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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:32 PM
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FAMILY WAR! MY MOTHER BREAKS THE TRUCE!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:33 PM by Pryderi
I'm so fucking pissed. I honored my mother and father's request not to talk politics back in 2004, and then my mother forwards me the chain letter she received:


>Read all of this one, it is interesting!! Read down to the very bottom highlighted in green , you don't want to miss this!
>
>VERY INTERESTING -
>
>1 The garden of Eden was in Iraq
>
>2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!
>
>3. Noah built the ark in Iraq
>
>4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq
>
>5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq !
>
>6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq !
>
>7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq
>
>8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq
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>9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel
>
>10. Amos cried out in Iraq !
>
>11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem
>
>12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !
>
>13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)
>
>14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw th e "writing on the wall" in Iraq
>
>15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq
>
>16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq
>
>17. The wise men were from Iraq
>
>18. Peter preached in Iraq
>
>19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq !
>
>And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq ! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.
>
>Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.
>
>No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq
>
>And also... This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...
>
>The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
>
>Koran ( 9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
>
>(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !
>
>I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE DELETED. This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq Pass it on to everyone and pray. Something good will happen to you tonight at 9:11 PM. This is not a joke. Someone will eithe r call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you. Do not break this chain. Send this to 13 people in the next 15 minutes. Go.

I am trying to calm down long enough to send a "reply all" to every person in the chain including the names included in the forwarded messages.

I'm really fucking pissed...goddamn dominionists!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:35 PM
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1. You could also mention that the quoted verse from the Q'uran
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:16 PM
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23. what freaks! can't get the facts straight. nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:37 PM
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2. Well, this does call for a list of Jesus's words about false prophets
and how "by their works shall ye know them." However, my guess is that you won't make many friends on the list.

I'd just tell her that whole thing is the most unchristian load of crap I'd ever read and if she does it again her email will be blocked. Then do it.

The telephone is nicer. Not only do you get to hear her voice, you get to hang up if she starts testifying.

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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:37 PM
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3. This is sick and I'll bet idiot boy repeats this crap daily. grrr nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:37 PM
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4. AGAIN with that fake Koran Verse? These idiots just LOVE to be wrong!
That verse is an OOOOOOLD hoax, but the Vast FundiTudes are still spreading it...

You simply cannot educate people who REFUSE TO LEARN.

Koran, Chapter 9, Verse 11:
"But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate,
they are your brethren in faith;
and we make the communications clear for a people who know."
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:44 PM
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as long as we're just making shit up, here's a quote that I declare real:
"And the Lord sayeth, "I am pissed at the defilers. Let those with pale skin destroy all the brown people, steal their oil and lay waste their nations. Then shall I be pleased. Then let all believe precisely the same thing. Otherwise I shall nuke their ass."

(reference only the snopes thing above, OK?)
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:38 PM
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5. I'm sorry to say but your mom is a fool
this email is full of false information and just plain ignorance.
And tell her to go read the Koran... that verse does not exist.
Her fundie friends are decieving her. No surprise.

Sorry to insult your Mom... but people need to siop being so freekin' dumb
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:38 PM
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6. send all of them this

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:42 PM
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11. Good one, Neil.
I was thinking of responding with the Sermon on the Mount!

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:51 PM
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20. they hate having Jesus quoted to them, especially his liberal stuff
like those verses.

Could he have been any clearer about the duty to take care of the least among us? Sometimes you have to wonder what kind of "logic" they go through which allows them to blow right past these kinds of instructions.

He told them not to judge others, and that's all they do.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:49 AM
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60. They are descendents of the money changers driven out of
the temple.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:46 PM
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15. Matthew is my boy.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:53 PM
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21. Matthew probably followed in time Mark, and both rely on an
unnamed source some call Q.

Matthew seems devoted to establishing that Jesus was the fulfillment of Hebrew prophecies.

Matthew is my favorite book in the NT.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:20 PM
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26. That's one of the best graphics I've ever seen..n/t
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:02 PM
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42. glad you like it!
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 04:04 PM by Neil Lisst
I wrote it. My partner in Canada drew it. Exactly as I imagined it.

He occasionally reads the board here, so he might see your admiration.

I was always stricken by the image of that poor man standing there, with electric wires strung on him. I thought it looked like a Christmas tree, so I wrote a cartoon to express my horror at what has become of the simple living instructions Jesus gave. Those who say they follow him ignore those simple instructions in favor of torturing those they imprison.

