Here's Seymour Hersh's New Yorker article re Iran:

[charlyvi]

God help us!!!





THE IRAN PLANS
Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Issue of 2006-04-17
Posted 2006-04-10


The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former American military and intelligence officials said that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium.

American and European intelligence agencies, and the International Atomic Energy Agency (I.A.E.A.), agree that Iran is intent on developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons. But there are widely differing estimates of how long that will take, and whether diplomacy, sanctions, or military action is the best way to prevent it. Iran insists that its research is for peaceful use only, in keeping with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and that it will not be delayed or deterred.

There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President Bush’s ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ ”



The rest is here:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact

[MnFats]

1. We ALREADY have troops on the ground there!

Bush believes "saving Iran" will be his legacy.
Guess "bringing democracy to Iraq kinda fell by the wayside...
Good Christ this man is insane.
We NEED a Seven Days in May scenario......

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[MnFats]

8. no, no, hell no.

the reference is to a film of the same name....
Kirk Douglas, Burt Lancaster.
A clique in the military decides to pull a coup.
it's busted before it takes power and the military are the bad guys -- they decide to stage the coup after the fictional president signs a treaty with the soviets... --

I just had this momentary fantasy that the military would stand up and say 'mr. president,' we've had enough of fighting your useless wars...and we're not doing it any more..."

[charlyvi]

10. Great movie.

If it were released today, it would probably be called subversive.

[mhr]

15. The Reference Is Known - If The Military Takes Someone Out

Let's have it done in public for all to see.

[charlyvi]

3. The scarey part is:

He actually believes dropping bombs on Iran will cause the Iranian people to overthrow their government and welcome our version of democracy. As though Iranians will blame their own government rather than the nation actually dropping the bombs!

Yikes!

:scared:

[YouthInAsia]

7. you forgot to mention that those bombs are NUCLEAR BOMBS!

Holy shit. "This is the end, of everything that stands, the end." Doors

[xchrom]

4. and we thought terrorism was bad up til now.

[charlyvi]

5. If he does this, it will fire up the world's muslims against us....

Not to mention turning us into a rogue nation--a pariah in the eyes of the world.

[xchrom]

6. it'll be exciting, that's for sure.

[MnFats]

11. yeah. the world's one billion muslims would unite..

...and even those who tended toward favoring the U.S. would join jihad
think of that.....one billion people after our ass.

[charlyvi]

14. And no one could say they weren't right.

The world, muslim and non-muslim alike, would rally to their cause.

[Glimmer of Hope]

32. His plans are the exact opposite of what we should be doing.

Instead of building relationships with the Muslim world we are creating more and more enemies. It makes me sick to think of all the money spent on bombs and Halliburton that could have been spent to foster positive relationships. This is article is so disturbing to me. :(

[pacalo]

31. Dim-sun is not spreading freedom; he's spreading terrorism.

Wherever our troops attack/invade, the terrorists will go.

[charlyvi]

33. He has to spread it in order to fight it......

Grabbing more and more power along the way; stripping us of more and more of our civil rights. Turning this country into a pariah among the nations of the world.

[pacalo]

34. I hope the straw that breaks this insane camel's back is very, very near.

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

36. Your comparison is an insult to dim sum!

Oops. I misread "dim-sun" as "dim-sum." My bad.

[pacalo]

37. Actually, I meant to say "dim-son".

My apologies to this special treat:

[TomClash]

9. An outstanding piece of excellent journalism nt

[charlyvi]

12. I don't think Hersh can write bad journalism.

Thank God he isn't intimidated. He puts most journalists we have these days to shame.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

22. Well "The Dark Side of Camelot" is a bit iffy

But yeah, he's been tops throughout the Bush years, breaking some major stories. Thank God the New Yorker is willing to invest the time & money into proper investigative journliasm.

[TomClash]

30. Agreed

He has "protection" and so he can't really be touched. Look where his sources are.

