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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 05:54 PM
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NEW LEOPOLD ARTICLE: "Evidence Suggests White House Conspiracy"
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM by WilliamPitt
Evidence Suggests White House Conspiracy
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Thursday 06 April 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald stated in a court filing late Wednesday in the CIA leak case that his investigators have obtained evidence during the course of the two-year-old probe that proves several White House officials conspired to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a critic of the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence.

This is the first time the special counsel has acknowledged that White House officials are alleged to have engaged in a coordinated effort to undercut the former ambassador's credibility by disseminating classified intelligence information that would have contradicted Wilson's public statements.

Fitzgerald's court filing was made in response to attorneys representing I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, who was indicted on five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to investigators related to his role in the leak, who are desperately trying to obtain evidence from the government to prove Libby did not intentionally lie to the grand jury when he was asked how he found out about Plame Wilson and whether he shared that information with the media.

Furthermore, Libby's attorneys have argued that they are entitled to the evidence in order to prove Libby was not engaged in a "plot" to discredit Wilson. But Fitzgerald said he does not have evidence that would prove that theory. Instead, Fitzgerald said the evidence he has obtained proves there was a coordinated effort by White House officials to discredit Wilson.

"There exist documents, some of which have been provided to defendant and there were conversations in which defendant participated, that reveal a strong desire by many, including multiple people in the White House, to repudiate Mr. Wilson before and after July 14, 2003.

Although Fitzgerald makes it abundantly clear that Libby is not charged with conspiracy, he argues that Libby's suggestion that no there was no White House plot to discredit Wilson is ludicrous given the amount of evidence Fitzgerald has in his possession that suggests otherwise.

"Once again, defendant ignores the fact that he is not charged with participating in any conspiracy, much less one defined as a "White House-driven plot to punish Mr. Wilson," the filing states. "Moreover, given that there is evidence that other White House officials with whom defendant spoke prior to July 14, 2003, discussed Wilson's wife's employment with the press both prior to, and after, July 14, 2003 - which evidence has been shared with defendant - it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to "punish" Wilson."

MORE: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040606R.shtml
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 05:56 PM
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1. Thank you Mr. Pitt.
I hope that you are enjoying this day.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 05:59 PM
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2. When is a conspiracy NOT a conspiracy?
(When it's a "coordinated effort.")
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:00 PM
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3. .
:tinfoilhat:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:00 PM
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4. /me passes Willbur...
3 fingers of fine single malt, a cold one to knock it back and a pack of smokes.

So, Will, good day to be alive, ain't it? ;-)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:02 PM
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5. Can I share some of whatever it was
you deleted?



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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:04 PM
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6. Another Leopold Plame/leak story
but truthout hasn't released it yet, so I jumped the gun. I will repost as soon as it is ready to roll.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:05 PM
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9. It's on truthout site now (?)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:06 PM
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11. Indeed!
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:06 PM by WilliamPitt
Reposting!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM
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12. In the meantime
maybe I'll roll something else to celebrate. I bet it's a good one.


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:08 PM
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17. Stop rolling
It's back.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:09 PM
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23. Too late now
;-)

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:10 PM
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25. Then you best not bogart
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:08 PM
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18. aaaa'nother one
just like the other one
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:02 PM
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40. You've been hanging on to it
And I sure would like a hit!

:hippie::smoke:
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:04 PM
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7. Tease.
It sounded so good, too.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:05 PM
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8. Sorry
I will repost as soon as I can.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM
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14. np, just teasing you back n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:08 PM
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19. Premature expostulation. It's such an exciting day, who can blame you?
:)

Waiting patiently.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:08 PM
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21. It's back
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:05 PM
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10. That's what they all say! How's that Hairy Bastard?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:09 PM
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24. Watching you
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:12 PM
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27. ewwwww doz eyes....
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:21 AM
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57. is that the kitty you rescued?
from the window well at school?




Cher
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM
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13. And people here wonder why Cynthia McKinney is being swiftboated!
(And some DUers are even helping them! Alas, alas.)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM
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15. Cripes is there anyway to ungreatest something? nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:09 PM
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22. Untwist your knickers
It's posted again.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:10 PM
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26. All untwisted now. Thanks.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:14 PM
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30. And wow, just wow.
Sorry about my first post but I am like so bent out of shape at this point that yes, my knickers are completely twisted and I am developing a serious rash.