Every time I think of the image of that man standing there, I am pained that the world sees that as America.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:59 AM
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64. absolutely
:applause:

(I'd also be impressed by a version without the lights--the irony would be even more stark. Nice work--the juxtaposition of that picture and that quote should humble any Christian.)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:00 PM
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65. Good 'toon Neil.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:39 PM
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7. This has been debunked by snopes- fake reference to the Quran n/t
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:40 PM
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8. Iraq is a sacred place
That's why Bush is destroying it?
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:40 PM
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9. Huh. Seems like everyone got the fuck out of Iraq as soon as they could.
Abraham, Noah, the Ten Tribes, even Adam and Eve. Also, there's nothing biblical about Peter going to Iraq. Seems to me that the lesson God is sending through Prophet Murtha has a lot of biblical antecedents.

I hate to ask what happened at 9:11 p'm. I suppose it has something to do with the attack on the WTC, but since nobody notes that it's now standard time....

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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:42 PM
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10. *snort*
I'm sorry -- I know you are mad. I would be too if we had a truce in the family. But there are so many funny things in this email...

You can start by asking folks how Jesus got into the fiery furnace when Jesus wasn't around then yet -- hadn't been given a name way back then yet, either.

And I just have to laugh every time I see the superstitious end-lines on this propaganda. "I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE" and the 'ribbon for soldiers' bullshit. I thought religious folk didn't believe in superstitious threats like that. And if they want to do something for the soldiers, for God's sake, send them some armor.

Good luck -- and the more calm you can manage to make yourself, the more effective your response will be. If it's all anger, they'll write you off as a crazy like they always do. Just a suggestion -- and again, I'm so sorry. My entire family is just like them. Hang in there.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:44 PM
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12. No offense to your mom, but...
We should all call her at 9:11 and tell her she needs to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:45 PM
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13. I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE DELETED.
Ah, the omnipotent email gods. They always scare me. :cry:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:25 PM
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29. I know! Jeez! This one was really bad!
I've never seen an email forward that was a threatening as this! And, of course, they had to bring in the troops for this one.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:45 PM
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14. Not being nosy but did your mother grow up during the 60's and 70's?
I knew a guy who went batshit crazy after a bad LSD trip during that period while doing some heavy duty window pane acid. He never was right after that. He began talking insane like your mother appears to be doing. I am thinking if your mother was a teenager back during that era the same thing may have happened to her?

Don
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:48 PM
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16. Be sure to send this link showing ALL the BS
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 01:49 PM by Whoa_Nelly
that this chain letter claims:

(BTW-I received this same fucked up chain letter, and sent all the below information as a REPLY ALL to go to everyone this person had sent the BS.)

http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVarticles/FlawsInTheIraqInterestingEMail.htm
<snip>
Once again, an e-mail "chain letter" is being circulated which is a hoax filled with misleading information that should NOT be spread by anyone. It is full of false teaching about the Bible and history, and generally very much wrong. It won't try to rip you off, or make you send all your money to Nigeria, or trash your system, but it is mostly false, and seems to encourage a whole raft of false ideas about the Bible, prophecy, history, and origins. This has appeared before and I wrote the responses for a study done for some churches up in South Dakota, when this was first circulated several years ago. Please pass this on, to spread the word.

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

No it wasn't - or if by some strange coincidence it was, there is no way of proving it. A careful study of the Bible will show that nowhere is the location identified. Yes, the Bible does state that two of the rivers flowing out of Eden were the Tigris and Euphrates, but using that to justify this claim is like saying that the capital of the British Empire really was located in Connecticut because there is a Thames River there, or that ancient Germans actually lived in North America because there is a Rhine River in Wisconsin. The location of the Garden of Eden is not known because the Noahic Flood completely reshaped the entire earth.

And another link, same info:

http://www.crivoice.org/urbanlegend.html
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:24 PM
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28. Great link! This is a point by point rebuttal. n/t
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:52 PM
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39. Yes! Great link. Send it at 9:11 p.m. tonight!
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:02 PM
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43. Cool! Christian sources debunking most w/ Snopes debunking the Koran 9:11
part. Using FACTS helps but when those facts come from a Christian church and a Christian org it makes it that much difficult for them to deny the real truth... they've been duped.

