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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:14 PM
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George Bush intentionally "exposed" a CIA operative. He didn't "leak" it.
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:25 PM by David Zephyr
We really need to change our language and properly re-frame Bush's crime now.

Bush did not "leak" a name or approve a "leak" of the 'name of a former Ambassador whose wife worked at the CIA...blah, blah, blah..."

The President, in an act of political revenge, intentionally EXPOSED an active, covert CIA operative jeopardizing the agent and the agent's associates around the world who were working clandestinely on behalf of the security of the United States.

Bush's treacherous actions were a "payback" for having been caught lying in a State of the Union Address where he fear-mongered our nation into an illegal war which has turned into the greatest single military catastrophe in American history.

He didn't "leak" a name. He exposed an American who was working undercover for our national security.

Exposed, not leaked.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:17 PM
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1. Excellent frame! He did "EXPOSE".
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:56 PM
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20. Not to mention his deliberate exposure of BREWSTER JENNINGS,
the front company she worked with. That goes beyond any personal vendetta. Wonder how the cabal benefited from THAT exposure.

:grr:
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:19 PM
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2. From Here On This Is What We Will Call Bush's Actions..
We call it what it truely is.

No downplay..no sugarcoating..It is what it is!

Good post...Thank You
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Lefty-Taylor Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:19 PM
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3. You're right. Language is key.
David, you're absolutely on target that "exposed" as part of a reprehensible retribution plan against Wilson is the way we should speak of this. If only the MSM would do the same.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 02:50 PM
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19. Hi Lefty-Taylor!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:21 PM
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4. And then he "looked us straight in the eye and lied about it." n/t
n/t
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:30 PM
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7. We need a short video showing Bush on one side saying if someone did
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:30 PM by sce56
leak her name they will be fired and on the other side of the split screen Bill Clinton saying "I did not have relations with that women" Equate it to the Nth degree! Impeachment is needed and not just for Bush but Cheney also!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:24 PM
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5. It is your duty to teach yourself. It is your duty to teach others.
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 06:25 PM by higher class
Cheney and Khan and trading in wmd. Brester-Jennings and investigating wmd. No one has a right to not dropping everything and do it. Learn and share. This is all about wmd trading, profiting from war, and picking up votes from lies.

Especially if you are a DUer.

Just enter cheney khan wmd and mix it with brester jennings and you will find plenty, though some articles are better than others. THis is not about Wilson, this is about Brewster-Jennings. Don't allow yourself to be misled by cable, radio, or the newspaper. The truth is on the internet. You must be a truthseeker (to borrow from Malloy)

This is it - don't mess up. Be a citizen. You have a head start. Educating others is our mission.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:26 PM
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6. !. . . . . n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:46 PM
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8. Ain't THAT the Truth! Good Gawd us "Truth Seekers" need to read this:
what you say in your "OP!"

Bush's treacherous actions were a "payback" for having been caught lying in a State of the Union Address where he fear-mongered our nation into an illegal war which has turned into the greatest single military catastrophe in American history.

He didn't "leak" a name. He exposed an American who was working undercover for our national security.

Exposed, not leaked.


Our "clueless culture" will need time to wrap their heads around this...but we shouldn't discount that THEY WILL! They are just living their lives..and haven't been challenged to question much...

It's gonna take alot of "stuff" to turn this "TITANIC AROUND." It's going to take time that many of us are impatient with...I know that "I" am... :-(
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 06:56 PM
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9. Yeah, I think that Karl Rove loves the word "leak"
Leak is actually a passive verb that has sort of become an active verb, like "suicided". But the fact of the matter is that it still roots from a passive verb.

There was nothing passive about Bush and Rove exposing Plame's identitiy and blowing her cover in a depraved, malicious and highly un-American act.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:01 PM
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10. Great point!! I'm reading
"Don't think of an Elephant" right now and this is exactly what Lakoff points out as part of the liberals problem in winning the debate - we use the Conservative's "frames" and language - you are right - he didn't "leak" information, He EXPOSED and undercover CIA agent, putting her and CIA efforts in jeopardy and leaving the U.S. more at risk for his own political gain. It is treasonous.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:02 PM
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11. Well, I agree with you that the word should be "exposed" not "leaked" but
Bush has yet to be nailed with the "exposure." The leak that Libby said Bush authorized was that of the Nat'l Intel Estimate--a pack of lies, in itself--to counter the truth that Joseph Wilson was speaking (that the Niger part was a lie and based on forgeries). What Fitzgerald said, in papers filed this week, is that he has evidence that several people in the White House wanted to expose covert CIA agent Plame and there was a coordinated effort to do so, with the purpose of harming her husband, Joseph Wilson (punish him for speaking the truth).

Fitz has to be cautious. He didn't use the word "conspiracy" and said "several" not many people. These latter are the ones he has evidence on--probably Rove and Hadley (and possibly Andrew Card, who resigned last week). His indictment of Libby also pointed to Cheney. (Also keep in mind that Card was the organizer of the White House Iraq Group--WHIG--whose purpose was to "sell" the Iraq war, and which included all of the above, plus many more, like Condi Rice. And one* of the major problems of "selling the war" would be none other than Joseph Wilson.)

So it seems to me quite likely that everyone around Bush was into exposing Plame**--that it was a general White House conspiracy--and that what we are seeing just the surface of, right now, is efforts to protect Bush (and thus, the Bush junta, and Bushism--i.e., endless war profiteering and tax cuts for the rich) from treason charges (and more felonies--in addition to massive domestic spying without a warrant). Bush's leaking of NIE info is technically not a crime--at least the way he and Cheney construe the law. But outing Plame IS a crime--and not one that it will be easy for them to get around. (It was a law written by Daddy Bush!)

Libby is trying to paint a picture of general looseness and delegated authority, re: classified info, WITHOUT nabbing Bush (and his boss Cheney) as the one who ordered others to put Valerie Plame and her entire counter-proliferation network of covert agents and contacts in great danger, also crippling the CIA's counter-proliferation project.

It is a very serious crime--treason, in the opinion of many (me included). The NIE thing is likely a distraction--or something of one. In theory, the President can classify and unclassify info, although there is a process that's supposed to be followed (that wasn't). But this does NOT include the identities of our covert agents!

So the game that's being played here--and it's a very serious game, indeed--is who ORDERED Plame AND her entire network to be outed. Under whose authority was it done? Who is the most responsible party? (**There were TWO outings, by Novak, one of Plame herself, and a second one of the Brewster-Jennings front company, headquarters for the covert network.)

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*(Note on their motive: I think that the Plame/BJ outing was actually a coverup for something else--something even worse. I'm sure they wanted to squash all dissent and hated Wilson, but I'm not sure that that was their sole, or even primary, motive in destroying the CIA's counter-proliferation project. I think Plame/BJ may have been the main target--and what is involved here may be, a) a Bush junta effort to PLANT nukes in Iraq--that the Niger forgeries were a buildup to--a plot that got foiled by SOMEONE; or b) something to do with Cheney and other Bushites illicit arms/nuke dealings and/or paper trails or other evidence related to their many crimes. There is also the extraordinary coincidence of dates between the Plame outing and the death, under highly suspicious circumstances, of the Brits' chief WMD expert David Kelly, who was whistleblowing to the BBC about the prewar WMD intel during the same period. Plame was outed on 7/14/03. Kelly was found dead four days later on 7/18/03. His office and computers were searched. Then Brewster-Jennings was outed on 7/22/03. The theory is that possibly Kelly knew about the foiled plot to plant nukes in Iraq; that Blair found out on 7/7/03, the day after Wilson published his article (7/6/03), and called Bush, and that the Bushites' panicky-looking reactions in the week of 7/6/03 through 7/14/03, have more to do with Kelly and what he knew, than with Wilson's article--which, after all, was just an op-ed piece by an ex-diplomat, in a newsstream that the Bushites had no trouble manipulating.)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:19 PM
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12. The Yellow Cake Fakes.
I certainly agree with you, Peace Patriot, that "the Plame/BJ outing was actually a cover up for something else--something even worse."

I have come to my own private belief that Karl Rove and Condi (then at the NSC) along with Hadley probably participated in orchestrating the Niger Forgeris on some scale. They knew all along they were forgeries and which is why I have long dubbed them the Yellow Cake Fakes.

It's just in this case, these civilians never expected the C.I.A. to actually go to the Department of Justice and demand that there be an active, hot investigation into their crime. They never expected that.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:34 PM
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13. I'm convinced the man has no conscience.
After seeing his response to that man at a townhall meeting, it just looked to me that there was absolutely nothing he would ever apologize for, because he believes he's above us all.

And I have a gut feeling that someone gets like that growing up around powerful men who once sat around the study smoking expensive cigars, drinking whiskey and boasting about the abuses of power they got away with.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:35 PM
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14. Helps to have a factual basis for the statement though. The right can
get away with unfounded crap, half truths and complete lies. But there's no smoking gun in Fitz's April 5 filing that says Bush authorized the exposure of Plame. And unfortunately the court filing appears to indicate that as late as September 2003 Bush was unaware that Libby had exposed Plame's CIA employment.
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:39 PM
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15. The word we're looking for is "betrayed."
I don't know if exposed is a strong enough word. George Bush and his administration full of lying bastards betrayed our top anti-nuclear-proliferation undercover operative to attack her husband.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:48 AM
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16. Exposed the CIA op, and betrayed the American people in doing so.
How about that?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:49 AM
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17. No, he BLEW THE COVER ON A U.S. AGENT.
NGU.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:57 AM
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18. he OUTED the cia agent... yes. i am bothered by leak. i use outed
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 10:57 AM by seabeyond
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