Real Time w/ Bill Mahr thread (Cynthia McKinney will be on)

[Cush]

Bill Maher welcomes actor Ben Affleck, Sen. Joe Biden, and correspondent Bill Sammon. Plus, via satellite, author/former Republican strategist Kevin Phillips, and Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA).

[DS1]

1. It's unwatchable between the monologue and the new rules

[Gabi Hayes]

2. please give details! I got rid of HBO when Curb went off

I can't WAIT to see how badly Sammon does.

he's a real grade A moran....nothing but a font of antiquated RW talking points....as close to self-parody as one can possibly get

this could be GOOD, even with Biden

I just hope Maher isn't a total dick to McKinney

I will never forgive him if he just follows the M$M herd

[Sydnie]

38. Biden and Affleck aren't giving him a minute to say much of anything

It's kind of pathetic really. This guy is so out of his league here.

[Cush]

3. Cynthia McKinney on now (satellite)

[Gabi Hayes]

4. how's he behaving toward her? I don't even want to guess

can you spare a snippet or two?

thx

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. He just said that she said this was a racial issue and she said "No,

that's not what I said. I said this country has a problem with race." She went on to explain the problems. Bill dropped it.

I just tuned in and that's all I've heard so far.

[rusty charly]

5. she's doing great

he won't let the cop thing go

[gatorboy]

82. He called her "Slugger"

That's actually pretty funny! :P

[rusty charly]

6. i'm loving her

throwing all her issues at him
he keeps going back to the cop
and she's keeping it where she wants it

[Sydnie]

9. she is fielding the questions well

talking about how the issues today are about leadership. I would agree, I would like to see her on the panel too.

[Gabi Hayes]

11. I knew it...what a fucking ahole he is

really disappointing

I thought he fancies himself a maverick!

well, you boxturd, the CW is just what you're spewing

is he playing to his nonexistent RW audience, as when he shushes his guests or audience when they aren't buying the constant spewage of lies and RW talking points?

[Blue_Roses]

75. he wasn't being an asshole, in fact, he gave her an opportunity to clarify

things and she bombed. Bill was extremely patient with her avoiding his questions. He likes her and wanted to help her out. She didn't help him out.

[question everything]

85. And then even let her talk about her other topics

like the war in Iraq and 9/11 LIHOP (I think)

[mduffy31]

88. Extremely patient

When IMHO she was being too cute by half with some of her answers.

[demosincebirth]

89. You're wrong on all count.

[rusty charly]

8. and she voted against

the IWR

[rusty charly]

10. affleck's got a better wig

[rusty charly]

13. oy

biden's running

[Cush]

12. Biden says he's running for President

[rusty charly]

15. here comes the

leak spin

"not technically a leak"

audience groaned

[Pirate Smile]

14. I was a bit nervous but she would NOT be baited into saying anything

that was going to get her in anymore trouble and I'm glad because we don't want to give the Republicans a distraction to change the subject off of BushCo.

She did good.

[tulsakatz]

16. Sammon's leak argument is total BS!

Because if Bush declassified info in '03 (as the argument is being made), why didn't he admit then that the info had been declassified?

Why did he have to say........well, I want to know who the leaker is and he will be dealt with, yada, yada, yada.

At the very least, it is very deceptive!

[truebrit71]

20. Exactly...

He was the leaker...

[Cush]

17. Biden was elected at age 29?

did not know that

[truebrit71]

18. This Sammon guy is a tool...

..again the wingnuts get to spout their lies and no-one rebuts it...Except for Sen Biden...almost...

[Gabi Hayes]

27. see post number one for sammon pate, as in pah tay

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Biden's point was great!

When the prez leaks the name of a CIA agent, how does that make other CIA agents feel?

[tulsakatz]

23. not to mention..........

...that it makes it much harder for the CIA to get cooperation from people in other countries!