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:32 PM
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50. the Tigris and Euphrates "flow out of" Turkey, anyway.
Headwaters of both are well into modern day Turkey.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:49 PM
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17. What a load of shit.
Your mom needs to be institutionalized.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:49 PM
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18. Send this: Blessed are the peacemakers
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:50 PM
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19. Oh my word.
How contemptuous of your mother. Sending this offensive stuff to you when you had an agreement not to exchange political opinions, is awful. I don't know what I'd do in your place, beyond simply telling her that you were disappointed that she chose not to honor your truce, and ask her to please refrain from sending you any similar material as you find it offensive. I hope it all works out.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:54 PM
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22. gather photos of the bombed out mosques..in iraq..and the
bloody and murdered children...and ask her what her god thinks of that!

fly
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:35 PM
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24. Oh, ICK! Poor you *hugs*
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:15 PM
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25. And Iraq was so central to the Bible we had to turn it into a bloodbath
I blocked the person who sent me this kind of stuff, even though she had been a good friend in the past. Its delusional and damaging.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:23 PM
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27. I love you Pryderi!
There. Someone told you she loved you online and it's not even 9:11!!!!! So, now you don't have to forward this, but sounds like you DO need to "Reply All" just for your own peace of mind.

Maybe you could think of a reply and send it at 9:11 p.m. tonight?
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:37 PM
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35. Yes, and start it by saying 'I'm writing this to you all because I love
you too much to let you be fooled once again.' Then use the material posted above to rebut the email, particularly the Koran quote with a link so they can see for themselves. It's a great opportunity to educate them and to cause them in the future to question this garbage when they get it.

Btw, sorry the OP was put in this position. But think of it as an opportunity rather than an insult. Imagine if we had been able to refute all this fantasy with facts when it first began? It's never too late though ~
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:48 PM
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52. yes, these people need to KNOW that they are being used
if it makes just one of them question the crap that they receive as "talking points", then you have done them a great favor.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:39 PM
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51. ahahaha...ok. Thanks! :) I'll send it at 9:11 tonite!
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:30 PM
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30. Is your mother aware that the current gov't in Iraq is Muslim?
If she's convinced the war was some kind of "christian revolution" in Iraq, she needs to do more research.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201450.html

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:30 PM
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31. My sister used to forward this shit to me...
It took a while, but I finally got it through her head I don't want these damn things because they are full of bullshit. I've gotten ones about some little innocent girl praying in school, helping the troops, evolution and more crap that clogs up my in-box.

I've shown her they are full of lies without an ounce of truth to them. Her response: Well, I like it. :wtf: I told her liking it is fine, but it's still a lie.

She quit disclosing the other recipients because one time I went off and emailed every one of them (her included) and dismantled the lies in them.

After a heated discussion over this she has finally quit sending them. They are offensive plus the 'chain' crap is nothing but superstitious bullshit.

I hate these things.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:33 PM
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32. The one I really like
is the one where a girl sees a potential rapists as she's walking through a drak alley, but she PRAYS until she gets to the street. The next day, she finds out another girl was raped near that alley shortly after.

Guess that girl didn't pray - or at least not hard enough.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:22 PM
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48. i have a dear friend who sent me all kinds of crap from Pat Boone!!
good golly miss molly ...i almost went off my rocker.,i sent her back pictures of dead babies in iraq..and dead women in iraq..and stories about the white phospohorus we used on the people of falluja and dogs eating the carcases of dead women and children left in the streets with their skin melted off.....and i asked her to email them to pat fucking boone..and tell him to write a song about those innocent lives that were snuffed out...by her nazi murdering president..

i never heard from her again!

Pat freaking boone..can you imagine????????geez he was my mothers era..and i am in my 50's...geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..they are desparate when they are sending out pat freaking boone!!

fly
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:33 PM
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33. Get her back on the meds !!!!!!!!!!!
Just calm down and tell her nicely not to send that crap.

Don't get mad at your mom.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:37 PM
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34. Debunked by SNOPES.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 03:41 PM by Midlodemocrat
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:44 PM
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37. See post #16 for links to a comprehensive debunking of the whole list. n/t
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:47 PM
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38. I saw that, but I am not familiar with that site.
Thanks!
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:40 PM
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36. "No other nation, except Israel, has more histroy and prophesy
associated {with} it than Iraq." Surely they are limiting the history and prophesy to that in the Bible because there are many civilizations that more history and writings outside the Bible. It's just that the Judeo-Christian folks refuse to read anyone else's history.
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:52 PM
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40. My Mom sent that to me
last year. I was lucky, though ... she just wrote: "Will you check this out and see if it's real?" Replied with the snopes thing in about two seconds.