Thanks for the link and the post, as always.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:07 PM
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16. This?
Evidence Suggests White House Conspiracy
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Thursday 06 April 2006

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald stated in a court filing late Wednesday in the CIA leak case that his investigators have obtained evidence during the course of the two-year-old probe that proves several White House officials conspired to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a critic of the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence.

This is the first time the special counsel has acknowledged that White House officials are alleged to have engaged in a coordinated effort to undercut the former ambassador's credibility by disseminating classified intelligence information that would have contradicted Wilson's public statements.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040606R.shtml

It's get-to-able from the Truthout front page.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:08 PM
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20. Yup
I reposted above; needed to wait until it was up on the main page.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:13 PM
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29. wooohooo!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:13 PM
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28. This is yesterday's news
someone already posted a media link on this story, but they didn't call it a "conspiracy", they wrote that Bush of course wasn't to be held responsible or some shit like that..

The media are trying to get ahead of this, tho anyone that pays attention knows a lot of this already..

Is Leopold abandoning Raw Story and moving over to Truthout or is he juggling cats like you Will, (PDA, Truthout, etc)?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:20 PM
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32. What bur is under your saddle symbolman?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:49 PM
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35. There's like 180 stories
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:51 PM by symbolman
on Google News about this..

I get tired of everyone writing the same story over and over and then its another BREATHLESS Breaking story..

Sick of all the competing for money or ego, when I want the FACTS, all the stories are basically the same, it's just whatever Hero people want to worship or villian they want to despise, I guess... it just kills me to see a story come out on AP, and then all of a sudden it's BREAKING somewhere else, I don't think that's journalism..

I get a Truthout email daily and most of the time they are begging for MONEY, I've actually dropped them because they won't promote a lot of people I know doing hard work, including myself.. and Raw Story complains about AP STEALING their work and not giving them CREDIT, but as soon as I created the Libby Defense Fund site with Buzzflash (to have people send money to "Doctors Without Borders", etc) they stuck it up on RS without giving Me any credit, so I brought it up here, not in the nicest way for sure, but I got crucified over it, by Followers..

If anyone has watched my "Rove's War" which I spent a year researching and creating, they'd see a lot of what's being dribbled out breathlesslessly here as giant 'scoops'..

That's most of the burr.. thanks for asking.

It just seemed that La La RawRAW had migrated over to Huffington and Leopold to Truthout, and I know that Will Pitt had headed off to PDA, so I asked what was up there as well..
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:42 PM
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45. Gotcha. Feel better now?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 04:49 AM
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65. Yeah, sure
but where's the beer?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:15 PM
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31. White House Conspiracy? They couldn't have gotten away with it
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:50 PM by The Backlash Cometh
for this long without the help of the Senate leaders, House leaders and paid conservative pundits, to name a few.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:21 PM
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33. i'ld like to associate myself with those remarks.
he said in his most stentorian voice.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:52 PM
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36. I wonder, what is the origin of the word "conspiracy?"
Do you suppose it has something to do with pirates who con?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:54 PM
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37. "breathing together"
IIRC
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:55 PM
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38. I like "pirates who con" better.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:12 PM
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42. lol -- good question.
even if not historically accurate -- it is certainly descriptive in this context, yes?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:16 PM
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43. That's what I'm sayin'.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:46 PM
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34. Conspiracy ?
Seems to be the case.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:01 PM
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39. PDA must be "crawling all over THIS ONE!" No?...................n/t
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:08 PM
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41. Why are you always picking on PDA?
Are they a news organization? No.

You seem to develop wonderfully deranged fixations on nonsense.

Don't bother replying. I am wasting my breath on you. Again.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:36 PM
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44. Let me tell you...unless you've closed your mind to fellow PDA'ers.
I'm a Proud Member of PDA...but I have GUILT over that I almost voted for Reagan in his second bid for Presidency. I halted myself but I WAS what some here would call a "Reagan Dem..because I DID NOT LIKE JIMMY CARTER..he did stuff that hurt us economically...and I loved the man and worked for him...but was sooooo disappointed in his Promise and what came out of it...the same with Clinton...I couldn't believe his support for NAFTA and had some grave reservations but I PARTY'd the night of his Inauguration!

Don't read this...but as a "spokesperson for PDA" one would think you would care about the organization that hired you.

