It IS happening right NOW.

[debbierlus]

I know...

Five years of this lying, thieving, criminal, sack of crap....

But, it IS happening.

I am not saying tomorrow Bush will be impeached.

But, Bush is in SERIOUS trouble with the Plame leak.

Because, he lied and lied and lied and lied and lied....page after page after page on the record...

Stating it was a serious matter...

A criminal investigation.

Leaker should be FIRED.

This could be the one that sends the Republicans running for political cover. The one that will push them to make Bush their sacrificial lamb for the 06 election.

[monarch]

1. Either that or his loyal staff lied to him

so he is not the type of commander in chief we want to go to bettle with or he is INCOMPETENT.

[BuyingThyme]

2. There's something else to this. It seems that

the neo-cons are attempting to finger Bush in order to force Bush into covering for the neo-cons.

[glitch]

5. I think you are correct. Layers upon layers.nt

[Catamount]

24. Yes I agree! n/t

[boobooday]

7. Yes, that sounds very plausible

They probably told him while he was semi-unconscious, "hey Dubya, we're gonna tell Novak that Wilson's wife is NOC" and he mumbled and rolled over and they gave each other the thumbs up. Butts covered.

These guys are total backstabbers, they pretend loyalty but it is more like omerta.

[SeattleGirl]

16. "There is no loyalty among thieves"

Nor among liars.

[debbierlus]

43. I think it is the rats are turning on each other

You are dead on right.

Cover their own azzez.

Sing like a canary, if it will save their own sorry behind.

[ContraBass Black]

3. It's always "happening."

I'll believe it when I see the handcuffs.

[novalib]

9. Me, Too...BUT

I'll believe it when I see the nadcuffs, too.

On the other hand, every thing that helps to get him into handcuffs is a astep along the way.

This is a good thing.

[Lance_Boyle]

22. oh, please!

Little lord shrubya would have to grow a pair before they could slap the nadcuffs on him. ;-)

[novalib]

23. Nadcuffs?

Did I really type that?

Freud must have been right about those slips!

I meant "handcuffs"......and I didn't change it above. I kind of like the thought of Bush in nadcuffs!

[VaYallaDawg]

26. Nadcuffs!!!!! Love it.

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

30. Are they padded with the Presidential Seal....like his boots?

have to be padded to grab onto the little nubs...that have to be up in the body cavity... reflex reaction of having them kicked, by this revelation.

[northofdenali]

42. LMAO

:rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

49. Padded? I don't think so.

[VaYallaDawg]

50. Jeff! Ouchhhhh!

That pic hurts to look at!!!:rofl:

[helderheid]

27. OMG!!

:spray: :rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

33. I was going to compliment you on coining a new word ...

I thought you'd typed that intentionally. :rofl:

[helderheid]

38. I'm sure we'll be seeing that word more often! :) I still giggle when

I look at it!

[myrna minx]

34. Welcome to DU.

:hi: Thanks for the giggle.

[ms liberty]

41. I like that one! Welcome to DU! n/t

[helderheid]

4. I felt he would be Diebolded in in 2004, and he was. I also felt he

had until 2006 and then he'd be impeached or resign. Just a feeling I had. I was disappointed I was right about 2004 but would be thrilled if I was right again.

[oldtime dfl_er]

6. you and me both!

All the more reason to take back the House this fall.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/760823

[glitch]

8. Me too, except I felt he would resign for "health reasons".

Things are happening too fast, don't know what I feel now. Other than our side is making it's move. All we need is one hand, and their shot at the moon fails, utterly.

{{{Must leave computer and walk dogs (I always get my best insights walking)}}}

[helderheid]

11. Glad I wasn't the only one who had that feeling!

[glitch]

20. I also knew things would start to implode for them summer of 2005. HOWEVER

I did think Bush would decline a lot faster than he has. I think his doctors refined his mix of pharmaceuticals very well indeed.

[electropop]

17. For 2 years I've been predicting August 2006 as his departure date.

I stand by that bet.

[helderheid]

18. High five!

[tavalon]

48. Why August 6th?

Other than the other famous August 6th, I don't see the significance. It will be before we get the congress back so he won't be leaving via impeachment and I don't see him as the type to volunteer to go, you know?

[stopbush]

10. It has certainly knocked the "Delay resignation helps Rs" meme off the TV.

Ha!

[LeftNYC]

12. not if the media doesnt care

it is important to us because we know the truth, but try to convince some religious nut in Nebraska of the truth.

