Those Mormon kiddie sodomizers? AZ is up in arms

[warrens]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0402bennett02.html

A great story (it's not sexual assault because they don't think these men were homosexual? WTF? Does that mean if I was gay I could sodomize any little girl I ran into because I'm not heterosexual???? WTF???) but the comments are incredible. Read and get REALLY REALLY PISSED that this Repuke scumbag is being allowed to skate.

If I were a parent of one of these punks' victims, I'd sue them for millions and get every penny they ever earn for the rest of their lives.

[SteppingRazor]

1. If I were the parent of one of the victims...

I'd probably wind up doing life in prison.

[brentspeak]

2. Why are you making this a "Mormon" issue?

I'm not a Mormon -- but, what does their religion have to do with this?

[Horse with no Name]

3. If I am not mistaken

One aspect of the leniency was because one of the perv's was Mormon and getting ready to go on his mission.

[bryant69]

5. Do you have a source on that?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[bryant69]

9. Sorry - yes that's part of the story.

Sickening.

I am a Mormon, and this is terrible.

[Beaverhausen]

11. from the article:

They described Bennett as an honor student and active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, planning to go on a mission in September. "A felony conviction for assault will make his desire to complete his mission impossible," they wrote.

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[bryant69]

27. I'm sorry I missed that the first time

I apoligzie for my mistake.

[Beaverhausen]

29. No problem.

:hi:

[maine_raptor]

6. Because

IIRC (there have been a couple of threads on this before), part of the reason why they skated was that they couldn't do "missionary work" for the LDS with such a conviction.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that using your religion to "skate"?

[brentspeak]

14. I see what you mean

A lame attempt at weasling out of a conviction.

[warrens]

26. Young, white, Mormon and Repuke

You can do no wrong.

[medeak]

7. letting him off for mission

lds friends have told me some missionaries gone too long with just other fellows have been abusive....so perhaps that is the fear:

They described Bennett as an honor student and active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, planning to go on a mission in September. "A felony conviction for assault will make his desire to complete his mission impossible," they wrote.

Cadigan said allowing Bennett to go on a mission is preposterous. Both he and Wheeler need psychological counseling and should be in a place where their actions, particularly among children, can be observed, she said.

[Faygo Kid]

10. Part of the accused's defense

Apparently one of the arguments for letting them go is that at least one of them would be barred, because of a felony conviction, from doing the Mormon missionary work they are obligated to do at that age. Since it is being used as a defense to let them off the hook, in this instance, it's fair game. For them to use their religion as a defense against punishment is not conscionable.

[brentspeak]

23. My mistake, warrens -- you were correct to add the Mormon angle

because they were hiding behind their missionary duties.

[ThomCat]

4. I'm going to be sick.

So gay people can get longer sentences for the same crime simply because they're gay? That is what they're saying, right?

And because these guys are straight it's okay. It's just hazing. So they can get a slap on the wrist, instead of years in jail.

I don't think those young boys cared whether or not their attackers were gay. They only cared that things were being shoved up their asses repeatedly by these bastards.
:grr:

[patcox2]

15. "For purposes of sexual gratification" is an element of the crime.

That they are not homosexual is just evidence of whether they did it for sexual gratification.

Back to the beginning. Sexual assault crimes generally have a requirement that the act committed was done for the purpose of sexual gratification. For example, if a man drops his trousers for the purpose of relieving himself, thats not sexual assault, but if he does it because he gets off on showing his privates to little girls, that is sexual assualt. If I am mad at you and punch you and hit you in the boobs, that is not sexual assualt, its plain old assault, but if I grab your boob because it gets me off, that is sexual assault.

Here, it appears that their defense was that they did not penetrate them with a flashlight for sexual purposes, they did it for torture purposes only. Torturing someone is assault, but not sexual assault. Therefore, the fact that they are not gay is being used as evidence that they had no sexual intent in their actions.

[XemaSab]

17. So they didn't do it for sexual gratification,

they just did it for sadistic purposes, and that makes it okay??? :banghead:

[readmoreoften]

24. Did somebody measure their hardons during this procedure.

Who can prove arousal? It's enough that they were penetrating the anuses of these boys. It's not like they were punching them in the stomach and-- oops-- their fist slipped up these little boys rectums.

They could've hazed them by punching them in the gut or the jaw. Tying them to trees and applying Chinese water torture. But they fucked them in the ass? That's sexual.

[Saphire]

yeah, I think that's what they are saying. Only a "gay" would get

any enjoyment out of shoving broom handles up a childs rear. For straights, it's just a harmless prank. I figure as a missionary he will carry his "pranks" all over the country, so other little boys can be in on the fun, too. :sarcasm:

[Joanne98]

8. And O'Reilly hasn't said a peep about this judge! Nor has Fox!

[madrchsod]

12. sick fucks should be prison bitch`s for the of their lives

but i guess it`s ok since they are going to do "gods work"..wait a minute isn`t there a big hearing today about perdators and child porn?

