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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:51 PM
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OK, is it a "High Crime" or is it "Treason"?
We need to be communicating with our representatives. If they do nothing, they are complicit.

Have any of you talked with your reps yet? How did they react?


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:52 PM
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1. Or all of the above.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:53 PM
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2. Both
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:54 PM
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3. Treason has specific definition...
AND requires two witnesses. Gonna be hard to prove under the best of circumstances.

Article III, Section 3:

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:03 PM
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7. Libby could be one witness. The leak did give aid and comfort to
our enemies because it hampered our anti WMD efforts and put our assets in the field at risk.

Spying is an act of war, and if bush has been spying on the American people, especially those who oppose him, then I would say he is levying war against us.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:54 PM
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4. treason is a high crime.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:02 PM
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5. Plame was Treason.. it interfered with an active terrorist investigation
that investigation was leading directly to Chaney's involvement into the Distribution of WMD technology and the tools and materials to produce them.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:27 PM
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11. Bush said he would fire anyone who leaked Plame's identity.
OK, looks like it is time to fire bush.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:03 PM
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6. Ask Poppy
He should be the best one to answer, since he said before that it was a crime . . .
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:08 PM
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8. It is
both and it is also :popcorn: time as I sit back and look forward to the feast before me.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:17 PM
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9. They're saying if bush releases classified info, it becomes
declassified. Still he betrayed us and because of his betrayal he has murdered tens of thousands of innocent people.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:26 PM
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10. The President is NOT authorized
From Executive Order 13292
Sec. 6.2. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall supersede any requirement made by or under the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended, or the National Security Act of 1947, as amended. "Restricted Data" and "Formerly Restricted Data" shall be handled, protected, classified, downgraded, and declassified in conformity with the provisions of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended, and regulations issued under that Act.

(b) The Attorney General, upon request by the head of an agency or the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office, shall render an interpretation of this order with respect to any question arising in the course of its administration.

(c) Nothing in this order limits the protection afforded any information by other provisions of law, including the Constitution, Freedom of Information Act exemptions, the Privacy Act of 1974, and the National Security Act of 1947, as amended. This order is not intended to and does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, officers, employees, or agents. The foregoing is in addition to the specific provisos set forth in sections 3.1(b) and 5.3(e) of this order."

(d) Executive Order 12356 of April 6, 1982, was revoked as of October 14, 1995.

link: http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html

Then an excerpt from the National Security Act of 1947 as ammended:

TITLE VI - PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION

PROTECTION OF IDENTITIES OF CERTAIN UNITED STATES UNDERCOVER
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, AGENTS, INFORMANTS, AND SOURCES

SEC. 601. <50 U.S.C. 421> (a) Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(c) Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than three years or both.

(d) A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.


http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/national-security-act/1947-act.html
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:38 PM
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12. We need to become the media on this.
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