I Do Believe We Have a Death Threat

[MrPrax]

from DissentVoice and linked via Raw Story's LBN

I Do Believe We Have a Death Threat

Dear Readers,

CounterPunch co-editor Jeffrey St. Clair this morning brought to my attention a screed by a disturbed individual named George M. Weinert V of Chicago, Illinois, whose blog, American Jihad, features a March 24, 2006 article (to put it charitably) that reads clearly as an incitement to violence . . . a call to "hunt down the treasonous operators" of Dissident Voice, CounterPunch, Uruknet, and other "radical left wing hippy commie Muslim sucking" (wow, what a mouthful) web sites.

Particularly singled out for targeting in Weinert’s deranged ramblings are Dissident Voice contributing writers Mike Whitney, Ken Sanders, as well as our friend and past contributing writer Kurt Nimmo. Weinert is hardly subtle in issuing what is clearly a death threat against us. Here is a snippet:

HUNT DOWN THE TREASONOUS OPERATORS of http://www.counterpunch.org/ and http://www.dissidentvoice.org/ As well as other radical left wing queer Muslim sucker web sites who are GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY LIKE THE DIRTY DOGS THEY ARE AND LET THEM MEET A CITIZEN FIRING SQUAD or the END OR A NOOSE!!!

WE MUST HUNT DOWN AND ELIMINATE THESE TERRORIST SUCKING SWINE NOW!!!

* KURT NIMO AND MIKE WHITNEY ARE THE LEADERS – TRAITORS WHO HATE AMERICA!!!
* KURT NIMO AND MIKE WHITNEY ARE MURDERING AMERICAN SOLDIERS EVERY DAY!!!
* KURT NIMO AND MIKE WHITNEY MUST PAY THE PRICE!!
THESE DIRTY BASTARDS ARE ENEMIES OF THE USA AND MUST FACE THE FIRING SQUAD!
CLEAN AND LOAD YOUR GUNS BOYS AND BUY PLENTY OF HEAVY ROPE!!!
WE MUST BRING AMERICAN JUSTICE TO THESE AMERICAN TERRORISTS NOW!
THEY MUST BE FORCED TO FACE AMERICAN JUSTICE NOW!!!

The US Government is not listening and allowing this treason to continue unabated so citizen militias must lead the charge to eliminate this threat to America now:
TO ARMS!
TO ARMS!!
TO ARMS!!!

* WE NEED TO LYNCH THESE HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIM SUCKING PIGS!
* WE NEED CITIZEN FIRING SQUADS AND IMMEDIATE ACTION NOW TO SAVE THE USA!!!
* WE MUST BRING AMERICAN JUSTICE TO THESE TRAITOROUS BASTARDS NOW!!!

The Islamofascist enemy is not only at the gates –
* HE IS THE ARAB AT THE LOCAL DOLLAR STORE
* HE IS THE PALESTINIAN AT THE LOCAL COLLEGE
* HE IS KURT NIMO and MIKE WHITNEY . . . . .”
(Full Link: http://americanjihad.blogspot.com/2006/03/treason-capital-offense.html)

Since launching Dissident Voice back in 2001, I’ve received a few e-mail threats of violence and death as well as some nasty messages on my home answering machine. For the most part, I’ve dismissed them as not being worth much thought, and usually try to deny these pathetic individuals the attention they crave. However, when such a vile incitement appears publicly on multiple websites, I take the threat more seriously. Not because this wretched figure may himself pose a serious threat, but because there are a lot of whackos out there, especially in the lunatic political climate in which we currently find ourselves here in the US, that may feel up to the task of “eliminating” the “commie bastards” if Weinert isn’t up to it himself.
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Needless to say that if any of our ilk wrote and posted such a threatening piece against our political opponents, we’d be sporting orange jumpsuits at Guantanamo and figuring out for ourselves firsthand whether sharp objects up the anus constitute mere “abuse” or torture faster than you can say “Farwa”. But when it’s right-wing nutcases and so-called “patriots” making the threats . . . no problem, threaten away!

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Blogger.com, which hosts American Jihad, was contacted this morning about Mr. Weinert’s death threat, which clearly violates the company’s stated Terms of Agreement.

I’m asking our readers and supporters to also contact Blogger.com and politely -- emphasis on politely -- query them as to why Mr. Weinert’s out-and-out death threat against the editors of Dissident Voice, CounterPunch, Uruknet and our contributing writers remains publicly accessible on their Web space, and whether “American Jihad,” whose content clearly violates Blogger’s terms of agreement, will be rebuked and prohibited from continuing to occupy Blogger space.

Blogger's email address:
[e-mail]


Enough is Enough...Let's make this one the LAST ONE!!!

[bowens43]

1. This needs to be reported to the FBI ASAP.

[rucky]

38. and I'm sure they'll get right on it.

yes, report it, but don't expect any results.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Under different circumstances and leadership, I would ordinarily suggest

contacting the FBI, but . . .

[Clark2008]

40. Actually, contacting the local office of the FBI isn't a bad idea.

Look, the Feebs are people, too, and most of the regular Joes went into law enforcement to, well, fight bad guys. They're not all bound by political means (FBI SAC John O'Neill, anyone? Not the Swiftboat John O'Neil idiot) and they're not all beholden to ShrubCo. I'm sure there are quite a few who believe in the Constitution and know that folks issuing death threats to those who would exercise their First Amendment rights should be held accountable. I actually know FBI agents like this in my area - and I'm sure my area isn't an anomaly.

The problem, of course, may arise once they investigate the claims and it goes up the chain of command, but, by then there might actually be media coverage, which would expose the issue and make some of the public aware (not all, of course. There are just some people who don't care unless it's TomKat or Bennifer). Then, there's a record and, if the political hacks at the top put a stop to the investigation or don't let it proceed to indictments, at least some people will know and be outraged.

The more and more we can get people outraged, the better chance this country has for change.

[senseandsensibility]

3. Thank you for bringing this to DU's attention

Death threats are against the law, no matter who makes them, or to whom they are made. Do you know if this "person" making the threats has been reported to homeland security? I wouldn't waste time with the owners of the blogspace. This is a much more serious, law enforcement matter. FBI, locsl police, homeland security, and local and national media should all be contacted.

[senseandsensibility]

4. dupe

deleted by OP

[benburch]

5. I believe this matter needs to be referred to the FBI.

And right now.

If you have not contacted law enforcement, you have no business whatsoever posting this here.

[unschooler]

7. Why should the OP not post it here?

If you have not contacted law enforcement, you have no business whatsoever posting this here.

Just curious as to your thinking.

[benburch]

10. I thought the OP was the person threatened?

I guess not, re-reading it.

[MrPrax]

11. Read the thing!!

They referred the matter to Chicago Police as well as the usual suspects...

The above is a plea by these sites for YOUR participation in sending a strong, but polite message to blogger.

There are somethings we can't do and then there are things we can do...

What a strange posting...

[benburch]

12. See Above.

I read it too quickly to get all of it. Sorry.

[unschooler]

6. Very, very scary. But not that far off from the right-wing e-spam that

sometimes still reaches my "in" box. What is it about the right-wing that so quickly resorts to violence, even when (maybe especially when) their party controls every imagineable corner of the government, from the courts to the agencies to the service academies?

[smirkymonkey]

8. Kicked and recommended.

This behavior should not be tolerated and we need to stop being so passive in response to right-wing hostility. Why don't democrats/liberals ever FIGHT BACK?!

[CoffeeCat]

9. What's the big deal...

...This brand of rhetoric is churned out daily by Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of the get-along-gang.

You see--if you're on the right criticizing the left--you have First Amendment rights.

However, if you're on the left--and you attempt to peacefully assemble or hold up a protest sign against the pResident---well, then you've got black helicopters landing in your backyard, your phone tapped, your mail opened and someone named "Mike" in a black SUV watching your house.

This is your country on Fascism. Any questions? Good.

[MrPrax]

13. Cockburn's weekly editorial adds more:

CP--scroll down to

Death Threats

It so happens CounterPunch is currently the object of a public death threat, and we're curious why google is a co-conspirator in this affair.

American Jihad is a site run by George M. Weinert V, of Chicago, Illinois, a 54-year old white male who describes himself as an "internet consultant and programmer", also as working in the "law enforcement and security" industry. On its homepage for March 28, 2006, beneath the headline "Treason--A Capital Offense" Weinert identifies CounterPunch as a conduit of material he deems treasonous and has this to say: (MrPrax - see above 'hate' letter to DV)
....

On the evidence of his obsession with "queers" and "arses" and "sucking", Weinert's psyche is the usual stew of repression and self-loathing. But he is calling for homicide and we're surprised that Google, which has the mightiest search engines this side of the NSA, hasn't picked up the threat with the alacrity that it displays when it thinks clients of its google ad business are churning for business. American Jihad is a subset of blogspot.com, and the registrant of blogspot.com is Google Inc. (DOM-345046), 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View CA 94043.

Dissident Voice, by the way, is run by our friend Sunil Sharma who says he's left a dark strap-on by his mailbox, in case Weinert can't figure out which house he's living in. That should get ole George V excited.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04072006.html

[Stanchetalarooni]

14. Sounds like Cat Scratch Fever gone haywire.

This is no way for a healthy person to sublimate his sexuality!

[reichstag911]

15. Feel free to contact George V at...

... [e-mail] .

[emdee]

16. I emailed blogger.com

Thanks for the info!
emdee

[DanCa]

17. Chicago Chicago that toddeling town...

man I'd move but nuts like that are all over. That's the really scarey part of this.

[lala_rawraw]

18. Done, I put this on the wire too

Forget blogger, you cannot compel them, but what you can do is file a case with the FBI for cyber stalking and such.

[mdmc]

19. i wrote to blogger .com

:shrug:

[YouthInAsia]

20. I emailed blogger for ya.

[MsMagnificent]

21. He's exhorting hate crimes

The Islamofascist enemy is not only at the gates –
* HE IS THE ARAB AT THE LOCAL DOLLAR STORE
* HE IS THE PALESTINIAN AT THE LOCAL COLLEGE

That page has been up for days, and is still up... wtf is going on?
Or is it not a hate crime when they do it?

[YouthInAsia]

22. So get this. I asked my friend who's an FBI agent and HE says...

its their first amendment right. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What did we expect. Assholes.

[Lolivia]

24. You can tell your friend

that threatening speech is NOT protected by the First Amendment. There is absolutely no right to make those kind of threats (called "true threats" in constitutional jurisprudence).


How sad that someone in national law enforcement has such a poor understanding of the most basic of constitutional issues.

[YouthInAsia]

26. Thats precisely what I told him. But he didnt care.

They're too busy spying on us and arresting anit-war protesters to "bother" with such "drivel" I suppose. I should have said "neighbor" instead of friend. Assholes.

[n2doc]

27. Maybe if Kurt and Mike change their names

to Dick Cheney and George Bush the FBI would take notice of the threat...

[YouthInAsia]

31. you're going down for making a veiled threat by suggesting

that we DO change the names and then carry out the threat. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Thats the sort of shit that would happen. Assholes.

[K-W]

28. But of course if one says it about the King... I mean President

its a crime even if your in a mental health treatment center at the time.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/33C45E7D7BAAFAC78625714A001C2FE3?OpenDocument

[leftchick]

33. but the FBI targeting peace groups who threaten no one is????

what is that? Intimidation?

[northernsoul]

46. Bullshit.

1st Amendment rights to not protect criminal conspiracies or terroristic threats. He should know better.

[CrazyForKucinich]

48. Fighting Words.

As a Mass Comm student I can attest the FBI agent is right. You can say whatever the fuck you want until it's 100% obvious you're going to carry out your attack. If he said this to your face for instance...you'd have more of a case...as he can kill you face to face. He's not going to kill you through the internet.

[Catrina]

23. That should be sent to every member of Congress and to the media

imo. As well as every law-enforcement agency responsible for dealing with terrorist threats.

Someone is going to get hurt if these people are allowed to go unchecked.

We say what Tom Delay's thugs did this week to an elderly woman at a political press conference.

I can't imagine anyone being this insane ~

Of course nothing happened to Ann Coulter either when she advocate the poisoning of a SC justice ~ and as the OP says, there are plenty of nutcases out there who may be more than willing to do harm to those who disagree with them.

This is truly disturbing ~

[DearAbby]

25. Report this at once to the authorities...

[tblue37]

35. Don't forget to send it to Olbermann. (eom)

[Rocknrule]

29. No big deal...they're threatening liberals, who are subhuman

and don't deserve to live anyway
:mad:

[suziedemocrat]

30. Goes to show you - only homicidal nut-jobs still support Bush! n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

32. How has the SCOTUS ruled on these sites? Thought it was Article 1.

If not, then prosecute away. And demand to know why Alberto Gonzales, aka Bush's Counsel disguised as an Attorney General is not doing his job.

[sheelz]

34. I came across George M. Weinert V post years ago.

He post lunatic crap everywhere! Just google him, you'll see.

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

36. Email sent! n/t

[shenmue]

37. They're insane

:scared:

[GOPFighter]

39. Just a suggestion

This Administration said preemptive strikes are now okay. "Do unto others as you believe they are about to do to you."

[YankeyMCC]

41. Done

[lonestarnot]

42. There is a couple of nutballs. Real freedom lovers egh?

[zanne]

43. Homosexual, Muslim-sucking pigs.

I haven't felt this hurt since somebody called me fat. :)

[Mr_Spock]

44. This crap needs to be challenged to the maximum

This is beyond the limit of normal inflamed rhetoric. This is very serious business. The person who wrote that must be put behind bars if the laws in this country are to mean anything. This is really bad. I'm going to refrain from making a counter-threat because it would be stupid and obvious - but this sort of bs also pisses me off.

[northernsoul]

45. Contact the Cook County Attorney's Office

this certainly qualifies as terroristic threats if nothing else. Any DUers out there familiar with the IL criminal code who can add to our knowledge on this?

[0007]

47. Now that's what I call stiring up the shit by the insane.

El Paso, and hasta la vista MoFo.

[Timbuk3]

49. That *IS* a terrorist threat

DHS should be notified, and if they don't take action the news media should publicize it.

[Zhade]

50. Kick for later

Kick