NSA spying only on terrorists, my ass !!

[Justice Is Comin]

Look at this....THANK GOD ANOTHER WHISTLE BLOWER



~CLIP~ .............http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1,70619-0.html


Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.

On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.

According to a statement released by Klein's attorney, an NSA agent showed up at the San Francisco switching center in 2002 to interview a management-level technician for a special job. In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls.

"I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room," Klein wrote. "The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."

Klein's job eventually included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to the secret room. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabinets were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego.



This is what we need to prove only ONE time and Bush's ass is screwed to the wall. :applause:

[kentuck]

1. Why don't you believe the President ??

Has he ever lied to you before?...uh, don't answer that.. :sarcasm:

[Justice Is Comin]

3. Did you read the article all the way down ?

AT&T wants to keep the details secret because they may be subject to espionage. :rofl:

And the government may step in and claim "state secrets act." We have de ja vued all the way back to England.

[Cobalt Violet]

2. They must think we are all terrorist.

Clearly they are the terrorist projecting themselves on us.

I hope that this all comes to a head very soon. We need to get rid of this scourge soon.

[acmejack]

7. Well, how can they tell if you are, unless they spy on you?

If you aren't a Terrorist, you won't mind if they check! Ergo, if you have a problem with "Random Terrorist Checks" you are a Terrorist Sympathizer! These guys are into some really twisted logic...

[salin]

4. Atty Gen Gonzales said in congressional testimony last week

when asked if the pres (under the advice he gave as Legal Counsel to the WH) could authorize completely domestic spying - with no court authorization, begrudgingly Gonzales said yes with some lame qualifier along the lines of if the Pres thinks it is important (again without having to justify these determinations) per national security.

Interesting that was said a day or so before this ATT story came out.

Since day one tha the NSA story broke I have suggested that the WH talkingpoints were very carefully worded to only imply that it was limited to 'communications with suspected terrorists' but that no where did there appear to be any such specific limitation.

In the years after this administration - I suspect that the general public will come to understand the extreme ways that this administration has changed our system edging closer and closer to tyranny/despotism.

[Justice Is Comin]

6. I just thought of something.

I wonder if this may have been what Ashcroft was refusing to sign off on when they went to him in the hospital.

Gonzalez dances around every time they try to pin him on whether or not any two American citizens have been wiretapped on American soil.

He always says, "not under this program that the president authorized. I think we just found program #2.

Boy, I hope our damn Congressmen grab this and nail them to the wall.

[salin]

8. short term vs long term political effects:

I sadly don't think there will be one story that will break that will shift the debate and bring down bushco and/or his compliant GOP congress.

However, I do think it will be a lot like the long term damage of the DSM - which got little overall msm time (met by news media - as 'we already knew that they did this' even though they never reported that 'knowledge/persepctive') - but that over a period of months... probably because the whole thing fit so well with what the public had already witnessed - that conventional wisdom (aka the general public conception) shifted from "poor intel" to explain the war - to "we were decieved into war by our leaders" - (albeit with some debate as to the degree of malevolence per that deception within the public's mind). I think that over time the story item here, and another there, and three more in other places - will seep into the public psyche as accepted "fact". I think the long term effect - due to other similar long simmering stories of over-reach and abuse of power by this govt - will be the exact opposite as Rove was trying to achieve.

Rove, it is widely accepted, viewed his job to be not only bring Bushjr to power, but to carve out a one-party rule system to rule for decades. Ironically I think that not only will bush be rejected (as was Nixon years ago) - but as opposed to earlier rejections where the rejection was focused on a figure head but the overall party suffered only superficial wounds - quickly healed to quickly take power again... instead the over-reach so big - and the lack of any restraint by congressional GOP so transparent... when the full rejection occurs (philosophically - not just policitally - and the former leads to much longer term shiftings) - it will likely take down the party.

I believe it is possible we may be entering one of those rare political eras where a major politcal party begins to fade... to be replaced by something else in the void (who knows what that will be...) Given Rove's goals - I find this to be irony of historical levels.

That very long-term view said, I can not fathom how much damage to our system has already occured, and how much more damage has yet to be wraught. Though one could say that it is because of their very over reach that we may, in the future, have hope for reclaiming our system that respects the Constitutional system and its amendments - in the sense that the incremental eating away which has happened for decades will be turned back because the degree of erosion is so apparent and so appalling to the many (given - once those erosions become commonly accepted fact.)

Interesting times - eh?

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. They're too busy wasting time collecting tons of bullshit

that they don't have time to go after real terrorists.

I can't even sift through my own email no less millions of other accounts. Even with super-computers, they don't have the manpower to analysis the data and find something actionable.

And by the way, they can go ahead and read my stuff but could they at least delete the spam when they do? It would save me so much time.