It's hard to explain with words how much that level of ignorance gets me all :mad:
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:07 PM
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45. At least she asked you to "see if it's real". It sounds like she wasn't
totally sure it was so at least there's still some hope. :)

BTW - welcome to DU :hi:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:55 PM
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41. So lets go bomb the shit out of it !!
What a bunch of idiots . The fact that they respond to these chain mails alone tells me somethings missing upstairs. (no offense to yer Mom btw)
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:06 PM
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44. I always delete any email that says "if you delete this email ..."
guaranteed
gone
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:07 PM
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46. hehe. Yep, me too.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:12 PM
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47. as soon as I read that!! I mean that instant!
I'll read, or at least scan the material, but when someone threatens me if I don't send their horseshit on?! that's an automatic delete!!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:31 AM
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54. LOL!
That's a good policy.
The Professor
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:31 AM
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55. Again With The Multiposts
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 10:31 AM by ProfessorGAC
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:31 AM
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56. Multipost
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 10:32 AM by ProfessorGAC
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:28 PM
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49. So does your mom value her allegiance to the shrub more than to you?
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:25 AM
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53. Here's the email I sent
I just wanted to let everyone involved in my chain that the statements made in the Fearsome Eagle chain letter has been proven to be false.

First of all, Iraq did not attack us on 9-11, nor did Saddam help finance Osama Bin Laden. I wish we had caught Osama and publicly executed him.

Also, the Koran chapter 9 verse 11 reads:
"But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know. "

You can read the Koran here: http://tinyurl.com/48ypu

I strongly urge everyone to fact check the chain emails you receive.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Revelation 13:14
Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

Revelation 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

No it wasn't - or if by some strange coincidence it was, there is no way of proving it. A careful study of the Bible will show that nowhere is the location identified. Yes, the Bible does state that two of the rivers flowing out of Eden were the Tigris and Euphrates, but using that to justify this claim is like saying that the capital of the British Empire really was located in Connecticut because there is a Thames River there, or that ancient Germans actually lived in North America because there is a Rhine River in Wisconsin. The location of the Garden of Eden is not known because the Noahic Flood completely reshaped the entire earth.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

Not true. Mesopotamia was the cradle of a civilization: the one that developed into the Babylonian and Assyrian Empires. But there were at least five other "cradles of civilization" as historians define them: Egypt, India, China, Central America, and the Northwest Coast of North America. Most likely, the children and grandchildren of Noah descended from Mount Ararat in all directions, both to the south into Mesopotamia as well as west into what is today Turkey, north into Armenia and the Caucasus, and east into what is today Iraq. However, the earliest cities in Mesopotamia were in Northern Mesopotamia, south of Lake Van on the piedmont of the "Mountains called Ararat" - in modern Turkey and Syria, not in Iraq.

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

Not true. Nowhere in the Bible does it state where Noah lived or constructed the Ark. Geography was completely different before the flood, as can be seen in attempts by scientists to recreate ancient continents. Even if geography were exactly the same pre-Flood as post-Flood, it is highly unlikely that Noah would have built the Ark in Iraq or any place like Iraq, for several reasons. First, there are no significant sources of the timber necessary within hundreds of miles. Second, the terrain is too flat and the soil conditions and water levels too poor to support construction scaffolding for a ship of that size.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

Probably true - most scholars equate Babel with Babylon.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

True, Ur was in what is today southern Iraq.