[rusty charly]

21. unreal:

is the pro-chimp book really called "strategery"?

talk about willful ignorance

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Delay talk now. n/t

[rusty charly]

affleck's doing better

than i thought he would

"he's the biggest criminal in the government and now you're blaming democrats for pointing it out"

[Blue_Roses]

78. You underestimate Affleck

I think his true calling is politics

[tallahasseedem]

24. GO AFFLECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gabi Hayes]

25. mein fuhrer, I can HEAR!

scrambled video, but my idiot cable company allows the sound to go through

yay for ME!

[Cooley Hurd]

30. Same thing here...

Are you watching it on Time Warner High Def?

[SharonRB]

72. You, too?

It seems every Friday night lately, just during Maher's show, I get scrambled video. That's the only time. It's really a pain in the butt.

[countmyvote4real]

26. Affleck is good.

"now you blame the Democrats for pointing that out." (That Delay is a criminal)

[rusty charly]

28. sammon:

"bush prays all the time"

the audience laughing

[Sydnie]

29. I was praying ... and barney was taking a dump!

:rofl: Please~!

[tulsakatz]

37. Biden is making some good points about Republicans and prayer!

He said Bush thinks he has good instincts but then he (Bush) prays that his instincts are right!

We all know that Bush's instincts are not that good.

My question is............if Bush is going to pray, why doesn't he pray BEFORE he makes a major decision?

[rusty charly]

31. maher

about the iraq invasion: bush was praying when he should have been learning about iraq, because now it's proved they didn't know a) what they were doing, or b) anything about iraq.

biden saying bush just used his "instincts and then prays he's right"

audience cheers

[Idioteque]

32. Biden is getting on my good side...

...if Feingold doesn't run, I could see Biden getting my vote.

[rusty charly]

34. hey mccain:

here's a straight talker

hardly the way mccain appeared on TDS.

[rusty charly]

39. but do we

have to respect someone because they want respect? not everyone deserves respect, we learned this on jerry springer: "he was disrespecting me!!"

[Gabi Hayes]

40. when you start reading up on Biden, you'll see that he's a total WHORE.

a plagiarist, and complete tool of the credit card industry

aside from that, he's great

[Idioteque]

42. I was mad about the bankruptcy vote...

...but he was really only sticking up for jobs in Deleware. That is forgivible.

[countmyvote4real]

86. Biden’s vote for the Bankruptcy bill is NOT forgivable.

His only constituents that stand to benefit are the corporate CC campaign donors within his state. The punitive rate hikes and increased hurdles for healthcare disasters don’t determine the total CC headcount in or out of Delaware. They were already doing really well before the legislation. It’s about increased profit margins for corporate loan sharks.

As a Senator, he should be aware of how legislation he supports affects both his real constituents as well as the people across the land. I think this lack of judgment and the corrupting lobbyist influence disqualifies him as a viable Presidential candidate.

He does nothing for me.

[Bushknew]

90. THANK YOU, Don’t trust Biden, period.

[countmyvote4real]

46. I still think Biden is a blow hard.

His "respect people of faith" stump speech is baloney. It might be true for some POF, but he's pandering to the POF that do want to legislate their theocratic agenda into our government.

Plus, he will always be tainted by his support for the bankruptcy bill. Follow that money to the CC industry that resides in his state.

[minkyboodle]

49. agreed

Biden is taking this stance now because he thinks
its popular. He is the quintessential political
opportunist.... Just check his meet the press
appearances 2 years ago.

[SharonRB]

73. Yeah, he went up a few notches in my book tonight, too

Still not my #1 pick, but I could live with him as the ultimate candidate. He's definitely ahead of Hillary, but behind Gore, Feingold and probably Clark.

[FrenchieCat]

87. Well, my vote would go to a candidate that was talking

like this back in 2003....not just now, when everyone else is doing it!

Someone who understood what was going at the time.....not after-th-fact.

And most of Biden's ideas on Iraq are really Clark's without the credit.

