Clinton fatigue was the biggest factor in Chimpy getting close enough

[CatWoman]

to steal the presidency. True or false.

If true, then what of Bush fatigue?

Clinton fatigue was manufactured by the vicious, partisan republicans in the house.

Chimpy fatigue is of his own doing.

[sasha031]

1. I agree

and the librul media with the blue dress didn't help

[MasonJar]

2. Win? 70,000 democrats were disenfranchised by Jeb in Fla.

alone, and an alleged dem designed a ballot that caused Gore voters to vote for Buchanan (Jews for Buchanan, oh sure.) It turns out the so-called dem was a pug only a few months earlier...now an independent.

[CatWoman]

5. I didn't say anything about that moran winning anything

:shrug:

[Teaser]

7. 70000 voters is a blip though

That's the point of the OP. That Clinton fatique let them get close enough to steal it. If it hadn't been close, it would have been next to impossible to steal.


However, I'm not sure Clinton fatigue is the only reason for that. There's a number of factors (the generic 8 year cycle for one), a good economy (people were fat and happy and figured "what could go wrong? Times are good."

A bunch of things.

Which is not to say the 2000 election wasn't stolen.

[Ignacio Upton]

8. There were several factors:

1. People were complacent. They thought that Bush wouldn't fuck up.

2. The media helped make this claim bigger than it otherwise would have been. There were newsdays where Clinton got more coverage than Gore for attending miscellaneous conferences, while Bush would get adequate coverage. Many of these pundits then said "can Gore escape Clinton's shadow?" Gore should have said, a la Bush in 2004 answers Kerry's attacks: "you may not like everything about this administration, but because of Bill Clinton and me, the budget is balanced, the deficit is at an all-time low, the economy is roaring ans stable, and crime is at an all-time low.!" Unfortunately, Gore was handled by bad consultants, and Nader's campaign also hurt.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. False.

Why Gore ran away from a guy with mid-60's approval still mystifies me.


Brazile fatigue? :think:

[Ignacio Upton]

4. I agree, but the meme was inflated by the MSM

Clinton and Gore had high job approval ratings (Gore's rating for the job he was doing as Vice President was well ahead of 51%.) But the voters had this idea: "We've been through a lot with impeachment, and besides, maybe Bush won't be so bad with the country, he's a compassionate conservative after all." The MSM helped further narratives about Gore, such as that "he is a serial liar," and made up shit about him. I also remember that they gave a lot of coverage to Bill Clinton for trivial events (I unfortunately can't remember these specific events six years after they happened) while Gore was campaigning. The MSM, by giving coverage to Clinton for a trip to "such and such" while ignoring Gore campaigning in certain areas, enabled the meme. They also had "objective" pollsters such as GOP-shill Frank Luntz repeat this meme on their shows. Remember, Luntz was not designated as a Republican pollster, and appeared on CNN, MSNBC, and other networks numerous times repeating the meme. They also treated Bush with kid gloves. If the public had known, for example, that Bush accused his chief Presidential primary opponent of fathering a black child and claiming that his wife was mentally-ill, Bush would never been labled as a "nice guy."

[KittyWampus]

6. False proprostion, IMO. It was the Mediawhore lies, distortions, omissions

but your point is very well taken.

If the Mediawhores dare claim Clinton Fatigue caused Gore the election how can they NOT start mouthing off NOW about potential Bush Fatigue.

It matters little if that proposition is true. It's what the Liars said.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. I can't tell you how many times I say this

just mentioned it on another thread here someplace, WRT getting the trogs out to vote in 2004, and how much of that success was related to the family values BS, which, in large part originated from EXACTLY the sort of witch hunt that began before, even, Clinton was elected in 92.

those who are shortsighted (plenty here, even) enough to think impeachment backfired on the pugs in 98-99, somehow failed to connect the dots between the non stop Clinton and Gore smears. once Gore became their object of defamation, all they did was change names; they didn't even have to change their narrative: Gore the liar.

for Kerry, all they did was change names again, and, this time, the meme: Kerry the FlipFlopper. with almost total control of the M$M, it was very easy to pound this message home to the lazy media consumers, who comprise the vast majority of the voting sheepublic

[phrenzy]

10. This is exactly right.

It's very simple - No Monica, no Bush.

If that whole ordeal would not have happened Gore would have sailed through. A combination of factors after that big handicap made it close enough for them to steal.

Witch hunt aside, I stand by that Clinton's utterly idiotic and bizarre mistake was the single most preventable component of the Bush presidency.

It actually makes it worse to me that he did it with full knowledge there WAS a witch hunt.

[Orangepeel]

12. I don't know about that

First, it wasn't Monica it would have been something else. That supposed African America love child in Arkansas (they didn't need that, so they used it against McCain), that Chelsea is really Web Hubble's daughter, or one of the other stupid lies they came up with. Fooling around with Monica when he KNEW he was being hunted by partisan freaks was monumentally stupid, but it wasn't the reason he was impeached, etc.

Gore almost got enough votes to be able to win (as opposed to the most votes, which he did get), despite the fact that a sitting Vice President almost never wins (bush sr. was, what, the second?). People just get bored and complacent.

You can have a great tasting, healthy meal every night and still decide you want to try the greasy pizza for a change. It's only later you get heartburn.

[oasis]

11. Abundant peace and prosperity with Bill Clinton. Too much of a good thing

for warmongering neocons and Halliburton death merchants.

[Beetwasher]

13. It's No Longer Fatigue

It's Bush plague.

[phrenzy]

14. Peace & Prosperity DID actually help Bring Us Bush

Because people were pretty content with their day to day prospects, they found it safe to occupy their desire for perpetual outrage by locking on to the Monica "crisis" - They had no sense of proportion anymore. There was no recession, there was no war, there was no easy enemy to occupy their minds. The country was in the mood for a salacious sex scandal.

If this kind of thing happened now, the country would say (and has said) 'there are more important things to be terrified / angry about'

Because of the good times in the 90s, The American people felt a void of 'drama' in their day to day existence and because of this the lust for a constant national soap opera became obsessive. O.J., John Benet Ramsey built news industries. There was no other 'horrifying' news to report at the time.

When Bush rolled in, Monica lewinsky was still fresh on people's minds, and you can still hear people describing it as a 'Horrible painful time for america'

Imagine somebody saying that shit after 9/11

Now, we can show the evil terra-ists day-in-day out and people are happy they can feel that they live in an 'Historic Time'