THE CONTENTS OF THE NIE ARE NOT THE ISSUE: BUSH COMMITTED TREASON

[berni_mccoy]

Remember the point to leaking ANY information was for one reason and one reason only. It was to discredit Joe Wilson, who spoke out because Bush used false intelligence, intelligence that BUSH KNEW was false in his State of the Union address (the 16 words).

The point of the leak was to QUIET ANY FURTHER WHISTLE-BLOWERS and CRITICS. Whether there is one leak or many, what the content of each leak was, DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is this:

Bush AUTHORIZED the ILLEGAL disclosure of classified intelligence to protect himself politically. And that, my fellow Americans, IS TREASON.

There is no way out of this for Bush except a Cowering Congress that refuses to HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Plus he also outed Brewster Jennings

thereby revealing the identity of 100's if not 1000's of other covert ops. That's Treason too.

[Sinti]

4. This was the op with eyes on WMDs in the ME and North Africa

The same WMDs they threaten us with to justify their wars of hegemony. Two birds, one stone

[acmejack]

8. Huge now given those alleged 250 Ukrainian Nukes.

A. Q. Khan, all of which was her purview. I keep suspecting something rather more sinister in this thing. It doesn't seem plausible that in the Con's carefully manipulated scheme a petty act of retaliation such as this would be their undoing.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. It may also have something to do with the 9-11 attack

which I am convinced was an inside job using weapons that only people on the inside could have access too. Also, the anthrax attack. All of this stuff is linked together somehow.

[Sinti]

17. That particular strain of anthrax belonged to our military.

It almost certainly came from Ft. Dietrich. Each strain has a unique footprint, and it was a positive match for our highly guarded stuff.

[acmejack]

18. Oh yeah, the whole anthrax thing is simply too strange

and it just went away. Which means they aren't telling us, just as with the Black boxes from the aircraft, no way that not a single one of the four survived. Im-fucking-possible, a term which I learned in the US Navy means Absolutely No Way.

[bvar22]

25. According to this source, 3 "Black Boxes" found.

"Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002."

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

It seems easy to verify. The names are there... not an anonymous source.

[Junkdrawer]

34. BushCo is a creature of the rogue CIA. Brewster Jennings was tasked...

with keeping an eye on this rogue CIA. BushCo knocked that eye out.

[EVDebs]

48. The Company is soooo compartmentalized it doesn't know WHAT it's doing

That doesn't make for a very intelligent intelligence community but it makes perfect sense if Chimpy is in charge of the circus.

[Betsy Ross]

2. Cheney takes the hit.

Bush "didn't" ok the leak.

[David Zephyr]

3. Thanks for pointing out what everyone on earth is missing.

He committed treason.

Exposing the identity of a CIA undercover operative and blowing the cover of the operative's network of associates around the world who are working on behalf of security of the United States rises to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". If it doesn't, then nothing does.

[acmejack]

5. The conversation will shift to Sandy Berger

mark my words. "It's no worse than Sandy Berger stuffing classified documents down his pants" or some variation thereof.

[Sinti]

9. True. They're always interested in what's in other people's pants n/t

[Garbo 2004]

14. Problem: court doc does not indicate that Bush authorized Plame leak.

As H20Man noted in another thread, Fitz's filing says that in Sept 2003 Bush was unaware of the role Libby had played in the disclosure of Plame's CIA employment. (Page 27 of the pdf of Fitz's filing.)

[tocqueville]

6. is death the penalty for high treason in wartime ?

just wondering...

[RC]

15. Yes, but Congress did NOT declare war.

[berni_mccoy]

19. The RW is constantly using the "We're at War" point

I don't see why we can't use it as well...

[mopinko]

24. .

after a fair trial, of course.

[bush_is_wacko]

7. Put in that light both Cheney and Bush are guilty of treason.

But I think half of the Republican party are guilty of conspiracy. Personally, I STILL don't think the traitors in control of our two houses are going to let this go to impeachment.

This story will have to remain in the spotlight long enough to overwhelm them at the polls. It is my opinion that several members of that party were involved in election fraud and they will do whatever it takes to continue to perpetrate that crime in the future.

I hope this country can recover from all this corruption but I even have my doubts about that. Even if Dem's take control in November AND take over the White House in 08' this country has a hell of an uphill battle ahead of it.

[glitch]

47. Yes - but this is a house-cleaning that is long over due. It needs doing.

It's going to be hard work, but we excel at that.

"I hope this country can recover from all this corruption but I even have my doubts about that. Even if Dem's take control in November AND take over the White House in 08' this country has a hell of an uphill battle ahead of it."

[giant_robot]

10. Too bad he didn't lie about a blowjob from a consenting adult...

...then he'd be in *real* trouble :sarcasm:

[Postman]

12. He's a disgusting excuse for a human. He is scum of the earth.

I say throw the bastard in Abu Ghraib

[Flubadubya]

13. Sorry, M$M doesn't see it that way...

and that's all that counts, you know! :sarcasm:

[carolinalady]

16. I totally agree. Nominated. n/t

[symbolman]

20. I agree

this is EXACTLY the Point, all the way down the line I might add..

Good call.

[ignatius 2]

21. Exactly No matter how hard they spin this about the executive order b/s

he sacrificed a woman's career, the safety of our nation by compromising anything related to wmds that she was working on AND the safety and most likely many lives of any agents with whom she had had direct contact.