Saturday, October 04, 2003

Wesley Clark Called for an Independent Probe of the Bush Administration's Use of Intelligence Before the Iraq War, Calling it "Twisted" and Possibly Criminal

Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark called on Friday for an independent probe of the Bush administration's use of intelligence before the Iraq war, calling it "twisted" and possibly criminal.

The retired four-star Army general and NATO commander who entered the 2004 White House race two weeks ago amid a flood of publicity and instantly rose among the leaders in some polls, said the American public needed to know if it was "intentionally deceived."

In his harshest indictment yet of President Bush, Clark said the administration's "irresponsible" Iraq policy had put Americans in danger and the United States in crisis mode at home and abroad.

snip
"Nothing could be a more serious violation of public trust than to consciously make a war based on false claims," he told a conference of military reporters and editors. "Its handling of intelligence and its retaliation against its critics may have been criminal."


"INTELLIGENCE GAP"

"We need to know if we face an intelligence gap ... because the system has been twisted to suit the prejudices of the policy makers," Clark said.
http://www.politicalstrategy.org/2003_10_04_weblog_archive.php

"This administration has played politics with national security for a long time, but this is going too far"
http://www.differentstrings.info/archives/2003/09/white_house_say.html


Clark accuses Cheney of putting politics before security
By M.E. SPRENGELMEYER
Scripps Howard News Service
January 25, 2004
http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefrm15.showMessage?topicID=30.topic
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But I'll watch the show....as I am on Pacific time, I have another hour to go. Doubt Biden will be able to so easily impress me! :hi:

[truebrit71]

33. Home run from Biden...

.."I think he makes decisions based on his instincts and then prays he's right.."

[Blue_Roses]

79. that was awesome!

:applause:

[Gabi Hayes]

35. shut UP about religion, Biden, you IDIOT

he just said that dems communicate that they don't respect others' religion, topping it off with a BS story about his mom

what a TOOL

way to advance the RW agenda, you ass

[Longhorn]

36. Affleck is one smart cookie!

He doesn't just have opinions; he backs them up with facts. I'm impressed with his knowledge of all the issues. Ben, :yourock:

[soup]

53. Affleck knows "Armageddon".

Great sense of humor, too.

[Cush]

41. Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) on now

[rusty charly]

44. maher

asking about "the end times"

45% of american xtians believe we're in the end times

[tulsakatz]

55. yeah, but.........

...people believed we were living in end times 50 yrs ago too!!

[Gabi Hayes]

43. KEY POINT: is Bush an end timer?

Phillips....YES!

do you realize how INSANE this is?

[Gabi Hayes]

45. ;FIFTY FIVE percent of his supporters are ALSO end timers!

not too scary

[rusty charly]

47. i disagree with maher

i'm not so sure i believe bush actually believes in the bible in anymore than an upper crust protestant 5pm cocktail hour kind of way.

[Sydnie]

48. I agree with you on that one -

He believes in the part that he needs to quote when the moment arises, and then forgets it shortly there after.

[ProudDad]

91. You've got that

bush cherry picks the bible just like they did the pre-war "intelligence".

[rusty charly]

51. philips:

"bush knows about as much of history as he knows how to make fried calamari"

sammon saying "intelligent design" with such fervor. hey, bill get off it.

affleck refers to one of his movies, armageddon

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. "Born Again" to get the religious nut case vote. It was a Rove PR

move before ** ran for Tx Gov.

[tulsakatz]

50. that's why he couldn't admit it in public!!

People would say 'this guy is nuts!!'

Phillips was a great guest!! He made a good point when he said what is happening now in this country has happened in other cultures that failed too. Especially regarding the massive debt........

[Idioteque]

52. Biden just called creationism 'malarkey'. :P n/t

[rusty charly]

57. biden

laying an iraq plan out

the dems are going to be stuck cleaning up this mess and spending a lot of american energy doing it.

[tulsakatz]

60. but we all knew the Democrats would have to clean it up, didn't we?

