Bush to propose Constitutional Amendment abolishing the death penalty.

[understandinglife]

You betcha he has personal reasons for doing just that.

These guys are traitors of the first order.

We know it. The whole Nation is going to know it soon.

Every Democratic Member of Congress, and any Republicans with the tiniest regard for the law, should be at the White House, tomorrow, demanding Bush and Cheney resign, immediately.

This is not hyperbole. This is exactly what should happen.

And then we can begin the arduous, many decades effort to rebuild the Republic and restore our place as a lawful member of the international community.


Peace.

[eleny]

1. How much of his base will he lose with that dance move?

[FormerRepublican]

2. Considering the fact that he put more people to death in Texas than...

...anyone, AND made fun of them when they tried to avert their death sentence, Bush would have a VERY hard time trying to persuade people he's changed his mind about the death penalty. Besides, he likes killing people. I think he gets off on it.

[xray s]

4. EVERY TIME he talks about an event that involves death...

...he has that sick smirky grin and chuckles out loud.

I think he finds death amusing.

I swear he is one sick man.

[Ecumenist]

3. Trying to save his lying, scrawny ass...

I wonder if the freeper types are starting to become somewhat aware, (if one assumes that swamp mud has an ability to be sentient), that their hero/friend/pal is a sorry ass lying bitch with no real concern for the security of this nation and it's people.

[fond DU]

6. Swamp mud???????????

Well THAT'S gettin' them to listen to us.

[amitten]

8. They won't listen, regardless.

You can be as nice as you like. They are willfully ignorant.

[fond DU]

10. I did.

Many of us started as Pubs--and now we're not.

Considering the goals we have, you better hope others are gonna listen, too.

[amitten]

12. I don't have to hope that anyone will "listen". Bush is doing all

the talking for me. He's a failure. And if some current Republican is too stupid to see that, than I daresay I'd rather not have him on my side.

The unfortunate people that STILL need convincing are not worth having.

[Ecumenist]

16. Fond du

I lost friends in 911, a great aunt in Katrina and a couple of friends in this war. I have heard freeper types, (NOT REPUBLICANS BUT PART OF THE PERSONALITY CLUB FOR GEORGE BUSH), who no matter what this regime does attempts to rationalise each and every thing that comes out of this bunch. Even when the latest fiasco runs counter to what they will have earlier said was inexcusable. I DO NOT lump these people in with a true republican, who often have a different way of looking at things but can actually think for themselves. These are the types who have actually said that as long as Bush does it, it's okay because he says he a christian. Jeffy Guckert, lies about reasons to go to war, not providing adequate material, personnel and support to soldiers in the field and even less to their families here; draconian cuts in ANYTHING that helps the average American, by sanctioning outsourcing, cutting pensions, lifting fair wage guarantees, and the ability to file bankruptcy when overwhelmed by medical expenses, granting personhood to corporations, no bid contracts which more often than not are full of graft and fraud with no oversight, allowing an entire region of the US to languish in misery after out an out lying about helping FELLOW AMERICANS recover from a disastrous hurricane and then tacitly refusing to help these same people get back on their feet and their homes back....AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, bush being caught in a colossal lie, knowing good and damn well that he knew who had made the leak which has only served to further endanger our country in the name of politics and when all else fails, it NEVER ceases to amaze me when they find some way to blame Clinton. I'm not even going to begin to recount the appointments bush who were so unqualified for their petitions, it was painful. (homeland security and the 3 men arrested for sex crimes against children, anyone?) my God, one had the nerve to have headed the SEX PREDATORS UNIT but the psychotic faithful that make up bush's base find an excuse for any and everything that comes out, which gets worse with each revelation. I am surrounded by genuine republicans who absolutely loathe this bunch and passionately want them gone. So, before you make snide remarks about this idiot and his band of mad men, who I might add can't even keep their lies straight, you should think twice and understand that the people I refer to aren't interested in listening to anything or seeing reality of the crisis in our country.
By the way, welcome to DU

[fond DU]

23. My remarks were not snide in the LEAST.

I meant every single word of them. You do not have a corner on suffering here--nor a corner on definitions--and I have been through enough political campaigns since Truman(!) to know that people mature, grow--and we all know political parties change...

It's an inexperienced view to want to jettison people that we could conceivable be counting upon (and most people are not NEARLY as evil as many here enjoy thinking). I want to win--and we need every single vote we can get, damn near however we can get them. I'll let voters worry about their OWN political evolution later.

And STOP harping on Guckert; I can't IMAGINE a LESS important person....and, if you really think about it, it may well have been MORE disgusting if Bush had KNOWN about his um..... sexuality in advance! (And DON'T try and tell me he DID; Bush doesn't know his own sexuality!)

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[fond DU]

31. I don't read rude ranting.

Ignore is on.

[Ecumenist]

36. fine by me....

:hi:

[Gato Moteado]

19. anyone who is a repuke today......

....is empty headed, filthy human garbage. period.

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[Ready4Change]

5. Is Treason still an executable offense?

Perhaps he's gotten new legal advise?