[Rabrrrrrr]

13. Holy shit! So if I rape a child, I just call it "hazing" or "punishment"

and I'm off free and clear!

Not a bad deal.

Or is that only if I'm a republican, and if my dad is Senate President?

[rniel]

16. If that sonofabitch wants to go on his mission

We should follow him around to every door he knocks on and tell the people he's talking to that he participated in sodomizing 18 boys. You think he would get many mormon recruits?

[Beaverhausen]

18. A parent of one of the victims left this comment below the article

"I know you all are curious to hear from a parent of one of the victims so here goes-in answer to Lees6209-the incident was not reported for 6 months because my son repressed the memories. It was too embarrassing for him to talk about until it suddenly came out when the female members of his student council were saying how much fun Leadership Camp was. He hated it for obvious reasons. As a law abiding citizen I felt it was our duty to report it. As a parent, I wish I was able to take justice into my own hands. The only way these boys will have closure is if Bennett & Wheeler do jail time. Probation won't mean a thing to these 18 young boys. I thank all of you for your concern. My son is in counseling & we are trying to move forward. He is a bright young man & will survive with the love & strength from his family."

[Hardrada]

19. I wonder if they were hoping to be interns

in Homeland Security or in the AG office. Seems like a good fit.

[SiouxJ]

20. County attorney says it wasn't sodomy

Yavapai County attorney Sheila Polk from Prescott's newspaper (The Daily Courier) yesterday:

The public has received a lot of misinformation about the Bennett and Wheeler case from the media. By SHEILA POLK Special to the Courier

Simply and somewhat graphically put, the defendants would use a broom stick or flashlight and push it into the crevice of campers' buttocks over their clothes. Sometimes someone held the victims down and sometimes not. There is absolutely no evidence that this was done with a sexual motivation. No penetration occurred, either in the anus or rectum. The victims were not secreted away to a hiding spot while this was done to them. It was done in front of the other campers. In fact, several photographs were taken by other campers. This is hardly the work of sexual predators. Rather, it is the work of two young men repeatedly making poor decisions. We all have heard reports of this sort of thing throughout the United States over many years: hazing gone wrong.


http://prescottdailycourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=12&SubSectionID=25&ArticleID=39279&TM=49412.91

She is saying it's not bad enough to warrant all this attention. I still think it's BAD but don't expect much to be done about it because of Ken Bennett's clout in this area.

[brentspeak]

31. I did a search. This county attorney is a Republican

Sheila Polk, Yavapai County Attorney General, elected in 2000, and reelected in 2004 on the Republican ticket:

http://www.co.yavapai.az.us/Elections/2004/1102/Issues.asp


Of course, the fact that Arizona Senate president Ken Bennett, father of one of the convicted perverts, is also a Republican has absolutely nothing at all to do with Polk's amazing rationalization of these crimes.... :sarcasm:

{Isn't a prosecuter supposed to prosecute the accused,and not defend them???)

[brentspeak]

21. s/d

[Dogmudgeon]

22. What the hell is going on in this world?

I can understand the increased use of phrases with the words "ass" and "butt" in normal conversation. I can understand the hundred-or-so songs about "boo-tay". I can understand spanking as a form of sexual play between consenting partners.

And sometimes, I can even understand Howard Stern.

But a form of anal torture inflicted on children? For no particular reason other than for the "counselors" to assert their authority?

The fact that the perp is being shown special mercies is almost beside the point. What has happened to this nation, to this world, that sexualized violence has become a normal expression of social intercourse? It's enough to make the prison-rape cheering here seem sane.

I have to go take a long, long shower now.

--p!

[Reciprocity]

25. Looks like they are taking a leaf out of the ...

priest child abuse case and are passing him on down the food chain. God help his next innocent victims

[JanMichael]

28. Oh my gawd this is some twisted shit! A parent got a LETTER and did...

...nothing????

From this disgusting filty story:

"But parents say there were signs something bad happened. In a letter home to his mom, a 12-year-old boy described his experience:

"I don't like our counselors when their (sic) talking about shoving broomsticks up our butts," the boy said."

SIGNS??? Broom STICKS UP ASSHOLES ARE A SIGN OF PEOPLE SHOVING BROOMSTICKS UP ASSHOLES!!!!!!

This is a retarded fucking nation.

How can I SCREAM into the ear of that dumbshit???

[TheBaldyMan]

30. Have you read the police reports?

The didn't sodomise the kids but it does stink to high heaven. It was a sexual assault, using the 'they were clothed at the time' excuse won't wash in court.

The three junior councillors at the camp were all involved and complicit in the crime. They should all face charges and should be subject to a thorough psychological assessment before, or indeed if ever, any of them are allowed near kids again.

The fly in the ointment is the fact that the main culprit in the case is the son of the President of the AZ senate.