DOUBTERS and NAYSAYERS - Fibby/Plame

[stop the bleeding]

The MSM has been quick to point out that the Court Docs from yesterday's Libby hearing only say that B*sh authorized Libby/Cheney to leak classified information about Iraq not Plame. Well the thing the MSM is so NOT disclosing is the Intel report that had the leaked Iraq data was also laced with Intel about Plame's covert status. So any blind monkey could infer what was leaked and what wasn't. Especially when considering why this was leaked, according to the Docs this was in rebuttal/to bolster the WH's WMD claims against Wilson's article/attack.

If people actually take the time to read the 39 page PDF they will see that this leak is very important in regards to Plame's covert status.


Do not be led astray by the MSM on this, it's all in the pudding(court filings).

[myrna minx]

1. So the poisoning of the well begins.

:grr: Thanks for your analysis.

[paul_fromatlanta]

2. I have not seen where it says classified but only sensitive

maybe its in the pdf and not the MSM though

[Vinnie From Indy]

3. It's like, we didn't steal votes last election, we found 'em.

The other tactic will be to say that this is all so complicated, a tangled ball of string that no person could understand. Don't waste your time, move on.

[drm604]

4. Where's the PDF?

Do you have a link?

[seemslikeadream]

9. here

http://www.nysun.com/30561.pdf



The Disinformatiom Press.

[stop the bleeding]

11. here are the links for all 3 PDF's

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x860418

[magnolia]

5. To the average "know nothing" citizen...

...who doesn't know or care who Plame is...wouldn't leaking classified information about Iraq be a much bigger issue???

[seemslikeadream]

6. THANKS

:hi:

The Disinformatiom Press.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

7. freaking david ensor (cnn) is the worst of the lot....

i'm still steaming from what he just said. "libby didn't break the law. he was given the name by the president and the president can declassify anything he wants."

i'm turning off cnn for the rest of the day. I only listen to it if they're beating up on bush.

[oasis]

19. Bush has to explain why he didn't have a clue who leaked Plame's identity.

This is another indictment on his waning credibility.

[kpete]

8. what a morning

stay on it...
As Stop the bleeding says - Read the PDF:http://www.nysun.com/30561.pdf


CNN corrects CIA leak allegation

RAW STORY
Published: Thursday April 6, 2006

CNN errantly reported that according to grand jury testimony, president Bush had directly authorized Vice President Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby to leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

CNN corrected the claim to more accurately reflect the content of the testimony, noting that it was Vice President Dick Cheney who Libby testified had told him the President had ok'ed the leak of classified information relating to pre-war intelligence. This means the President did not directly, by Libby's account, authorize him to leak classified information.

Nowhere in Libby's testimony does he claim that the Vice President or the President authorized him specifically to leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

However, according to Libby's testimony, Cheney did authorize leak of classified information claiming that Bush himself had given the go-ahead.

Libby, has been indicted for conspiracy and lying to federal investigators regarding the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

The report was made and corrected live on air.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/CNN_corrects_CIA_leak_allegation_0406.html

READ THE PDF!!!
http://www.nysun.com/30561.pdf

[clu]

10. mmm

court-filing pudding

[suffragette]

12. Two large rivers are converging

One being Fitzpatrick's investigation and the other being the Administration's attempt to build a case for a Unitary Executive.
The rule of law and the Constitution or the shift to complete authoritarian takeover.

For the sake of our future, may Fitzgerald prevail.

[Coexist]

15. oh blessed confluence...

nice analogy.

[suffragette]

25. I think this us one of the main reasons they've been

pressing the Unitary Executive stance. They've known this would probably be coming because they know what they did. The only question for them was if Fitzgerald would catch it and nail them for it. Once they saw he was heading in that direction, they started openly proclaiming they have that power in other areas, in part because they want it there, but also to try to head off what is now coming out.

But Fitzgerald has been building the case carefully and strongly. I'm counting on him to win.

[AuntiBush]

17. Here, Here...

significantly serious and pivotal moment here.

[katty]

22. yes, he must!

[glitch]

26. Well said. nt

[kpete]

13. CNN

FILING: LIBBY SAYS CHENEY AUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE OF INTELL INFO ON IRAQ

TO JUSTIFY WAR IN IRAQ

ENSOR:
VP told Libby that President authorized leak

Libby says Cheney told him Bush authorized the leak

President does have right to decide

BUT IT DOES SHOW that campaign against Plame was directed from the top

HE DID AUTHORIZE THAT CERTAIN PORTIONS OF CLASSIFED DOC BE DECLASSIFIED


and just now 10:08 pst

Journalists asks Bush
NO ANSWER

[stop the bleeding]

14. Yep the spin/sh*t is getting deep

Kick!

[hwmnbn]

33. The problems for the chimp are .......

HE DID AUTHORIZE THAT CERTAIN PORTIONS OF CLASSIFED DOC BE DECLASSIFIED

He only declassified those portions of the NIE that helped make the case for war. Other portions of the same NIE argued against the war. Those portions were NOT declassified.

