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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:42 PM
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70 Years Ago, There was another Madman and Another Government
Edited on Sat Apr-08-06 11:43 PM by TheWatcher
That thought it could act without impedance and consequence.

Another Madman given absolute power to do whatever he wanted, however he wanted.

Another Madman who invaded sovereign Countries who were no threat to his own, based on lies, deception, and pure fantasy.

Another Madman who slaughtered and tortured millions of innocents, destroyed entire cultures and civilizations at his whim.

Another Madman who crowned himself absolute ruler and King, answerable to no law, no official, and no constituent.

Another Madman who ruled through fear, lies, and propaganda.

We have seen this story before.

Many of us lived it.

And All Of Us Know how that Madman's story ended, and the fate his country suffered because of it.

Tonight I ask all Americans one single question......

Is this to be how OUR story ends too?
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:48 PM
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1. I believe our story will end when the US disintegrates like the USSR
A corrupt nation can destroy itself with greed just as easily as any of its enemies can with armies and warplanes. I don't think we have to worry about the continental US being invaded. We have more to fear from our own government's power than we do about the armies of some foreign nation.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:55 PM
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2. I would agree to that. I think the more general nature of my question
would be is our country going to be destroyed because of a Madman like the one from 70 years ago.

More than likely it will not be millitary intervention from other nations that does us in.

In all honesty, the other nations of the world could destroy us economically without firing a shot.

A USSR like disentegration is even more likely than that.

I weep for my country this night because I truly do not know it anymore.
these people have to be stopped.

NOW.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:01 AM
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6. In my mind, the answer more likely is "madmen"
You think Bush is mad? The men who bankrolled these guys into office, those are the real madmen, and they hold no political office with which the people can hold them accountable through the ballot box. Bush is ultimately their servant.

These men in the world of big business knew what they were doing by buying out politicians and bankrolling them. They get their money, and we get pain in return.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:10 AM
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8. And that, Selatius, is right on the money.
It is all about the Power behind the power.

B*sh, Cheney, et al, are merely tools.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:59 PM
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5. he he... then Texas will be the new Ukraine, Idaho Belarus
and they will fight the Mexicans like the Russians fight Chechnya


well maybe Louisiana will ask to join the EU with New England...
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:57 PM
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3. The comparisons are undeniable
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 12:00 AM by ribrepin
My latest fantasy is that each state splits off as a separate country. I was listening to Governor Brian Schweitzer from Montana on Ed schultz talking about how leadership has to come from the governors because there is no leadership in Washington D.C. Governor schweitzer was referring to how Montana has taken the bull by the horns and implemented wind power for some of their electrical needs.

I've also heard the governor of Arizona is threatening to withhold federal taxes that they need to protect the border. I think we may eventually have a rebellion of the governors.
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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 11:58 PM
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4. 30 Years Ago
There was a similar madman right here in the USA....
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:16 AM
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9. Sorry, Nixon doesn't compare to these nutbags
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 12:17 AM by ribrepin
Nixon inherited a war, he didn't start one and he eventually ended it. Nixon didn't cut taxes for the wealthy and run up the highest debt ever for future generations to pay off. Nixon didn't try to privatize Social Security. During Nixon's time, the border was more secure. Nixon went to China.

He did spy on Americans and he had his enemies list. I long for the days of tricky Dick and this is coming from a woman who rode around with a bumper sticker saying "Don't blame me, I voted for Mcgovern."
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:05 AM
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7. Once more...The 14 characteristics of fascism....
The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.
Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need". The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived
common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding,
and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public
opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the
government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power,
creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated
entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon
for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the
arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing
to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or
even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the
media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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