[MnFats]

13. Hersh is my hero. He deserves some kind of lifetime award..

....for dragging into the open information that arrogant high officials in goverment tried tooth and nail to keep secret...

[charlyvi]

16. He'll probably get one....

When all the bushit clears. I just hope it's during his lifetime (and mine).

[TomClash]

29. Ditto and kick!

[Neil Lisst]

17. But who will protect US from George Schicklgrube?!!

[charlyvi]

18. What worries me is what he will do if he thinks he's going down.

Shrub strikes me as the type that wouldn't go down quietly--if he falls, everyone pays. Scary.

[Neil Lisst]

19. I think he's dangerous as hell once the 06 elections pass

win or lose in 06, he could do whatever he thinks God and destiny call on him to do, however wack that may be

[Terran1212]

20. Iraq's "insurgency" would increase 10x overnight if he bombed Iran

He cannot be that crazy to start WW3.

[charlyvi]

21. From your lips to God's ear. n/t

What I meant was hopefully he isn't that crazy--not that I wish the world's muslim insurgency to increase by 10x. Just thought I'd clear that up.

[htuttle]

28. As the article points out...

A retired four-star general told me that, despite the 8,000 British troops there, "the Iranians could take Basra with ten mullahs and one sound truck."

[KittyWampus]

23. One lone Democrat has been consulted. ZERO opposition from Congress

In recent weeks, the President has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of Congress, including at least one Democrat. A senior member of the House
the only way to do Iran is use of 'tactical' nuclear weapons.

Appropriations Committee, who did not take part in the meetings but has discussed their content with his colleagues, told me that there had been “no formal briefings,” because “they’re reluctant to brief the minority. They’re doing the Senate, somewhat selectively.”

The House member said that no one in the meetings “is really objecting” to the talk of war. “The people they’re briefing are the same ones who led the charge on Iraq. At most, questions are raised: How are you going to hit all the sites at once? How are you going to get deep enough?” (Iran is building facilities underground.) “There’s no pressure from Congress” not to take military action, the House member added. “The only political pressure is from the guys who want to do it.” Speaking of President Bush, the House member said, “The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.”

Some operations, apparently aimed in part at intimidating Iran, are already under way. American Naval tactical aircraft, operating from carriers in the Arabian Sea, have been flying simulated nuclear-weapons delivery missions—rapid ascending maneuvers known as “over the shoulder” bombing—since last summer, the former official said, within range of Iranian coastal radars.

[charlyvi]

26. And I wonder if the "one lone democrat" is Lieberman.

God help us!

[Theduckno2]

39. I wanted to know who the lone Democrat was when I read it.

This news sure makes it hard to enjoy my late dinner though.

I just hope, whoever was consulted, that they appreciate the implications of what they are contemplating. They should also consider the implications of just having contemplated these actions.

I realize that some sabre-rattling can be effective, but this is different. I presently cannot support a preemptive strike against Iran.

[phusion]

24. I hope that Amy Goodman

talks with Hersh about this article within the next couple of weeks.

[cynatnite]

25. What frightens me most...

Speaking of President Bush, the House member said, “The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.”

:scared:

[charlyvi]

27. He's a Dominionist.

He manipulates everything towards the end of the world. Global warming, preemptive wars, faith based initiatives. None of the destruction matters to him because it all catalyzes his end of the world vision. He's crazy. I used to think he was just evil and sneaky, but now I actually think the man's batshit crazy.

[C_U_L8R]

35. I think Bush's dominionist act

is just that.. an act... a handy diversion so he and his oil
pals can rob the country and the world.
The man is a Connecticut raised preppy... schooled at
Andover and Yale with a bunch of other spoiled rich kids.
That's not fundie breeding ground... furthest thing in fact.
Bush is an oil man.. a capitalist... and every move he's made
has (successfully) profited himself and his inner group of friends,

I just don't buy the aw-shucks Jesus act... it seems pretty fake.

[PassingFair]

38. All reasons are fake except...

O-I-L

These *sshats see EVERYTHING through a film of O-I-L.

They are energy eating monsters.