Also he didn't make the declassified portion public information. That portion was surreptitiously given to Judy Miller. That is a leak, no matter how you slice it.

[AuntiBush]

16. Thank...........You!

For clearing that up, stop the bleeding. Shew.

[oasis]

18. Sen. Kerry will appear on MSNBC's "Hardball" today. He will surely

focus on Bush's deceiving the American public when he said Sept. 30 2003"If somebody leaked, I want to know who it is".

Since Joe Wilson worked on the Kerry/Edwards campaign, Kerry should have all the skinny on the Plame leak.

Kerry is supposed to talk about his plan for Iraq but since MSNBC's David Shuster broke today's Libby leak story, JK will surely be asked to give his opinion.

[yodermon]

20. Is there a link for this statement from your post:

the Intel report that had the leaked Iraq data was also laced with Intel about Plame's covert status

because I have been hearing this all morning, and am confused, becuase I thought these were separate and distinct pieces of info. Thanks.

[stop the bleeding]

21. here is a link for all 3 PDF's from yesterday's hearing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x860418


This leaking of classified Iraq Intel was in direct response to Wilson's article questioning the WH's claims of Uranium Intel. The NEI along with the Iraq Intel had information as to what Plame's covert status was, also take into account Miller's testimony from last year. On the same days that are in question about Libby's leaking(s) she and him have breakfast and she makes notes on Plame/Flame or variations of Plame's name. Also Libby admits he was Ok's to leak to Miller and Woodward, where did Miller get her notes about Plame on the same days as Libby was leaking information out of Document that had classified info on Iraq and Plame.

The media is spinning this right now, because it is not in print as far as what I have inferred, I hope that I have not confused you but this is it in a nutshell unless I missed something.

2+2 = 4

[troubleinwinter]

23. I did not know this:

"the Intel report that had the leaked Iraq data was also laced with Intel about Plame's covert status"

[stop the bleeding]

24. see here from Roger Morris at counterpunch - good Plame time line

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:RajaUXFaeDcJ:www.counterpunch.org/morris07272005.html+Rice+on+Air+Force+one+to+Africa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13

Read the whole article, but the important parts that answer your question start in the date range of June/03 to mid July/03 - it is all about the INR memo which is based on notes from Feb/02 - it's all there about Plame's status - this INR memo would become the NEI breifing.

Now look at the links for the PDF's from yesterdays' filing - see page 15 - see the witnesses/players - these are the same people indicated in the time line alluded to in the Morris article above.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=860418&mesg_id=860418

This is all of the same information with the same leak.

I would have to spend more time to provide better links and summary but this is it.

[troubleinwinter]

27. Thanks. Interesting reading, timeline is helpful.

[stop the bleeding]

28. correction on the INR - it would become a footnote to the NIE

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:XwvRFlFgE9gJ:www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/21/101119/905+NIE+INR+libby+plame+Ari&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:EebArASO0swJ:news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0330nj1.htm+NIE+INR+libby+plame+Ari&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

[Catherine Vincent]

29. I'm just glad that Fitz is on the case.

That's all that matters.

[malaise]

30. Schumer on CNN now n/t

[Trevelyan]

31. K&R and bookmarked. See FireDogLake.com for a former prosecutor's

take on this...it will make you happy.

[Trevelyan]

32. Hinchey Statement On Revelation That President Bush Authorized Leak

Hinchey Statement On Revelation That President Bush Authorized Leak Of Classified Information To Bolster Administration's Public Case For War
Washington, D.C. 4/5/2006

- Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) today released the following statement in response to news reports that President Bush authorized Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, to disclose highly classified (full story...)

Some encouraging news on Fitzgerald's investigating Niger forgeries on Rep
Hinchey's website:

http://www.house.gov/hinchey/

=="If what Scooter Libby said to the grand jury is true, then this latest development clearly reveals yet again that the CIA leak case goes much deeper than the disclosure of a CIA agent's identity to the press...

[stop the bleeding]

34. more on the NIE and the INR here

more on the INR and NIE here at

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_mjOsVbkl6AJ:firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_05_firedoglake_archive.html+Could+Cheney+Declassify+the+NIE+plame+inr+firedoglake&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

I you have to scroll down at least a 5th of the page you'll see,

and also this on how the INR came into being by Roger Morris

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:RajaUXFaeDcJ:www.counterpunch.org/morris07272005.html+counterpunch+rice+INR+NIE+plame&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[bush_is_wacko]

35. I'm well aware of that but the thing I can't get away from is the"He said,

He said" nature of the words Libby used. I think it was carefully designed to protect the pResident from the specific charge of direct knowledge. * can fire Cheney as the leaker and claim he did not authorize any such "leak."

I wish I hadn't been witness to the last 6 years of American history. Maybe I wouldn't be such a pessimists had I not seen for myself how easy it seems for these criminals to worm their way out of things.