[laundry_queen]

15. This is my vote. He's trying to save his own behind. n/t

[Ready4Change]

22. Might not be his own.

As Governor of Texas he didn't have any problems with the death penalty. But then, he didn't personally know anyone who was likely to be subject to it.

Perhaps here he is seeing that it might apply to someone he knows. Doesn't have to be himself. Could be someone he considers a friend, or a mentor, or a compadre.

[Ecumenist]

17. Last time I checked, it was.

High treason in a time of war is very executable.

[ALago1]

39. There is no chance...

...Bush would ever be executed for his crimes. The very worse he'd face is impeachment and possibly removal/resignation from office.

[Ecumenist]

40. Ain't it a shame...

If there had ever been a more crystalline example of example of a double standard, this is it.

[Trevelyan]

7. I agree that he is trying to save himself but where is the link?

Some encouraging news on Fitzgerald's investigating Niger forgeries

Hinchey Statement On Revelation That President Bush Authorized Leak Of Classified Information To Bolster Administration's Public Case For War Washington, D.C. 4/5/2006

http://www.house.gov/hinchey / == "If what Scooter Libby said to the grand jury is true, then this latest development clearly reveals yet again that the CIA leak case goes much deeper than the disclosure of a CIA agent's identity to the press. The heart and motive of this case is about the deliberate attempt at the highest levels of this administration to discreditthose who were publicly revealing that the White House lied about its uranium claims leading up to the war. The Bush Administration knew that Iraq had not sought uranium from Africa for a nuclear weapon, yet they went around telling the Congress, the country, and the world just the opposite. When Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Valerie Wilson's husband, publicly spoke out
with proof that the administration was not telling the truth on uranium, the administration engaged in an orchestrated plot, which now reportedly includes President Bush, to discredit Ambassador Wilson and dismiss any notion that they had lied about pre-war intelligence.

"It is an absolute disgrace to the institution of the presidency that President Bush authorized members of his administration to disclose select parts of highly classified information from a National Intelligence Estimate in order to make political advances and gain public support.

How dare President Bush and Vice President Cheney say they want to prosecute those who leaked the NSA domestic surveillance program when they themselves authorized the disclosure of information from some of the most highly sensitive documents in the government. The White House opposes leaks when the disclosed information hurts them politically, but supports leaks when information advances their political cause.

"Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald recently responded to my request for him to expand his investigation to include the motive behind the leak, which I believe was to discredit Ambassador Wilson's revelation that Iraq never sought uranium from Africa. If so, President Bush and other top members of his administration knowingly lied about uranium to the Congress, which is a crime. It is my belief, as well as the belief of my 39 House colleagues who signed my original letter to Special Counsel Fitzgerald, that he has the
authority and obligation to expand his investigation to investigate the lies about uranium, which are the true heart of this case.

"Scooter Libby's camp is currently engaged in a legal proceeding to remove Patrick Fitzgerald from his post and have the case dismissed. This is just further evidence that Scooter Libby doesn't have a leg to stand on. I'm confident that the latest Libby motion will be rejected and that the case will move forward. As such, I am formulating a response to Patrick Fitzgerald's letter to me and will aggressively pursue every avenue needed to ensure that an investigation is conducted into the administration's uranium lies. The heart of the CIA leak case cannot and must not be ignored."

==Rep. Hinchey only allows his constituents to write but I would like to know more about Fitz's letter to him and I thought DU had published an article that Hinchey and 39 Congresspersons had asked Fitzgerald to handle the impeachment hearings in the House in Oct/Nov 2005 or am I remembering it wrong???

[understandinglife]

13. Thank you for the superb comments from Rep Hinchey. My OP ...

... subject line was meant to be provactive sarcasm, thus I didn't place it in quotes (no link).

In partial answer to your question:

Conyers filed the legislation on December 18, where it was referred to the House Committee on Rules. According to the Library of Congress' legislative information site, as of April 5, 2006 there were 33 co-sponsors of H. Res. 635, "Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment." <7>

The cosponsors are: Abercrombie (D-HI), Baldwin (D-WI), Capps (D-CA), Capuano (D-MA), Clay (D-MO), Davis (D-IL), Farr (D-CA), Filner (D-CA), Hinchey (D-NY), Honda (D-CA), Jackson Lee (D-TX), Lee (D-CA), Lewis (D-GA), Maloney (D-NY), McCollum (D-MN), McDermott (D-WA), McKinney (D-GA), Moore (D-WI), Nadler (D-NY), Oberstar (D-MN), Olver (D-MA), Owens (D-NY), Payne (D-NJ), Rangel (D-NY), Sabo (D-MN), Sanders (I-VT)<8>, Schakowsky (D-IL), Stark (D-CA), Tierney (D-MA), Velázquez (D-NY), Waters (D-CA), Woolsey (D-CA), and Wu (D-OR).

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#Representative_Conyers

And, from Congressman Conyers' blog:

http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={D9835E47-A9C2-4892-9306-A50D5E1B7F58}

Peace.

[Imagevision]

9. Huh??!! Bush mimicked that woman he refused clemacy and got off

killing her.