That's what I've always thought anyway. The Republicans are the guys who screw everything up and then the Democrats have to come in and figure out how to fix it again!

We know the guys who are there now don't have a clue about how to fix what they've broken!

[truebrit71]

56. Sammon is supposed to be a 'journalist'?

...What a fucking joke... :eyes:

[rusty charly]

61. not a journalist: the washington times (doesn't count)

"Bill Sammon is the White House correspondent for the Washington Times. While at the Plain Dealer in Cleveland, Bill spent two years uncovering widespread corruption at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, prompting investigations into voter fraud that resulted in the ouster of top election officials from both political parties. Bill was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize for his investigative reporting for the Washington Times on illegal fundraising by the Teamsters and the Democratic Party. Bill spent much of the last two years covering the closest presidential race in history and was one of the first reporters to arrive in Tallahassee for the post-election standoff, never leaving until it was over."


nominated? we all know what that means: a moonie nominated him.

[rusty charly]

66. sammon's made a career

writing bad bush titles: "misunderestimated"

[minkyboodle]

58. did biden just call Iran a Sunni state???

ughhh... what a difference poor Bush poll numbers
make.

[minkyboodle]

59. LOL great Maher moment

That doesn't mean they're right... hilarious

[rusty charly]

62. unfortunately for the chimp

he needs madeleine albright to negotiate in the ME. condi's a rice pilaf failure.

[Cush]

63. New rule: You can't go out to play until you finish your war

talking about Bush throwing out the first pitch in Cincy

[tulsakatz]

64. new rule

bush and mckinney together...........now there's a reality sow I would watch!

[Sydnie]

65. That was priceless! n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

67. Maher the media maven completely MISSED the McCain

reference regarding $50/hr lettuce pickers!

he talked about people picking, but didn't mention McCain!

is he THAT ignorant?

[tulsakatz]

68. new rule........

the immigrants aren't keeping wages down, it's because Congress hasn't raised the minimum wage since 1997!!!

I didn't realize it had been that long...........

Good show tonight!

[babylonsister]

70. I thought it was a great show! nt

[Idioteque]

69. Best episode in ages!

Affleck was smart and funny. Biden impressed me quite a bit. Best of all, that Republican douche got little airtime.

[tulsakatz]

71. yes it was!

Speaking of Affleck..........last yr I heard he was thinking of running for Congress. I don't think he ever did but he clearly has an interest in politics.

Yeah, I was glad the right wing idiot didn't get much airtime too!

Biden was very good too! I heard last year that he is running for President in '08.........I find some comfort from hearing a politician saying the same thing over time. Bush changes his story every time the wind changes!

[SharonRB]

74. I thought it was the best show since the first one of this season

back in the middle of February. The panels haven't been great, but Affleck and Biden were really good.

[countmyvote4real]

77. It was SO much better than last week.

I didn't have a problem with the wing nut's airtime. He hung himself out to dry every time he opened his RW spinning mouth.

I continue to be impressed by Affleck's intellect even if I'm not so impressed by his movies.

Biden is still a blow hard. It takes someone like Maher or Affleck to pin him down and make him say it again without the spin and cliches and doublespeak. There is no way he is going to be POTUS unless the CC industry funds it.

[tulsakatz]

84. another good point made by Maher.........

.........when Biden was explaining something and it took him awhile to get to his point. Bill said that sometimes there aren't easy answers to these kinds of questions.

I was glad he said that! Not everything can be reduced to a 3 word sound byte!

[minkyboodle]

83. best episode of the season

glad to see it

[Blue_Roses]

76. Great show!

:applause:

[lyonn]

80. Good show, lots of laughs

Biden and Affleck surprised me with their blunt and informative comments, good banter. McKinney was also intertaining. It looked like Maher was enjoying how she handled the show, he was setting her up to do exactly what she did, worked out great.

[Lorien]

81. Remember: the audio is free on iTunes

usually posts Monday or Tuesday in Podcasts. :hi: