that it claims no longer will be reliable or safe.

Under the plan, all of the nation's plutonium would be consolidated into a single facility that could be more effectively and cheaply defended against possible terrorist attacks. The plan would remove the plutonium now kept at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by 2014, though transfers of the material could start sooner. In recent years, concern has grown sharply that Livermore, surrounded by residential neighborhoods, could not repel a terrorist attack.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/news/ci_3678818
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:30 AM
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1. Do we really need to replace them!?!
:nuke: :puke:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:34 AM
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3. NO, we need to STOP THIS NUKE ARMS RACE and abide by our treaties
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:43 AM
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9. Amen to that! nt
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:33 AM
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2. nuclear arms race: if WE in US don't stop this insanity, no one else will
except maybe the wacko Mideast longbeards/ al Quaeda types. And if THEY do it, they'll be targeting these nuke facilities in the US.

Let's stop this madness NOW. Biggest threat to US is BushCo. :puke: :grr:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:36 AM
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4. the sound of Defense Contractors rubbing their hands together
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:36 AM
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5. K&R n/t
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LaBanty Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:38 AM
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6. All the Defense Eggs in One Basket?
Sure, let's give any potential enemies a single area to target in an effort to save money. It's only our security he's talking about.

Meanwhile, Bush pisses away how many trillion dollars?, and dirty bomb material has been brought across the border in a "security test" by P*rn-Loving Homeland Security. Seems we have some deeply troubling problems besides which single target location to keep bomb-making materials.

And, just let me guess which construction firm would get the contract to build the facilities? Maybe they could build it in New Orleans, right next to the faulty dykes and casinos in the property they've assimilated since the Great American Land Grab.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:51 AM
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11.  my thought, too---one big target with one huge nuke explosion rendering
one huge part of the country uninhabitable. Wonder which part of the country this facility will be built in? My guess: Nevada, next to the Yucca Mt. Alaska's another possibility.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:39 AM
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7. Now just wait a damn minute! We have to have nukes to fry Jerusalem
before Armageddon. And just where do you think Iran is going to get its nukes for this if we don't make more newer and better nukes... are you trying to impede progress toward their lofty goal of ending the world rapture?
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:41 AM
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8. Bush's push for new nukes
flies in the face of any talk against holding back Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Our reliance on any rhetoric about nonproliferation in other countries has to be matched by adherence to our part of the bargain -- the gradual phaseout of our own arsenal.

But the Boy Prince has never been one to find nobility in honoring historic pacts with the rest of the world.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:46 AM
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10. Why nukes when our biggest threat is supposed to be cavemen
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 08:48 AM by Sinti
and bands of roving terrorists living in the Philippine jungles and such? This just doesn't make sense, unless we intend to attack, or at least scare the bejezus out of, some other first world nations. And to think when the Soviet Union fell some of us believed peace had broken out all over :(

Edited for grammar
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:53 AM
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12. anyone familiar with the nuclear non proliferation treaty(ies)?
Does this comply?

How are we going to pay for this? Oh, that's right the free lunch republicans pretend there is never any cost - and shrug at the idea that our children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren will be paying for all of this.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:56 AM
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15. as long as the repukes' children/greatgrands get their inheritance in the
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 08:59 AM by wordpix
billions, who cares what the costs are to future generations?

They never think about their grandchildren living in a burned out wreck of a nuclear wasted nation with radioactive soil and contaminated air, food and water. These people need to be imprisoned, and fast, before they carry out anymore of their evil, insane plans.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 09:05 AM
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18. Treaties are for wimps. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 10:08 AM
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20. bush unilateraly abrogated the treaty
here's Jimmy Carter on this:

"The United States is the major culprit in this erosion of the NPT." he wrote. "While claiming to be protecting the world from proliferation threats in Iraq, Libya, Iran and North Korea, American leaders not only have abandoned existing treaty restraints but also have asserted plans to test and develop new weapons, including antiballistic missiles, the earth-penetrating "bunker buster" and perhaps some new "small" bombs. They also have abandoned past pledges and now threaten first use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states."

http://www.deficientbrain.blogspot.com/2006/04/jimmy-carter-us-nuke-danger.html
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:53 AM
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13. K&R!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:54 AM
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14. They plan on a blast in Nevada in JUNE! I thought
they voted against this?!?!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:58 AM
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16. 700 ton bomb explosion planned but supposedly it's not a nuke
There's a DU thread on this somewhere...
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:59 AM
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17. not a nuke... phew... but I'm still concerned - they want to test to see
how big a nuclear "bunker buster" they'd need to build to destroy bunkers.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 09:11 AM
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19. How far from Yucca?
isn't that a bit unwise? Do a big blast to show our power... and create potential structural damage to the intended national nuke-refuse dump?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 10:08 AM
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21. Ah yes, the "Dense Pack" idea is revealed by yet another stupid President.
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 10:24 AM by sofa king
Back in 1982, Ronald Reagan pushed the aptly named "http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,923082,00.html">Dense Pack" idea. The plan was simple: first, spend a couple billion dollars developing a new nuclear missile and the warheads to go with it; then, put them all in the exact same place; next, when nuclear war happens, sit back and wait for a single Soviet 58 megaton bomb to be ground burst in the middle of your Dense Pack, creating a crater a mile deep and a couple dozen miles wide, destroying them all before they can be launched.

That was Reagan's first big idea in the nuclear deterrence credibility game, and it was stupid. So is this idea, for the same reason: it guards against one threat while offering a severe vulnerability to another threat.

By the exact same flawed reasoning, on December 7, 1941, all our planes at Pearl Harbor and in the Philippines were parked wingtip to wingtip to guard against saboteurs. Not a single saboteur got to the planes, but Japanese planes overhead destroyed damn near all of them.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 11:41 AM
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22. slipping . . .
April 6, 2006

Strange How This Generation Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

by Ron Fullwood

Bush's nuclear hawks stepped out from behind their Trojan Horses today and revealed a frightening ambition to yoke the nation to a new legacy of imperialism. They want the ability to produce 125 new nuclear bombs a year by 2022. How did it come to this?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_060406_strange_how_this_gen.htm

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:45 PM
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23. slipped . . .
Nuclear Plan Includes Making New Bombs
by UPI Wire
Apr 6, 2006

WASHINGTON, April 6, 2006 (UPI) -- The new nuclear plan of the Untied States not only calls for modernizing facilities but also making new bombs, says a report.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_21213385.shtml
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US blueprint for 125 nuclear bombs a year

April 7, 2006

THE Bush Administration has unveiled a blueprint for rebuilding the US's decrepit nuclear weapons complex, including restoration of a large-scale bomb manufacturing facility.

http://smh.com.au/news/world/us-blueprint-for-125-nuclear-bombs-a-year/2006/04/06/1143916656000.html
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Plan Unveiled For Rebuilding U.S. Nuclear Arms Complex

4/6/2006

The Bush administration on Wednesday unveiled a blueprint for rebuilding the United States' decrepit nuclear weapons complex, including restoration of a large-scale bomb manufacturing capacity.

http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=2a75bb54-24f2-4bfe-8a49-ca5433c89db6
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US to push for South Asian moratorium on nuclear weapons: Rice (AFP)

Thu Apr 6, 2:17 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice said the United States would push for a South Asian moratorium on nuclear weapons production to ease tensions between India and Pakistan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060406/ts_afp/usindiapakistan




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