[eugene5debs]

11. Too late now, with all the death he caused

Could he be some kind of a mad bomber?

http://www.staggeron.org/universe.html#bush-cartoon

[understandinglife]

14. Note to all - the subject line in the OP is provactive sarcasm, thus ...

... it's not in quotes and is not linked. Wanted folk to reflect on just how ironic it is that Bush the butcher and gleeful executioner may be "hopin and a prayin" he could get the death penalty voided before his butt is sitting in a tribunal.


Peace.

[magellan]

18. They're too conniving to even bother worrying

IF Bush** is ever brought to trial and IF he's charged with treason, his attorney will simply argue that technically the crimes didn't occur during war-time because only Congress can declare war and that was never actually done. In other words, BushCo would do a complete 180 from their current position defending this as a legal and legitimate war.

Having said that, I don't support the death penalty except in a few rare instances and this would definitely be one of them!!

[Swamp Rat]

20. HAHAHA!!

We can send the Bushler Cabal to IRAQ for trial and punishment! :D

[understandinglife]

26. Well, abu Gonzales says extreme rendition is ok, doesn't he ....

:evilgrin:


If You're pro-Bu$h, You're Anti-America - and you dig torture

[zbdent]

21. Well, it would be fun to return every year to see his face behind bars

for crimes against humanity for setting off World War III . . . I would want to see him suffer . . . too bad it ain't likely . . .

[flpoljunkie]

25. Self-deleted.

[unschooler]

28. Link?

Copy and paste? Authority of any kind for that rather surprising assertion?

[radio4progressives]

29. The Missleading Subject Header Doesn't do the Content of OP Justice

The vitally important issues, simply raised in this OP is devalued by the missleading heading.

It's bad enough (seriously bad enough) to be existing in this surreal Twilight Zone - called Amurika - that used to be a vital democratic Republic - turned fascist state under a psychotic despot - when we as a people are behaving powerless, as if we don't know how to demand the immediate resignation of this regime.

Recall last week's turnout of millions of people protesting the proposed draconian legislation on immigration, yet we whities won't even bother doing the same to remove this despot. Why is that?

Do we whities prefer fascist state over democracy?

[countryjake]

32. With the way some have "wrapped themselves" in the flag lately,

I can honestly see, in the event that it does get down to charges of treason and conspiracy and war crimes, that there would soon come an outcry to "defend our beloved president". They don't drum up nationalism for nothing!

[understandinglife]

34. The subject line is meant, via sarcasm, to convey my loathing of Bu$h.

A guy who, as many have noted, belittled a woman pleading for her life, a life he summarily had executed, may be about to confront the fullest implications of his fondness for having the State kill people.

I wasn't being humorous, I was being vicious, and that is not my typical approach to life.

Thank you for your insights and your critique; it is taken in the spirit you offered it.


Peace.

[radio4progressives]

37. thank you for acknowledgement .. I'm presentilly totally freaking out...

I'm totally freaking out that these people are not being frog marched in handcuffs for the most incredible violations of our democracy.

I'm totally freaked out that the Democratic Leadership in Washington are not holding full court press and demanding the immediate resignations of this regime, calling out to the country - in clear direct language what has occurred in our country.

i'm freaking out.. i don't recognize my own party - i don't recognize my own country... and i don't understand DU anymore..

why isn't there a huge cry for all of us to call a General Strike and a massive march on Washington today?

[understandinglife]

38. I agree and empathize, totally. The fact that Reid and Pelosi ...

... haven't had the entire Dem Congressional membership on the front steps of the US Capitol calling for the resignation of these traitors only compounds the damage being done to America, every minute that these traitors remain in office.

The whole world knows that Bush and his neoconster syndicate are criminals of the first order and the whole world knows America currently is not only enabling their criminality, but that Americans are willing to be ruled by traitors.


"The President of the United States willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression."

[countryjake]

30. That's okay! We are a nation that practices rendition, don't ya know?

I'm sure there are some ousted CIA who would be more than willing to arrange a flight to Iraq or Afghanistan for the "suspected traitors".

Thanks for the humor!

[Initech]

33. How about these suggestions for amendments, huh, Dumbya?

# To make the filibuster in the Senate a part of the Constitution
# To provide for continuity of government in case of a catastrophic event
# The "Every Vote Counts" Amendment - providing for direct election of the President and Vice President, abolishing the Electoral College

#
# To ensure that citizens of U.S. territories and commonwealths can vote in presidential elections
#
# To remove any protection any court may find for child pornography

# To specify a right to "equal high quality" health care
# To limit pardons granted between October 1 and January 21 of any presidential election year
# To require a balanced budget without use of Social Security Trust Fund monies
# To allow for any person who has been a citizen of the United States for twenty years or more to be eligible for the Presidency

These have all been proposed in the last four sessions of Congress. Check out more:

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamprop.html

[Cleita]

35. I don't see pigs flying yet.

But that's what we should have been hearing the last twenty four hours is demands for their resignation. I think the whole cabinet should be made to resign and the top brass at the Pentagon as well.

Then we can go to work on the Supreme Court. I don't think those appointments Bush made should be recognized as legitimate from an illegitimate, unelected, fraud of a President