If you have NO Loyalty because you have "personal differences with me" then okay...but then WHO THE HELL ARE YOU REPRESENTING?

I'm ONE OF YOU..."supposedly, Pitt." If you TRASH ME...then you trash all my fellow "GRASSROOTS DEMS."

It's sad the way you attack...I have to hope it's "misunderstanding."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:42 PM
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47. I'm not trashing you
but am instead reacting to your constant trashing of me. I cannot recall any instance where you have posted anything in my threads that was not an insult, a goad, or some sort of hare-brained attack on PDA.

I represent myself. When I am posting for PDA, you will see a PDA link. When I am posting for truthout, you will see a truthout link.

What any of this has to do with your latent guilt over Reagan, or your dislike for Clinton and Carter, utterly and completely eludes me.

As a spokesperson for PDA, I do care about the organization that hired me. But I don't get what that has to do with anything, either.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:50 PM
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49. Hairbrained....
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 07:50 PM by KoKo01
would not one wonder what that could mean? I never recall "epithets (did I spell that correctly) that I've ever directed at you....I always send you "lovies" :loveya: because I try to understand what you say because you are younger than me...:shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:58 PM
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52. THINK! THINK!!! THINK!!!! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:42 PM
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46. No......don't waste your "breath" on me...and my "Fixations on Nonsense.'
I really shouldn't have even replied to you. What kind of person would trash a fellow Du'er the way you did to me. Don't you ever think about what you say?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:43 PM
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48. Wow
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:55 PM
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51. You know you do many really good posts here on DU and many good
articles that cut to the "heart and soul" of what folks are thinking out there. I've been happy to pass a few of your articles around...YET we have such a bad history.

I would hope someday we could do an "olive branch" or a "Dove of Peace would Shadow our Souls."

Yet...there are still the epithets....all one sided.

Some folks need to pump up with "enemies" ...yet to me one should really discriminate as to who is an "enemy" to be vanquished and who could be their friend. :shrug:

I would hope one day you will see...and understand. Why would one bother....? You know ..because it's for the good of US ALL...and it's not personal...it's COLLECTIVE GOOD...that we work together...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:55 PM
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50. I am sure he meant to say "Evidence Suggests White House Coincidence"
Cuz conspiracies can't possibly exist - why, if they did conspiracy theorists wouldn't be loonies!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:35 PM
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53. Jason Leopold ROCKS!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:41 PM
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54. He does have a knack for putting together what we need to know ...
doesn't he. Kind of "cuts to the chase."
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singe Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:10 AM
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55. fitzmas in april
when i read back in the fall that fitzgerald was this guy whose father was an immigrant doorman in manhattan and that he went to one of the top franciscan private schools that you only get into based on performance and that tuition is free if you make the cut, that he doesn't "do lunch" with the fat cats, lives alone among pizza boxes and both kinds of briefs and that he got convictions against terrorists and an indictment against osama....i kinda figured he knew how to fish and cut bait with the big boys. and so now after we all figured he had melted away he chums the waters...drawing in one nice size fish, chopping it up and tossing it off the back of the boat to bring a bigger one into his net...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:20 AM
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56. Welcome to DU singe!
And Fitzy is this close to catching all the fish he needs!


:-)
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:23 AM
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58. Welcome to DU, singe.
Great post. :hi:
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singe Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 11:09 AM
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59. blushing
geez it was this great site where i first got the news yesterday as someone was maniacal enough to read the nysun....you folks are the ones who should be taking a bow, you had this story up before the major nitworks were pulling their groggy heads from their butts....my pleasure to make a contribution.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 11:18 AM
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60. DU is a wonderful resource of information.
Duer's have been working on the Plame case since 2003 therefore our archives are rich with research. Oh, here is a DU glossary. There is an amazing amount of DU shorthand typed around here, some of it is net common, but much of it is DU specific. :hi: I look forward to your future posts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:26 PM
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61. Ahh, shades of Watergate are in the air
too bad the republicans are running the show in the house and Senate.

I wonder how long the corporate owned media will keep this in the front pages?? Stories like this and there have been many, have a way of disappearing after awhile..
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:50 PM
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62. In other words they are having a case of DENIAL!!!
when something falls apart lots of times the person involved denies that it is falling apart...

Scooter is in Denial!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:54 PM
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63. WOW!
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