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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:17 AM
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NIE vs INR - in Plame sight?
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 10:21 AM by stop the bleeding
Feb 02 there was mock up on Iraq War Intel/Yellowcake and Plame's name was first noted in memo's from these/this meeting.

Fast forward, out of these memo's there became one that was called the INR memo that was essentially notes from that meeting along with other Iraq Intel. (summer 2003)This is the memo that was on AF1 that was being passed around by Ari, Powell, Rice ect... This is the same memo that was handled by Armitage that he gave to Powell by request before that AF1 Africa flight. - SEE Roger Morris link below for better details

The NIE - this is a document that traditionally takes up to 3 months to prepare and is always customary before our Country does big events like a war per say. Now according to Firedoglake, the WH wasn't even gonna have an NIE until Dick Durbin asked for one and the WH reluctantly complied and did it in 20 days or so vs the usual 3 months. - SEE FIREDOFLAKE link for better details

Now here is the fun part, the INR memo that has Plame's status all throughout it, was included as a footnote in the NIE but not in the White Paper of the NIE that went to Congress as requested. In addition to the INR footnote it completely contradicted what portions of the NIE was saying about yellow cake - important omission IMO.


more on the INR and NIE here at

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_mjOsVbkl6AJ:firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_05_firedoglake_archive.html+Could+Cheney+Declassify+the+NIE+plame+inr+firedoglake&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

I you have to scroll down at least a 5th of the page you'll see,

and also this on how the INR came into being by Roger Morris - Feb 02 & summer of 03 for important parts - already highlighted.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:RajaUXFaeDcJ:www.counterpunch.org/morris07272005.html+counterpunch+rice+INR+NIE+plame&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Now based on that the INR does contain Plame's name, as far as the NIE solely on it's own - well we will have to wait until it is "declassified" - oops it already is - silly me.

Lastly my bet is that the NIE does mention Plame and her Husband since they had been on the radar for quite some time. Also keep in mind that I have given you a watered down version of what went on based on my memory from reading countless articles/blogs and reports.


Also I agree 1000% with other DU'ers that leaking ANYTHING for political gain is TREASON, but I thought you all should have some insight on the how these memo's are playing with our lives.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:27 AM
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1. Preznit Itchy Trigger Finger and the Stovepipe Posse
:rofl:

Thought I had heard them all
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:38 AM
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2. Well, doesn't that tend to show a separate crime,...
,...of intentionally misleading congress?

In addition to refuting the assertion that Bush instantaneously declassified info in 7/03 when, apparently, the same info had previously been utilized by the NY darling a year earlier, the information you lay out tends to show intentional deceit by the administration.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:09 PM
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3. My head is spinning. Like so many, I don't have time to plow through
the daily data-dump on the Crime Family, so I'll have to bookmark this and try to read later. But it is important to put this into a 2002 context, because a pattern of deceit is apparent in hindsight. The bigger legal issue may be not whether the prez could declassify, but what was classified to start with and why.

Keeping in mind that Wilson and the CIA questioned the yellowcake claim starting back in early 2002, one question is why was the yellowcake claim taken out of a speech in the fall of 2002, but somehow made it back into the NIE and the SOTU.

Speaking of patterns, according to W. Patrick Lang's "Drinking the Kool-aid," the Iraqi National Congress, who had been cut off by the CIA had their funding restored by the State Dept in 2001. This was a source of false information stovepiped through the OSP. Does any of this start to look like a pattern to deceive?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:27 PM
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4. Thanks stop the bleeding - a message for you here
It's a pirate chimp. He shouts, he flashes, he has a skull and crossbones on his pants

http://eclectech.co.uk/messageyarr.php?i=esY
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 01:09 PM
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5. LOL! that is funny
* giving monkey's a bad name - I love it almost as cute as a Lemur
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 01:14 PM
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6. You have more energy than me today
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 01:16 PM by kpete
good insight!

Bush admits Leak
"Basically, Bush is saying that it's all right for him to selectively leak classified information whenever he feels it would help him politically."

I thought that was Judy Miller's job? Read today's Gaggle with Scotty.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000317.php
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 10:10 AM
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9. As cute as a Lemur?


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 03:56 PM
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7. Thank you for making this its own post!
Recommended, highly.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:59 AM
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8. Plame's name was in the NIE!! Now it comes together!!!!
By "declassifying" the NIE that Scooter shared with Judy Miller, Bush outed Plame. That's what this is saying.

Can anyone confirm this?:

The NIE - this is a document that traditionally takes up to 3 months to prepare and is always customary before our Country does big events like a war per say. Now according to Firedoglake, the WH wasn't even gonna have an NIE until Dick Durbin asked for one and the WH reluctantly complied and did it in 20 days or so vs the usual 3 months. - SEE FIREDOFLAKE link for better details

Now here is the fun part, the INR memo that has Plame's status all throughout it, was included as a footnote in the NIE but not in the White Paper of the NIE that went to Congress as requested. In addition to the INR footnote it completely contradicted what portions of the NIE was saying about yellow cake - important omission IMO.


more on the INR and NIE here at

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_mjOsVbkl6AJ:firedo...

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