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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:30 AM
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Empathy ....it's what's missing in those who spew hate in Jesus name ...
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“Empathy is an essential component of human social life. It tells us that a child’s cry means discomfort or hunger or allows us to relate pleasure to a smile and pain to lament. Empathy permits us to come together and communicate, and it requires significant personal effort. Most importantly for our arguments here, empathy is essential for the resolution of racial oppression and conflict.”

Feagin and Vera, also argue:

Sympathy means feeling sorry for someone; empathy involves identifying strongly with the circumstances and pain of another human being…”

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http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/04/08/white-racism-and-empathy-or-the-lack-thereof-4/
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:38 AM
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1. I was just thinking of the....
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:41 AM by physioex
American Talibornagains today, and I realized the are being used by Shrubco just like all of us. Guess they are just too stupid to realize they been had....

On Edit: Hello There NVMojo how are things going? Long time no see.... :hi:
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:40 AM
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2. Thomas Harris...
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:40 AM by shenmue
called radio evangelists "raving sociopaths." (A number of years ago, in Red Dragon.)

It applies to that type of person no matter where they are.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:43 AM
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3. where would you be without wiki?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:40 AM
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4. They can't let themselves experience empathy
To experience empathy one must consider the other individual human, and the fundies thrive on dehumanizing their opponents. To them gays are "perverts", women who get abortions are "whores", Democrats are "evil liberals", non-believers are "heathens" and so on. Never are people on the other side seen as human beings, but just as labels. To see them as humans would make it harder for the fundies to justify their hatred and oppression of them.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:16 AM
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6. You have wisdom far beyond most people in this country.
:yourock: :thumbsup: :applause: :hi:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:41 PM
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11. Thank you
:hi:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:42 AM
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5. lack of empathy is characteristic of sociopathy
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:33 AM
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7. Not just for Christians anymore...
The lack of empathy is not limited to those "who spew hate in Jesus' name." As a matter of personal experience, quite a few of the people I have met spew hate and have no reverence for Jesus or any other deity, nor is that their reason.

Since the link you provided isn't working for me, I am only going on what is posted. Perhaps, there is more, but I can only address what I read here, so, Feagin and Vera are not very savvy. "Sympathy" is not "feeling sorry for someone," that is "pity!" Although 'pity' can be a synonym for 'sympathy,' it usually describes a mutual understanding between someone and another's issue/concern. More correctly, "sympathy" is understanding another's problem without actually experiencing it. Whereas "empathy" is understanding through an actual experience shared with another.

An example: You hear that a friend's sister dies suddenly.

Sympathy, as pity: "Oh friend, I am so sorry for your pain! I hope you feel better and have the love and support you need." (Thoughts are about your friend.)

Sympathy, as sympathy: "Oh friend, it pains me at your loss. I can only imagine what that pain must be like. You have my love and support. I will share your pain to the best of my ability. (Thoughts are about how you would feel in the same circumstance.)

Empathy: "Oh friend, I am feel your pain as I, too, lost my sister. Let me share your pain.


Another example (considering the authors are talking about race (not religion)): Your friend, who is African-American is called a "nigger."

Sympathy, as pity: "Oh friend, I am so sorry for your pain! That was mean of that person to say and I don't think that way!" (Thoughts are about your friend and exonerating yourself.)

Sympathy, as sympathy: "Oh friend, it pains me you endured that slur. I can imagine what that pain must be like, as I have been called a "faggot." You have my love and support. I will share your pain to the best of my ability. (Thoughts are about how you would feel in the same circumstance. While 'nigger' and 'faggot' are both slurs, the implications are different, and sometimes, the reactions are different.)

Empathy: "Oh friend, I am feel your pain as I, too, have been called a nigger (and you are African-American). Let me share your pain.


So what does the aforementioned even mean? Well, one does not have to be a part of a group in order to feel their pain. They may not understand the full ramifications because they are not of the group being 'attacked,' but they are doing the best they can do to understand. That is true sympathy. Although, I sometimes believe that someone who can experience real, unadulterated sympathy, may actually be experiencing empathy.

My best friend is an African-American woman. I am not AA, nor am I a woman. But, when I hear her tell me about her struggles on the job, I can relate. I can't relate in the "exact" same way, but I can 'identify' with her pain. I know what it is like to be treated differently because I am gay; however, I am still white and male, and so I still have some privilege she will not see until we are all "truly" sympathetic or empathetic.

Finally, the paragraph chosen for quotation....SUCKS!

“Empathy is an essential component of human social life. It tells us that a child’s cry means discomfort or hunger or allows us to relate pleasure to a smile and pain to lament. Empathy permits us to come together and communicate, and it requires significant personal effort. Most importantly for our arguments here, empathy is essential for the resolution of racial oppression and conflict.”


"Empathy" is not an essential component of human social life, understanding is! One can 'understand' another by experience of the same thing or something similar, or even, imagining oneself in the same position. A "child's cry" may not be about discomfort or hunger, it may be fear or anger. If you "understand" that, then you will be better able to address the needs of the child. Furthermore, a "smile" doesn't always mean "pleasure." If you really understand a person, you will know if the smile is one of pleasure or embarrassment, pain, nervousness, or humility.

The authors' assert that "(e)mpathy permits us to come together and communicate..." and they are almost correct. Empathy is an important component, but, understanding is what will really allow togetherness and honest communication!

So, I have a question for the original poster (and a few others), why post this topic with a subject line that singles out one specific group, almost as if to imply that those who claim themselves followers of Jesus spew hate that is the root of the problem? Why not simply say..."Empathy ....it's what's missing in those who spew hate...?"
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sweetpotato Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:47 AM
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8. question...
Does this mean it is impossible to empathize for anyone outside of one's own subset?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:50 AM
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9. In the technical sense...
...some would say "yes." However, I have found that some experiences are so parallel, that I feel, even if not a part of the "subset," then it is still possible to feel empathy. But, that is only my opinion, and not a strict adherence to the meaning of the word, as I understand it.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 05:55 PM
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13. Extremist Christian hate is a more immediate threat to the rest of us
That's my understanding of it.

There's also probably a subtext of contempt for "un-Christian" behavior or attitude. I can sympathize, even though I've never been Christian myself.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:32 AM
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10. So true. Jesus is about love.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:43 PM
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12. Who said
"Evil is not the opposite of good, but the absence of Empathy?" Was it Aquinas?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 05:58 PM
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14. Isn't That Applicable To Anyone Who Spews Hate For Any Reason?
Has nothing to do with Jesus really, has all to do with spewing hate.
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