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

Not true: Nahor was a person (Abraham's brother, and son of Terah) who lived in a town of the same name, Nahor, located (Genesis 24:10) in Aram-naharaim, or "Syria of the Two Rivers", and was located in modern Syria, not in Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

Not true: Jacob met Rachel (Genesis 29:4) outside the city of Haran, which is located in what was the Paddam-Aram, and which is today part of Modern Syria. Depending on the time of year the flocks may have been grazing in the mountains to the north of Haran, which might place their meeting place in modern Turkey.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

Yes, Nineveh was in what is modern Iraq. At the time it was Asshur or Assyria, a completely different nation that included parts of modern Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. But it is actually in that part of Iraq known more properly as part of Kurdistan, a separate people and nation from the rest of Iraq. Nineveh, like Ur and Babylon, is long abandoned, but the Assyrian people still exist in the 21st century. However, their major city is no longer Nineveh, Asshur, or Mosul (not far from ancient Nineveh) - the largest Assyrian population in a city today is Chicago, Illinois.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

Not true: part of Assyria was in Iraq, but most of it was in modern Turkey and Iran, and a small part was in modern Syria. Yes, it was in "Mesopotamia" like Haran and Nahor, but northern Mesopotamia.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

Not true. Amos was from Tekoa, a city, town, or fort just twelve miles south of Jerusalem (not far from Bethlehem) and his book states that he preached in Ashdod (on the Mediterranean coast) and Egypt, and in the Northern Kingdom (of Israel) in modern-day Samaria and possibly Galilee, but there is no evidence that he preached in modern Iraq.

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem .

This is true. The city of Babylon, capital of the Babylonian Empire, was in modern Iraq.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

This is probably not true. Although Daniel did serve under Babylonian kings, it was King (or Shah) Darius (of the Medes and Persians) who threw Daniel into the lion's den. The Persian Empire in Darius's time had three capitals, Cunaxa (near Babylon), Susa, and Persepolis. At the time Persepolis was the major capital (administrative capital), and since Daniel was one of the three High Commissioners which Darius appointed over the 120 governors or satraps, he was probably in Persepolis. However, both Persepolis and Susa are in modern Iran (Iran, by the way, is simply the modern name of Persia and does trace its history continuously to well before the time of Daniel).

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace)!

Probably true. The exact extent of the Plain of Dura and the Province of Babylon as it existed at the time of Daniel is not known, but most likely was in modern Iraq.

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

Probably true. Although the exact location of the feast is not stated in the Book of Daniel, most likely it was in Babylon itself, the very night that Darius conquered the city and Babylonian Empire.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

Partially true. Although many Jews were taken directly to Babylon (presumably the city and its province), the normal practice of forced relocation was to break up the population of the captive nation and scatter them over a wide area. We know that some Jews were taken to communities in modern Persia and Turkey. Also, many Jews escaped to Egypt and may have escaped to Cyrus, Crete, and modern Turkey.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

Probably true. Ezekiel was taken to Babylon five years before he began his twenty-two year preaching career, and no doubt spent much of it in Babylon.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

Probably not true. The wise men were "from the east" but most scholars believe that they were Zoastrian or Jewish scholars from Persia, not "Mesopotamia" which was a borderland between the Persian and Romano-Syrian Empires at the time, and therefore not necessarily a good place to run a university. So they were probably from what is modern Iran, or possibly Armenia (today divided into three parts in Turkey, Iran, and modern Armenia (which was the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic for many years).

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

Maybe. Many scholars believe "Babylon" in I Peter 5:13 is a code word for Rome itself, while others believe it is a city in Egypt. Tradition states that Peter and several other apostles did preach in Babylon and other places in Mesopotamia, which had a large Jewish population and which had a very large "Christian" population for at least six centuries (until the Arab conquest in the mid 600's). Tradition also states that Peter preached and was crucified upside-down in Rome, and many people have tried to reconcile the two opposing traditions. But Scripture does not state that Peter preached in Babylon or anywhere else in what is today Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

Not literally true. Without getting into a lengthy discussion of prophecy and symbolism in Revelation, Babylon almost certainly was a code-word (as many believe it is in I Peter) for either Rome or a future empire highly unlikely to be based in the real Babylon or any successor city such as Baghdad. Babylon was such a good code word because while it was a real city at the time, it was a symbol of the ruler and nation which had destroyed the first Temple and led the people of Judea into captivity (Babylonian Captivity) in the first Diaspora. (By the way, the term "Empire of Man" is not found in the book of Revelation in any of the twenty-five English versions available to be checked.)

20. And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq ! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia.

Not true. While Babylon is the second most mentioned city in the Bible, after Jerusalem, the country of Babylon or Babylonia and all the other names mentioned take a distant back seat to Egypt, which is mentioned 669 times (in the New American Standard Bible). All uses of Babylon or Babylonia, whether referring to the city or the country, are only 273; there are only 7 uses of the word "Mesopotamia" and just 8 for "Shinar." And Babylon (city and nation) were destroyed and forgotten centuries before Iraq was even conceived of.

21. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Not true. Although the exact meaning of the word "al-Iraq" is disputed, it is agreed that it most likely means "near a river" or "origin" or "source." What is known is that the name was assigned by British colonial bureaucrats.

22. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

Not true. Modern Iraq did not even exist until 1919, when, at the end of World War I, the League of Nations granted the area to the United Kingdom (Great Britain) as a mandate (a kind of supervised colony or trust territory). It was formed out of three former regions or "vilayets" of the Ottoman Empire: Mosul (north), Baghdad (central), and Basra (south). The name Al-Iraq previously applied only to the southern region of the Basra vilayet, before the British applied it to the entire area. The three regions had been part of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire for more than 600 years. Before the Ottomans, the central part of modern Iraq (Baghdad Region) had been the seat of the various caliphates' imperial city, Baghdad. It was actually the third capital of the Islamic empires (caliphates): since the founding of Islam and its explosion out of Arabia in 632 (when the capital had been Mecca), the successors of Mohammed (the caliphs) first moved the capital to Damascus and then in 762, founded the city of Baghdad on the site of a former Persian city. Ironically, the architects of the city which would be the capital of the Arab-Islamic empire (The Umayyad Dynasty of Caliphs) for five centuries, were a Zorastrian Persian and a Jew, appointed by the Caliph Al-Mansur. Most of the original "Mesopotamian" inhabitants of the area were displaced or wiped out by the conquering Arabs; remnants fled into the mountains and merged into the Kurds, the Persians, and the Armenians, or to the swamps at the top of the Persian Gulf where they eventually formed a mixed race known today as "Marsh Arabs." The various Ottoman regions (vilayet) were based almost entirely on topography and did not try to divide the land on historic or ethnic grounds: the Brits in turn lumped the three regions into a "nation" and appointed a distant Arab chieftain as King. In 1932, the Brits gave Iraq independence, but remained powerful in the country until the end of World War II. The monarchy was overthrown by Baathists in 1957, and the country was ruled by a series of Baathist military dictators until 2003. Today's Iraq, while mostly Arab, has virtually no connection with historical nations before the Twentieth Century. It is a mishmash of peoples, including large numbers of Kurds and Persians, the Marsh Arabs, Armenians, and various groups brought originally to the area as slaves or guest workers. Its dominant culture is Arabic and Islamic, and there is no continuity between it and ancient civilizations, unlike Israel, Egypt, or even Lebanon.

23. No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

Obviously, as the first twenty-two points show, this is not true. There is no prophetic reason why Iraq must be kept united or kept from conquering the world, there is no imperative to protect, rescue, or occupy the country other than in geopolitical terms of the world war between Islam and the rest of us, the major sea of petroleum under it, and the longing for freedom and liberty that all people share.

Well, if you've read this far, I would recommend following the teachings of Christ.

Matthew 5: 3-12
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall possess the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:38 AM
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57. Did she send this to a bunch of people in the e-mail? If so, you should
reply to all with the real verse and a link to the Snopes page.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:42 AM
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58. Sura 9-11 is about Tithing for the poor and praying daily.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:44 AM
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59. SEND THIS LINK>>>IT IS MUST SEE>>>NO BRAVERY
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:50 AM
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61. I got this same email from my RW Sister
I sent her the snopes debunking and she took me off her email list. :D
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:53 AM
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62. Some of theses things are true, some aren't. The Koran 9:11
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:58 AM
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63. What would your mom do if you responded
"Holy Christ on a crapper"? I came up with this when * was on the TV and I couldn't believe my ears and I meant to scream Holy Christ on a cracker and it came out wrong.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:10 PM
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66. Think I'd hit "reply all" and say,
"this is why the founding fathers decided to keep religion out of government. If you want a new Crusade, go do it your own dime".
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:13 PM
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67. So the war in Iraq is considered a holy war now?
Did I miss a meeting or something?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:27 PM
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68. Reply to All w/ this vid.
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:32 PM
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69. i hate to say this:
hadn't spoken to my father from 1982 until he died in (i think) 1998.

he ignored the beatings & brutality inflicted on me by my mother. he did not deserve contact w/ me.



i think your mother is insane. maybe it's time to walk away.

JUST my opinion, & i certainly don't wish to offend.


jukes
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