Not to mention using the Niger story to start the war,a story that had been discredited many times and finally made public by Wilson in his efforts to show the sleeping Americans the lies this administration used to start an illegal war.

Intimidation,treason,cover ups,lies..jail time for sure and I hope somewhere in time they are made to pay for their war crimes as well.

May Bush,Chenet,Rumsfeld,Rice and the rest of the neocon traitorous bastards burn in a firy hell for all eternity with parched lips,red oozing eyes and no water anywhere to be had.

[Trevelyan]

22. The Cheney/Rumsfeld Nuclear Walmart seems a more credible motive than

Wilson and his wife.

[berni_mccoy]

23. That motive may have been at stake BECAUSE of Wilson and Plame

[populistdriven]

26. Bush could sell a truckload of hydrogen bombs to Iran and not be impeached

by this congress

[benburch]

27. AMEN.

Tell it like it is.

We need to throw him and his ENTIRE administration out on their asses NOW.

[dave123williams]

28. Treason...

# noun: a crime that undermines the offender's government
# noun: disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
# noun: an act of deliberate betrayal

Looks like it meets all three criteria...

[WiseButAngrySara]

29. I read this last night...Morning kick. Keep up the mantra! TREASON! n/t

[berni_mccoy]

30. Yes, please repeat it over and over: TREASON, TREASON, TREASON!

GWB is a TRAITOR

[w8liftinglady]

31. a caller mentioned this on Washington Journal this morning..

TREASON!

[berni_mccoy]

32. Many people here keep asking if the NIE contains Plames ID

IT DOES NOT MATTER, so I'll keep kicking this until people get it.

[maine_raptor]

35. Wait A Minute..........

I recall that a news story that the NIE DID contain info on Plame and that that it was specifically marked "NOFOR" meaning "No Foreign Dissemination".

But I do take your original point............leaking Classified Material for POLITICAL purposes is Treason.

[berni_mccoy]

36. I don't know why so many here are willing to accept the REPUKE spin on the

contents of the NIE. Unless you have SEEN the NIE, you can't say WHAT's in it, and because the Administration is at the center of the investigation, WE SURE AS HELL CAN'T TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT.

[maine_raptor]

37. I agree, but...

I have a very strong memory that there was a story out there at one time about the NIE as I described it in my last post.

The use of Classified Material for political purposes is dastardly treason, plain and simple.

It would not make any difference, what the material is about (be it Plame, the number and location of nuke warheads, or any other sensitive true national security secrets). By revealing such info, you have given aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.

[stop the bleeding]

38. "you have given aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States"

well said - now let me think who has said that before about leaks???? could it be SATAN!?!?!? - No it was B*sh

[maine_raptor]

39. That is the "Official" definition of Treason

As found in the US Constitution.

[stop the bleeding]

40. That really ups the stakes - thank you I was not aware of that - I had

only ever heard B*sh use it when talking about the leaks for the NSA Warrantless Spying program. You should start a thread with that quote as your title with links to copies of the Constitution and statements by B*sh on the NSA program it would be a good discussion, if you don't want to I may be able to put one together later today.

Peace! and thanks again

[maine_raptor]

42. Article III. - The Judicial Branch , Section 3 - Treason

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

Every American Citizen ought to read the whole thing at least once in their lifetime.

[stop the bleeding]

44. start a thread it would make for a great discussion

thank you

[onenote]

49. I've read it, but I'm not sure that it applies

If you accept the premise of the OP, which is that it doesn't matter whether the NIE referenced Plame (i.e., that it doesn't matter whether chimpy's authorization of leaks included authorizing the outing of Plame), I'm not sure what it is that chimpy did that fits the definition of treason, which the courts consistently have held is to be given a very narrow, very literal application.

Politically, this is great, but the point is to hone in on chimpy's duplicity in publicly condemning leaks while actually authorizing them and on the fact that the underlying reason for authrorizing the leak was essentially political. At this point, we fall into a trap if we elevate arguments about the technical legality (or whether or not it is "treason") above the simple politica message that chimpy can't be trusted to tell the truth and that he puts political objectives above all else.

onenote

[stop the bleeding]

33. NPR mentioned this exact thing - this morning n/t

[seemslikeadream]

41. And if ya make your bed in hell I will be there

Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
tell me
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
oh on that day

if ya run to the sea the sea will be boiling
if ya run to the sea the sea will be boiling
if ya run to the sea the sea will be boiling
oh on that day

Downpressorman where ya gonna run to tell me
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
oh on that day

if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
oh on that day

Downpressor man where ya gonna run to tell me
Downpressor man where ya gonna run to
Downpressor man where ya gonna run to
oh on that day

And if ya make your bed in hell I will be there
make your bed in hell i will be there
I say make your bed in hell i will be there
on that day

Downpressorman where ya gonna run to tell me
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
oh on that day

if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
if ya run to the rocks the rocks will be melting
oh on that day

Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
Downpressorman where ya gonna run to
oh on that day

Where are ya gonna fuckin' run to
Downpressorman
where are ya gonna fuckin' run to

[berni_mccoy]

45. Is that your writing or is that from a song/poem? Very nice.

[seemslikeadream]

46. Peter Tosh's berni_mccoy

I didn't mean to leave his name out. It's a song that Sinead O'Connor has on her new album that I just love

[dogday]

43. You bet your ass he did

Treason and War Crimes... He is going to have a full plate.

[whopis01]

50. kick n/t

[Mnemosyne]

51. I love truth!

:kick: