To all Freepers Who Feel Bush Has The Right.....

[Joe Fields]

to de-classify top secret documents anytime he feels, I would like to point out that the proper method of doing so does not involve telling the Vice President to direct an underling to leak information to the press.Cabinet department heads and specific congressional leaders must be notified first. You don't skulk and sneak around, like a pet who has just gotten into your garbage, knowing that what you did was improper, and then lie about it, pretending you knew nothing, like a five year-old child would do, when asked if he was responsible for breaking his mother's expensive Limoge' figurine.

Two questions arise: Which came first, the chickenhawk, or the de-classification egg that Bush laid? It is a matter yet unclear, as to whether the leakage came first, then the de-classification, which would then raise the question, "Is this an impeachable offense?

Question two: The Bush administration claims that it is okay to de-classify a top security document, "If it is in the best interest of the nation." So, given that lame defense, tell me, how in the hell was it in the best interest of the nation to leak the information in the NIE document?

Are you to say that whatever is in Bush's best interests are the best interests of our country?

The trouble with habitual liars is that they can never fully remember all of their lies, and they can never be able to fully cover their tracks. The truth eventually comes out, even if it is in drips and drabs.

Bush is not only criminal and a habitual liar; he is also a coward for not having the balls to admit his action, allowing Libby to lie and cover up for him. Now Libby faces a 30 year jail sentence.

With friends like these.....

[boobooday]

1. Oh the unmitigated cowardice

That's his trademark, his entire life. Someone else always pays the price.

[SPKrazy]

2. So Post It At FR, Okay?

I mean, you are preaching to the choir here

I always wonder why posters address posts to "freepers" here.

I guess there are always lurking freepers about, but why not register there, and post it. I'm sure you wouldn't last long, but you'd at least have a chance of more Freepers reading it I would think.

[Joe Fields]

6. Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse Me!

[Atman]

9. Lots of Freepers read this board

One site even has a "Best of DU" section.

[Joe Fields]

11. Thank you!

[BOSSHOG]

10. I believe such posts merit our attention

We may pick up a point that can be used in the future. And maybe a lurker will take a moment and read and think (not likely). And surely, such a post would not last three seconds over there. I have no problem being preached to by my kind; although I prefer the moron "conservative" preaching to me and then asking for feedback.

[Why Syzygy]

18. Why do people ask that?

Someone asked me the other day why I was posting something. I explained. No word from them that they understood. If something doesn't catch your attention or is not addressed to you, why read it and then question the OP? That seems nonsensical. Posting is what this forum is all about. If someone has something to add, even better. Why do some feel the need to subtract?

[opihimoimoi]

3. He has reached a point where the Pubs are mulling over IMPEACHMENT

to save themselves from being destroyed beyond repair...

[ixion]

4. to the Freepers I say this:

ask yourself if you'd be okay with this if it were Clinton. You all know damn well you'd be screaming bloody murder, IMO.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Ya know, I'd really like to hear their thoughts on your question or

rather their spin and justifications. I'm sure my head would :nuke:

[BOSSHOG]

13. If Clinton had called for massive tax cuts

and the defunding of every social program in the government, "conservatives" would have have found fault with it. They are criminal, ignorant trash who are costing this country way too much.

[PurpleChez]

19. If this were Clinton, the talk radio whack-jobs would have been

lining up the firing squad months ago. They wouldn't be "mulling impeachment" -- they'd be demanding summary execution. There is always some hypocrisy in politics, but 21st century freepers are absolutely unprecedented in their duplicity.

[Joe Fields]

23. Ken Starr crawled up Clinton's rectum for more several years,

and the only finding of any wrongdoing was a lie about a blow job, under oath in a case that was thrown out of court. You damned well know that if Clinton had done JUST ONE, of any number of things that Bush has done, he would have been summarily executed.

[seabeyond]

5. they dont feel bush has the right, they strongly disagree. they are

merely lying to themselves to protect their lying leakin president

they know better. so to reason with them is a waste of time. they already know

[Joe Fields]

14. I understand and agree with what you said. Just trying to expose

their lame defense of the "leaker-in-chief" for what it is, the defense of the indefensible.

I have to believe that, deep down they know what the score is. It must be hard to have to admit to yourself that you were lied to and hoodwinked by someone you believed strongly in.

[salin]

16. I agree... indeed I think they have just gotten reflexively reactive

it must be so tiring to be a Brand W republican... all the contortions one has to do to rationalize the actions of bush, and the additional heavy lifting and frothing at the mouth to feign outrage at criticism when one knows something is very, very wrong in the House that Bush Built.

[seabeyond]

17. i have asked my repugs, arent you tired of having to defend bush

time and time and time and time again, about things you KNOW, BELIEVE are wrong. arent you just exhausted. they are

i tell them, this is a clue.....wink

on edit. this plame, i told my people about it before election adn they all dismissed me as conspiracy, outrageous...... no way is that true. bush outing cia.....

they are remembering i said way back when. when they thought there was no way bush would do this. they are remembering me telling them bush was spying on americans, and lyin to go to war. before they said no he wouldnt do that, now they have to defend

[salin]

20. I often refer to planting of seeds.. that later become seeds of doubt

which when finally finding fertile grounds of discomfort by growing doubts... start forcing a crack in the facade.

So when they now have to defend - esp if the pull the "it isn't a leak, cuz he can declassify" (strawman) - go back to the "he wouldn't do that" belief expressed a couple of years ago and ask them to speculate on why he DID it (even if one concedes the 'declassifying' line - it doesn't explain motive).

[seabeyond]

21. and then lying ,... to our face. from the repugs that were so outraged

that clinton lied,.... to us americans, to our face.

you are right on.

i live in reddest of red. i have 8 sitckers on my car, and not a single confrontation. i talk about the corrupt bush and repug all over the place, and silence. they may not agree and they do not argue, nor say a word. they are silent.

[salin]

24. Your red is a bit redder than mine (per home area)...

shifting point here began back with the Schaivo debacle. Then Mitch starting running roughshod over the state and suddenly its "Ditch Mitch!" which has bled into a big BashBush party. More and more folks either join in or fall silent rather than getting loud to defend Bush - and I can't tell you the last time I heard anyone defend Mitch.

[Atman]

7. Scotty was hammered repeatedly with this point yesterday

Not surprisingly, he refused to answer. He pretended to answer, but never actually did.

The reporter repeatedly asked WHEN any such "declassification" become legal, codified. Is the information declassified from the moment the president utters the words, or does paperwork have to be filed, a motion issued, some sort of record made. "The president believes he has the legal authority...blah blah blah," Scotty repeated.

"But when does that authority actually start? From the moment he says "I declassify this? Isn't there a procedure, don't certain people have to be informed? When exactly is the information declassified?"


(BTW, I'm paraphrasing from memory here; this isn't a transcript.)


"The president believes he has the legal authority...blah blah blah," ad infinitum.

As usual, Scotty knows he's full of shit. I'm surprised McMoonface is so fat...you'd think he'd get lots of excerise carrying all that water for the president.

[tulsakatz]

28. I don't know the procedure but.....

...I do know there is one! For instance, he can't just say it's declassified and that's it.

I heard John Dean say that when something is declassified, the head of the CIA has to be informed. In this case, that would have been Tenet and he was not informed.

And even if they had followed the proper procedure it still would not have made a difference because the info was leaked 10 days BEFORE it was declassified.

[ClassWarrior]

8. This is EXACTLY the way that Bush** is making our nation weaker.

NGU.

[janx]

15. These should give you a laugh...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=cialeak


The depths of denial!

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry when I see willful ignorance of this magnitude.

[OnyxCollie]

25. Took a trip to Freeperville.

Now I'm lighting the smudge sticks to purify my computer.

[MODemocrat]

22. Bush's mental status is what worries me most

and it seems that so many are just sweeping this under the rug! He's never wrong about anything, and will blame anyone by twisting the truth until it makes no sense. The democrats go merrily on their way, drawing their inflated salaries.The right wing, who simply can't bear the thought of being guilty of picking a loser for president, continue to cover up, and smoothe over to justify every thing he does.

When Bush breaks the law, he changes the law to fit his crime. Now he's caught at his own game of the supposed "leaks", he just simply says they were de-classified. Everything just seems to fade away. One of these days, circumstances will change, and everyone who's made him a figmnent of their imagination, are going to be scrambling to steer clear of the crazy kook. :crazy: :scared:

[Joe Fields]

26. There are those within the administration who swear Bush...

honestly believes he is "on a mission from God."

I don't buy it. He is on a mission, alright, to enrich his family and friends. The rest is all just window dressing.

[emulatorloo]

27. If it was all above board, why did Bush let Judy sit in jail?

Why did they have Libby leak it to Judy as "a former Hill staffer"