[AValdoux]

13. I'm too cynical...

...the system remains in place just the names & faces will change. I hate to say it but things will have to get much worse for the average joe for there to be any real changes. We have to start with campaign finance reform. Its the system not the politicians that is broke.


AValdoux

[MasonJar]

14. The discouraging thing to me is that time after time Bush has been

found culpable of atrocities and just keeps going like the Energizer bunny. Why? Pugs control everything, including the media.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

15. the mysterious 30-odd % of America

that still backs Bush also believe that:

1) Plame was not truly undercover at the time of her "outing"

2) that the President has the power to de-classify anything he wants, whenever he wants


Amazingly, unless this escalates considerably, it will not affect his base support.

[helderheid]

19. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[huskerlaw]

21. Sorry to rain on your parade, but

read the court documents. Bush is only in serious trouble if the document he "declassified" mentioned Valerie Plame. Nothing in the court papers prove that.

There is still no link between Bush and Plame. All the court document said was that Bush told Libby he could disclose the information in a certain document. Libby did so. During that conversation, Libby mentioned Plame.

It however, does NOT say that Libby got the information about Plame from the document that Bush authorized him to discuss.

In other words, it could be a case of "Hey, Miller, Bush gave me this piece of paper. See? Iraq WAS trying to buy yellow cake uranium! And oh, by the way, X told me that Wilson's wife is a CIA agent." See what I'm saying?

Of course it is possible that Wilson was mentioned in the document. If so...goldmine! My point being, there is no solid evidence in the court document to support that assumption.

*edit: name confusion

[helderheid]

25. Did Libby say Bush allowed the leak of Plame?

[huskerlaw]

28. No

Libby said Bush allowed the leak of a specific document. He did NOT say whether or not that document mentioned Valerie Plame.

[helderheid]

29. but it may contain her name, right? We just haven't seen the

document to know for certain?

[huskerlaw]

31. Yes, it might

I'm just saying that the information we were given today doesn't warrant proclamations of the death of BushCo.

Which really isn't that surprising. When you think about it, is Fitz really going to drop a bomb like that on page 23 of an otherwise bland, procedural court document? Hardly.

[helderheid]

32. thanks for your calm and clear explanation - I appreciate it!

[huskerlaw]

46. You're very welcome!

BTW, I didn't have a chance to say this to you before, but thank you so much for organizing the roses for Helen Thomas...that was SO excellent!

[AndyA]

37. I think that might be exactly the way he does it.

There might be something bigger. This just gets the information out there. There might be more. More defining. More incriminating. Just wait, there is more to come.

[DearAbby]

36. The Leak of Plame is important

Bush is in trouble for misleading the country...he lied or lead the country to believe he knew nothing about the leak...when in fact he authorized it. Not once, but repeatedly. He lied to the American people. He lied about the the lead up to war. Authorized this leak to cover the fact ...HE KNEW THERE WERE NO WMD IN IRAQ.

[huskerlaw]

47. I agree with you

honestly, I do. All I'm saying is that the court document is NOT the golden bullet. It doesn't say that Bush leaked Plame's name. It says that Bush leaked a document, whose contents remain unclear.

It's possible that the leaked document is the key. But we don't KNOW that yet, because we don't know what it said. All we know is that during the conversation in which Libby and Miller discussed the document that Bush "declassified," Libby also mentioned Plame. We still don't know for sure where he got that information. Sure, I think it's Bush and/or Cheney, but we don't have legally acceptable proof of that yet. Fitz very well might, but we don't.

I'm just saying that a celebration is premature.

[bigmonkey]

35. Is anyone else seeing this pattern?

I've noticed recently that Republican politicians are tending more and more to resign before the term is up, even when not forced. That allows them to always be running an incumbent. I can't be sure, but it looks like it's an intentional process. A presidential resignation any time now would fit that pattern. What do they care, after all? It's the money and connections to power, not real patriotism or a desire to be of help that motivates them. Anybody else seeing any indication of this?

[cartach]

39. Don't ---

hold your breath.Something else will pop up as a diversion.Democrats are hindered by their low attention span and the Repubs have taken full advantage,time after time.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

40. there have been too many "This is Its" for me

I'm done. These people are demonspawn surrounded by a forcefield of satan-plasma-energy as far as I'm concerned.

[debbierlus]

44. Hitler fell. Bush will, too.

It can never come soon enough.

But, it is coming.

Take heart.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

45. i appreciate your optimism. I don't share it but I certainly appreciate

it.
:toast: